Email Archive - Archive 2006 (7414 Messages) (Part 3 of 4)

You (and your computer) are working very hard, Mike! The differences between the averages in the two cases are practically the same. (Logical)? Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: mike_go_uk To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: help (unoriented cross) Hi Rune For comparison (and because I don't orient the cross myself), I also found the distributions for the case of an unoriented cross (4 solved positions): SHTM, unoriented 0: 4 1: 72 2: 812 3: 7144 4: 43040 5: 111500 6: 27492 7: 16 Average: 4.83 HTM, unoriented 0: 4 1: 48 2: 440 3: 3576 4: 21492 5: 74660 6: 81780 7: 8064 8: 16 Average: 5.36 Mike SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Why don't you come to take it yourself Stefan? Are you afraid of Greece? Konstantinos Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <ephem825@...> wrote: > > Hey all, > > If anyone cares, I will be gone for the next 3 weeks. My wife Christy > and I are taking our belated honeymoon to Greece.. I very long > overdue vacation in my eyes... Plus a little business to tend to in > Athens... > > Take care everyone, > > Frank Hey Frank, will you please bring 6x6 cubes for all of us? :-) Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > You (and your computer) are working very hard, Mike! It was only a few minutes' extra "work" (and a few seconds' CPU time) to get them. I haven't really thought about the results yet. Mike

Nah, why should I be afraid? Maybe your famous early philosophers and mathematicians distort my picture of today's Greece but I thought it's a quite peaceful and safe country :-). I was just kidding cause Frank said he'll do a little business over there and he's into large cubes (doesn't he even have a 6x6 of you already?). Don't have enough money to visit Greece or buy one of your prototypes, I'm just hoping your regular production and sales will start soon so I can finally blindsolve the thing. Any new estimations about when they'll be ready? Does Meffert's announcement have something to do with your cubes? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, KOSTAS VERDES <verdk2003@...> wrote: > > Why don't you come to take it yourself Stefan? > Are you afraid of Greece? > > Konstantinos > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <ephem825@> > wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > If anyone cares, I will be gone for the next 3 weeks. My wife > Christy > > and I are taking our belated honeymoon to Greece.. I very long > > overdue vacation in my eyes... Plus a little business to tend to in > > Athens... > > > > Take care everyone, > > > > Frank > > > Hey Frank, > > will you please bring 6x6 cubes for all of us? :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

We are organizing an auction/dinner for a local school in Medina, Ohio. The theme is "The 80's". We thought it would be alot of fun to have a speed cuber at the event to solve the cube for people attending. We are located 30 miles south of Cleveland, Ohio. The event is Friday, May 19, 2006 in Medina, Ohio located on Route 3 south off of Rt 71. If you have further questions or are willing to help please send me an email to gwilson@mradvertising.com

Hi cubers! I recently got myself a 4x4x4 cube and now I'm trying to find a way to solve it. I'm not trying to use the usual centers - edges 3x3x3 method so I'm intrested in how many moves you guys uses on average. If I know that, then I also will know if my approach is good or bad. // Kenneth

So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US Nationals 2006: http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all the information for everything. I'm still working on competitor discounts for museum admission. We'll update that information on the website as it develops. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

Watch Jeopardy tonight. What is "Caltech". The question was something about Leyan and what school he went to. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

Can someone tape jeopardy tonight and then hopefully put the clip online? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

If I had a dollar for every 2.55 I got today, I would have $5. :( One of them was on video though. I will hopefully be competition for you soon. Here is an average I took today: 2.76 3.04 2.84 2.81 2.81 3.10 2.95 3.17 3.15 (3.42) (2.72) 2.74 => 2.94 At least I didn't get slower by not practicing. :) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > Here is how i do it: > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html> > > greets Alexander > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > Broke the single MM UWR of 2.53 from BOB burton. > > I set it today on 2.49 > > > > Here is the Vid > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv> > > > > Greets > > Alexander Ooms > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Is this with stefan+mod method or my new method ? nice job by the way :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > If I had a dollar for every 2.55 I got today, I would have $5. :( One > of them was on video though. I will hopefully be competition for you > soon. > > Here is an average I took today: > 2.76 3.04 2.84 2.81 2.81 3.10 2.95 3.17 3.15 (3.42) (2.72) 2.74 => 2.94 > > At least I didn't get slower by not practicing. :) > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > Here is how i do it: > > > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html> > > > > greets Alexander > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Broke the single MM UWR of 2.53 from BOB burton. > > > I set it today on 2.49 > > > > > > Here is the Vid > > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv > > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv> > > > > > > Greets > > > Alexander Ooms > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Belgian Open 2006 brought some new world records. Does anyone have these on video? Thanks. Ron van Bruchem 5x5x5 1:47.22 Lars Vandenbergh Square-1 25.04 -Chris

Mayby I don´t fully understand the term "unoriented cross". However - and if I understand correctly - there exist those "colour neutral" ones (Chris H e.g.?), who does the easiest cross and at the end relates it to the middle. In that case a possible slice move is very frequent and the difference between averages in HTM and STM ought to be about one move. Or? Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: mike_go_uk To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: help (unoriented cross) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > You (and your computer) are working very hard, Mike! It was only a few minutes' extra "work" (and a few seconds' CPU time) to get them. I haven't really thought about the results yet. Mike SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Kenneth :-) I did some counting in the past and i was around 150-160 moves on avg as far as i can recall it. The problem with counting is that u are tempted to do clever moves and now ur normal routine. But i was counting while solving reasonably fast so it shouldn't be very biased. I seem to recall that Chris Hardwick did some counting in the past too and had about 125-130 moves or so on average. I compensate for my high number of moves with a higher turn rate. I have much easier recognition with my cage method than with pairing- up edges. So don't be focused solely on number of moves though it's an ok measure for what speed u are likely to achieve :-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <solkoll@...> wrote: > > Hi cubers! > > I recently got myself a 4x4x4 cube and now I'm trying to find a way to > solve it. I'm not trying to use the usual centers - edges 3x3x3 method > so I'm intrested in how many moves you guys uses on average. If I know > that, then I also will know if my approach is good or bad. > > // Kenneth >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > the term "unoriented cross". For a cross on the D face, I simply mean that one further D move may be needed to get the RFLB colours of the cross to line up with their respective centres. I use "working corner", so the cross orientation is unimportant to me. > <versus> the easiest cross That's a more interesting (and harder) problem. I'll think about it, but I suspect that the calculation would take a lot of computer time. Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Is this with stefan+mod method or my new method ? > > nice job by the way :) > Alexander, your second transform looks unhealth for the MM. :\ -Tim

I'm confused about "orient" and "orientate" and "orientation." If I give an orientation, am I orientating or orienting? You are doing either, for orient and orientate have the same meaning in non-technical senses. These two verbs, drawn from the same base (French orienter 'to place facing the east', originally used of the placement of churches) have developed the same extended sense 'to familiarize with or adjust to new surroundings or circumstances'. The shorter form arose in the eighteenth century, the longer in the nineteenth. Orientate is sometimes criticized, but it is fully standard and has been used by a variety of major authors, including W.H. Auden, Margret Mead, Tennessee Williams, and Aldous Huxley. It is probably more common in England, while orient seems to be the preferred form in the United States. Robert Burchfield, for many years the Chief Editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, has written that "I have decided to use the shorter form myself in all contexts, but the saving is not great. And one can have no fundamental quarrel with anyone who decides to use the longer of the two words." ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2x2 cube method --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > Step 1: Orientate one side. Any color. Intuitive. > Step 2: Orientate the opposite side. 7 algs. Not addressed to you in particular, I've just seen this too many times from too many people now: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000245.htm Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

NO STOP PLEASE :((((( --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > I'm confused about "orient" and "orientate" and "orientation." If I give an orientation, am I orientating or orienting? > You are doing either, for orient and orientate have the same meaning in non-technical senses. > > These two verbs, drawn from the same base (French orienter 'to place facing the east', originally used of the placement of churches) have developed the same extended sense 'to familiarize with or adjust to new surroundings or circumstances'. The shorter form arose in the eighteenth century, the longer in the nineteenth. Orientate is sometimes criticized, but it is fully standard and has been used by a variety of major authors, including W.H. Auden, Margret Mead, Tennessee Williams, and Aldous Huxley. It is probably more common in England, while orient seems to be the preferred form in the United States. > > Robert Burchfield, for many years the Chief Editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, has written that "I have decided to use the shorter form myself in all contexts, but the saving is not great. And one can have no fundamental quarrel with anyone who decides to use the longer of the two words." > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Pochmann > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:49 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2x2 cube method > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" > <gunkr520@> wrote: > > > > Step 1: Orientate one side. Any color. Intuitive. > > Step 2: Orientate the opposite side. 7 algs. > > Not addressed to you in particular, I've just seen this too many times > from too many people now: > http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000245.htm > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle > Word puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I have a delete option. Haven´t you? ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Sun To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2x2 cube method NO STOP PLEASE :((((( SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----- From: mike_go_uk To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: help (unoriented cross) <versus> the easiest cross That's a more interesting (and harder) problem. I'll think about it, but I suspect that the calculation would take a lot of computer time. Mike Yes, that must be a tuff job. The choice of "the easiest cross" is a capricious, human choice, not so easy (impossible?) to define in a program. Don´t overstrain yorself! Rune SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Since I'm not an expert in the matter, I probably ask stupid questions but what is in fact the great deal about these DIY cubes. I heard they are really fast but I don't know wether this is true or not. Can someone explain me the difference in cubing experience between a DIY and a regular cube. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

See message 26318. The big deal is that you can tune them, and the new parts available this year are better than ever. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tobias Daneels <cubewizzard@...> wrote: > > Since I'm not an expert in the matter, I probably ask stupid questions but what is in fact the great deal about these DIY cubes. I heard they are really fast but I don't know wether this is true or not. Can someone explain me the difference in cubing experience between a DIY and a regular cube. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

This is the first time I've ever counted moves on the 4x4x4. Here's my running total for each step: centers - 29 2 pairs - 39 2 pairs - 50 2 pairs - 59 2 pairs - 72 2 pairs - 83 2 pairs - 95 cross - 101 F2L 1 - 108 F2L 2 - 112 F2L 3 - 119 F2L 4 - 127 OLL corners - 135 OLL edges - 144 OLL parity - 159 PLL (AUF + G) - 172 Yeah... my times reflect that high count, too! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi Kenneth :-) > > I did some counting in the past and i was around 150-160 moves on > avg as far as i can recall it. The problem with counting is that u > are tempted to do clever moves and now ur normal routine. But i was > counting while solving reasonably fast so it shouldn't be very > biased. I seem to recall that Chris Hardwick did some counting in > the past too and had about 125-130 moves or so on average. > > I compensate for my high number of moves with a higher turn rate. I > have much easier recognition with my cage method than with pairing- > up edges. So don't be focused solely on number of moves though it's > an ok measure for what speed u are likely to achieve :-) > > Cheers! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth > Gustavsson" <solkoll@> wrote: > > > > Hi cubers! > > > > I recently got myself a 4x4x4 cube and now I'm trying to find a > way to > > solve it. I'm not trying to use the usual centers - edges 3x3x3 > method > > so I'm intrested in how many moves you guys uses on average. If I > know > > that, then I also will know if my approach is good or bad. > > > > // Kenneth > > >

Its the same transform i do on the magic but only flat on the table. and the other way around thats it :) unhealth then i dont know it works fine for me and fast. but that could be very personal. AO --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Is this with stefan+mod method or my new method ? > > > > nice job by the way :) > > > > Alexander, your second transform looks unhealth for the MM. :\ > > -Tim >

This is using stefan's method still. I couldn't get the video you posted to play with picture--it was only sound. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Is this with stefan+mod method or my new method ? > > nice job by the way :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > <bob@> wrote: > > > > If I had a dollar for every 2.55 I got today, I would have $5. :( > One > > of them was on video though. I will hopefully be competition for > you > > soon. > > > > Here is an average I took today: > > 2.76 3.04 2.84 2.81 2.81 3.10 2.95 3.17 3.15 (3.42) (2.72) 2.74 => > 2.94 > > > > At least I didn't get slower by not practicing. :) > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here is how i do it: > > > > > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html > > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html> > > > > > > greets Alexander > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 > <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Broke the single MM UWR of 2.53 from BOB burton. > > > > I set it today on 2.49 > > > > > > > > Here is the Vid > > > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv > > > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv> > > > > > > > > Greets > > > > Alexander Ooms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

i guess you need the codec Indeo AO --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > This is using stefan's method still. I couldn't get the video you > posted to play with picture--it was only sound. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Is this with stefan+mod method or my new method ? > > > > nice job by the way :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > > <bob@> wrote: > > > > > > If I had a dollar for every 2.55 I got today, I would have $5. :( > > One > > > of them was on video though. I will hopefully be competition for > > you > > > soon. > > > > > > Here is an average I took today: > > > 2.76 3.04 2.84 2.81 2.81 3.10 2.95 3.17 3.15 (3.42) (2.72) 2.74 => > > 2.94 > > > > > > At least I didn't get slower by not practicing. :) > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is how i do it: > > > > > > > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html > > > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html> > > > > > > > > greets Alexander > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 > > <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Broke the single MM UWR of 2.53 from BOB burton. > > > > > I set it today on 2.49 > > > > > > > > > > Here is the Vid > > > > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv > > > > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv> > > > > > > > > > > Greets > > > > > Alexander Ooms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > The choice of "the easiest cross" is a capricious, human choice, not so easy (impossible?) to define in a program. If "easiest" = "the cross that takes the fewest moves", it is well defined. For choosing between a named pair of crosses (which I think is what Chris does: yellow/white), the number of states involved is only (12!/4!) * 2^8 = 5.1e9 For each of these you'd look up the number of turns needed to solve the 2 crosses, and take the smaller value as being the distance from "solved". Memory requirements are negligible (just the look-up table). Mike

Hi Chris! Well, at least u could save some moves if u knew all the OLL cases so that u reduce that to one single step :-) Actually i believe that a turn rate of about 3 move/sec should be possible somehow with lots of practice on a good cube. Main obstacle here i guess is slow recognition for pairing up edges. A high turnrate is a bit easier on the other steps. Looking for next (2) edges to pair up while working on the current pairing is a good strategy. Generally, better lookahead means higher speed :-) Sometimes it's worth practicing solely on the lookahead and not worry about the time ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > This is the first time I've ever counted moves on the 4x4x4. Here's > my running total for each step: > > centers - 29 > 2 pairs - 39 > 2 pairs - 50 > 2 pairs - 59 > 2 pairs - 72 > 2 pairs - 83 > 2 pairs - 95 > cross - 101 > F2L 1 - 108 > F2L 2 - 112 > F2L 3 - 119 > F2L 4 - 127 > OLL corners - 135 > OLL edges - 144 > OLL parity - 159 > PLL (AUF + G) - 172 > > Yeah... my times reflect that high count, too! > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi Kenneth :-) > > > > I did some counting in the past and i was around 150-160 moves on > > avg as far as i can recall it. The problem with counting is that u > > are tempted to do clever moves and now ur normal routine. But i > was > > counting while solving reasonably fast so it shouldn't be very > > biased. I seem to recall that Chris Hardwick did some counting in > > the past too and had about 125-130 moves or so on average. > > > > I compensate for my high number of moves with a higher turn rate. > I > > have much easier recognition with my cage method than with pairing- > > up edges. So don't be focused solely on number of moves though > it's > > an ok measure for what speed u are likely to achieve :-) > > > > Cheers! > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth > > Gustavsson" <solkoll@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi cubers! > > > > > > I recently got myself a 4x4x4 cube and now I'm trying to find a > > way to > > > solve it. I'm not trying to use the usual centers - edges 3x3x3 > > method > > > so I'm intrested in how many moves you guys uses on average. If > I > > know > > > that, then I also will know if my approach is good or bad. > > > > > > // Kenneth > > > > > >

Hey Mike, Rune, Yes I do always look at yellow and white and choose the best cross of the two. My choice of cross pretty much always follows this line of thinking: 1) If one side has an extended cross solution I will always choose that side. If both sides have an extended cross I choose the one with the fewer moves (or the faster one, if one involves a good finger trick in the middle, even if this one is longer in moves). 2) If I don't see an extended cross for either side, I choose the side with the least number of flipped edges. A flipped edge is defined as an edge that requires at a minimum two moves to be placed onto the cross face correctly oriented. 3) If both sides have an equal (or roughly equal) number of flipped edges, I choose the side that has the highest number of cross pieces already placed correctly oriented on the cross face (even if they are not in the correct positions in relation to eachother). If both sides have some number of flipped edges, and neither side has any correctly oriented cross pieces on the cross face, I would always choose the side with the fewer number of flipped edges. If both have the same number of flipped edges at this point I try to get a feel for which cross is faster or easier, or will have a corner or an edge both from the same pair end up in the U layer (I do cross on bottom). That's pretty much it. I mean you can intuit this during inspection as a cross just feels "easier" then the other. But if I had to describe to a computer program what I look for, those steps are what I would say. Maybe do a search on each cross that is maximum 8-9 moves deep to look for an extended cross. If that fails on both sides count the flipped edges. If one side has 2 or more flipped edges than the other side choose the side with the fewest number of flipped edges. If both sides are equal, or if one side only has 1 more flipped edge than the other, then look into the number of correctly oriented cross edges on the cross face to help with that decision. If that number is equal choose the side with the fewest flipped edges. If THAT number is also equal then choose the side with the shorter cross solution. If THAT numbe is still equal choose the side that uses the msot parallel layer turns. So stuff like R' L U F2 B2 would be better than B2 R' U L F2 because the other move uses parallel layer turns rather than alternating on all axes. You could do this on computer by using the cross with the shortest STM count. Just my two cents, Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > The choice of "the easiest cross" is a capricious, human choice, not > so easy (impossible?) to define in a program. > > If "easiest" = "the cross that takes the fewest moves", it is well > defined. For choosing between a named pair of crosses (which I think > is what Chris does: yellow/white), the number of states involved is only > > (12!/4!) * 2^8 = 5.1e9 > > For each of these you'd look up the number of turns needed to solve the > 2 crosses, and take the smaller value as being the distance > from "solved". Memory requirements are negligible (just the look- up > table). > > Mike >

For each of these you'd look up the number of turns needed to solve the 2 crosses, and take the smaller value as being the distance from "solved". Memory requirements are negligible (just the look-up table). Mike And the problem would be principally the same, if you analyse six sides (instead of two)? SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > And the problem would be principally the same, if you analyse six sides (instead of two)? Yes, though it would take a lot longer. There are approximately 9.8e11 states. Admittedly, you could reduce that by a factor of nearly 48 (for symmetry)... ChrisH: Thanks for expanding on your method -- I think I'd just have to go by the STM distance, as you suggest. Different people will probably have different heuristics for deciding which cross to do. ;) Mike

Maybe you should specifically ask this question to Alexander Ooms... His family came with him to the Belgian Open, and they had a video recorder. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > Belgian Open 2006 brought some new world records. Does anyone have > these on video? Thanks. > > Ron van Bruchem 5x5x5 1:47.22 > Lars Vandenbergh Square-1 25.04 > > -Chris >

What are the implications of a broken corner piece on a rubiks professor cube? The pieces is basically broken in half, such that the fat part at the end of the piece is no longer attached to the rest of the piece. The cube seems to turn fine in all directions regardless... so does it matter? (and yes, I am aware that single piece replacements are for sale.. I just dont want to buy any :)) David --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, as long as the inside piece remains inside the cube, you won't have any problem because it keeps all the other pieces aligned and they do not have free place to move around. Si if you intend to keep it good, I suggest you to leave the inside piece inside the cube. However I recommend you not to remain in this situation because I don't think that that cube will be allowed to be used in a competition. ;-) Gilles. 2006/5/11, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...>: > > What are the implications of a broken corner piece on a rubiks professor > cube? The pieces is basically broken in half, such that the fat part at the > end of the piece is no longer attached to the rest of the piece. > > The cube seems to turn fine in all directions regardless... so does it > matter? > > (and yes, I am aware that single piece replacements are for sale.. I > just dont want to buy any :)) > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

anyone have instructions for the 4x4x4? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi Chris! > > Well, at least u could save some moves if u knew all the OLL cases > so that u reduce that to one single step :-) > > Actually i believe that a turn rate of about 3 move/sec should be > possible somehow with lots of practice on a good cube. Main obstacle > here i guess is slow recognition for pairing up edges. A high > turnrate is a bit easier on the other steps. Looking for next (2) > edges to pair up while working on the current pairing is a good > strategy. Generally, better lookahead means higher speed :-) > Sometimes it's worth practicing solely on the lookahead and not > worry about the time ;-) > > Cheers! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > This is the first time I've ever counted moves on the 4x4x4. > Here's > > my running total for each step: > > > > centers - 29 > > 2 pairs - 39 > > 2 pairs - 50 > > 2 pairs - 59 > > 2 pairs - 72 > > 2 pairs - 83 > > 2 pairs - 95 > > cross - 101 > > F2L 1 - 108 > > F2L 2 - 112 > > F2L 3 - 119 > > F2L 4 - 127 > > OLL corners - 135 > > OLL edges - 144 > > OLL parity - 159 > > PLL (AUF + G) - 172 > > > > Yeah... my times reflect that high count, too! > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kenneth :-) > > > > > > I did some counting in the past and i was around 150-160 moves > on > > > avg as far as i can recall it. The problem with counting is that > u > > > are tempted to do clever moves and now ur normal routine. But i > > was > > > counting while solving reasonably fast so it shouldn't be very > > > biased. I seem to recall that Chris Hardwick did some counting > in > > > the past too and had about 125-130 moves or so on average. > > > > > > I compensate for my high number of moves with a higher turn > rate. > > I > > > have much easier recognition with my cage method than with > pairing- > > > up edges. So don't be focused solely on number of moves though > > it's > > > an ok measure for what speed u are likely to achieve :-) > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth > > > Gustavsson" <solkoll@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi cubers! > > > > > > > > I recently got myself a 4x4x4 cube and now I'm trying to find > a > > > way to > > > > solve it. I'm not trying to use the usual centers - edges > 3x3x3 > > > method > > > > so I'm intrested in how many moves you guys uses on average. > If > > I > > > know > > > > that, then I also will know if my approach is good or bad. > > > > > > > > // Kenneth > > > > > > > > > >

Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the scrambles for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really matter for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the fairness of each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while Saturday gets "unlucky" scrambles? Discussion? -James Stuber _____ From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Mao Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US Nationals 2006: http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all the information for everything. I'm still working on competitor discounts for museum admission. We'll update that information on the website as it develops. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+g ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw > puzzle game Free <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6 ReWEw> puzzle inlay games Educational <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle Word <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+gam e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> puzzle game Kid <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> puzzle game Puzzle <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5 =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> games _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I actually hadn't thought about it. I think different scrambles are fine. The reason is if you're going to make the finals, you'll definitely make the second round. The only people who it would affect are the people on the borderline of making it into the semifinal round, and those people generally have no chance of placing in the competition so it will not affect the results of the competition. I like to compare everything to running. They have the 100 meter sprint finals in a bunch of heats. But the wind isn't consistent everywhere. In any case, the fastest runners will easily advance in the worst of conditions. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 11, 2006, at 8:25 PM, James Stuber wrote: > Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the > scrambles > for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really > matter > for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the fairness > of > each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while Saturday > gets > "unlucky" scrambles? > > Discussion? > > > > -James Stuber > > > > _____ > > From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Mao > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; > blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 > > > > So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US Nationals > 2006: > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html > > Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all the > information for everything. I'm still working on competitor discounts > for museum admission. We'll update that information on the website as > it develops. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Jigsaw > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam > e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz > zle+g > ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECi > SfUCw >> puzzle game > > Free > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl > e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Wor > d+puz > zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31u > vuXI6 > ReWEw> puzzle inlay games > > Educational > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p > uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4 > =Word > +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4z > Ote4R > 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle > > > Word > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& > w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzl > e+gam > e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9 > QRg> > puzzle game > > Kid > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w > 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle > +game > &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2- > DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> > puzzle game > > Puzzle > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F > ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+ga > me&w5 > =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > games > > > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > subject=Unsubscri > be> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

If people feel strongly about this one way or another, I would like to hear about it though. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 11, 2006, at 9:27 PM, Tyson Mao wrote: > I actually hadn't thought about it. I think different scrambles are > fine. The reason is if you're going to make the finals, you'll > definitely make the second round. The only people who it would affect > are the people on the borderline of making it into the semifinal round, > and those people generally have no chance of placing in the competition > so it will not affect the results of the competition. > > I like to compare everything to running. They have the 100 meter > sprint finals in a bunch of heats. But the wind isn't consistent > everywhere. In any case, the fastest runners will easily advance in > the worst of conditions. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 11, 2006, at 8:25 PM, James Stuber wrote: > >> Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the >> scrambles >> for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really >> matter >> for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the fairness >> of >> each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while Saturday >> gets >> "unlucky" scrambles? >> >> Discussion? >> >> >> >> -James Stuber >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Mao >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM >> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; >> blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; >> caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com >> Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo >> Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 >> >> >> >> So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US >> Nationals >> 2006: >> >> http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html >> >> Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all the >> information for everything. I'm still working on competitor discounts >> for museum admission. We'll update that information on the website as >> it develops. >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> >> >> >> SPONSORED LINKS >> >> >> Jigsaw >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >> t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam >> e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+pu >> z >> zle+g >> ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytEC >> i >> SfUCw >>> puzzle game >> >> Free >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >> t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl >> e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Wo >> r >> d+puz >> zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31 >> u >> vuXI6 >> ReWEw> puzzle inlay games >> >> Educational >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >> t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p >> uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w >> 4 >> =Word >> +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4 >> z >> Ote4R >> 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle >> >> >> Word >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >> t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& >> w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzz >> l >> e+gam >> e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx >> 9 >> QRg> >> puzzle game >> >> Kid >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >> t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w >> 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzl >> e >> +game >> &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2- >> DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> >> puzzle game >> >> Puzzle >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >> t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F >> ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+g >> a >> me&w5 >> =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA >> > >> games >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >> >> >> >> * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the web. >> >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? >> subject=Unsubscri >> be> >> >> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! >> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I don't mind; your reasoning is what I thought would be better as well. -James Stuber _____ From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Mao Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:31 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 If people feel strongly about this one way or another, I would like to hear about it though. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 11, 2006, at 9:27 PM, Tyson Mao wrote: > I actually hadn't thought about it. I think different scrambles are > fine. The reason is if you're going to make the finals, you'll > definitely make the second round. The only people who it would affect > are the people on the borderline of making it into the semifinal round, > and those people generally have no chance of placing in the competition > so it will not affect the results of the competition. > > I like to compare everything to running. They have the 100 meter > sprint finals in a bunch of heats. But the wind isn't consistent > everywhere. In any case, the fastest runners will easily advance in > the worst of conditions. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 11, 2006, at 8:25 PM, James Stuber wrote: > >> Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the >> scrambles >> for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really >> matter >> for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the fairness >> of >> each day. 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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" <jestuber@...> wrote: > > Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the scrambles > for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really matter > for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the fairness of > each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while Saturday gets > "unlucky" scrambles? More importantly, what if Saturday gets incredibly easy scrambles while Friday gets "unlucky" scrambles? Cheers! Stefan

What is the probability to have 5 very easy scrambles (assuming everyone uses the Fridrich Method and that an easy scramble is defined by a "2-move cross") while 5 other scrambles will have very bad crosses (6-move cross let's say). I am curious to know the answer, but I think it will be close to 1/(10^10) or even lower. Gilles. 2006/5/12, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" > <jestuber@...> wrote: > > > > Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the > scrambles > > for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really > matter > > for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the > fairness of > > each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while > Saturday gets > > "unlucky" scrambles? > > > More importantly, what if Saturday gets incredibly easy scrambles > while Friday gets "unlucky" scrambles? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles van den Peereboom To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 What is the probability to have 5 very easy scrambles (assuming everyone uses the Fridrich Method and that an easy scramble is defined by a "2-move cross") while 5 other scrambles will have very bad crosses (6-move cross let's say). Gilles. Is a 6-move cross really that bad? R SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles van den Peereboom To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 What is the probability to have 5 very easy scrambles (assuming everyone uses the Fridrich Method and that an easy scramble is defined by a "2-move cross") while 5 other scrambles will have very bad crosses (6-move cross let's say). Gilles. Is a 6-move cross really that bad? Btw. You can easily calculate the probabilities. For 1-, 2-, 6- and 7-move cross the probabilities are 0.0000789, 0.0008312, 0.511648 and 0.183954 resp. R SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) Unless u intend to tell judges that one of ur corners is broken u won't run into any problem! Even if u do tell it's broken i can't see u getting into trouble with it. Just say it's a modification to make it turn faster. Modified cubes are allowed :-) It must look like the normal cube and have 6 colors and so on. If that is ok then the cube is fine for competitions. If someone seriously thinks a 5x5x5 with broken corner is not allowed then let me know what rule(s) in the regulations say(s) so :D Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Well, as long as the inside piece remains inside the cube, you won't have > any problem because it keeps all the other pieces aligned and they do not > have free place to move around. > > Si if you intend to keep it good, I suggest you to leave the inside piece > inside the cube. > > However I recommend you not to remain in this situation because I don't > think that that cube will be allowed to be used in a competition. ;-) > > Gilles. > > 2006/5/11, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...>: > > > > What are the implications of a broken corner piece on a rubiks professor > > cube? The pieces is basically broken in half, such that the fat part at the > > end of the piece is no longer attached to the rest of the piece. > > > > The cube seems to turn fine in all directions regardless... so does it > > matter? > > > > (and yes, I am aware that single piece replacements are for sale.. I > > just dont want to buy any :)) > > > > David > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

----- Original Message ----- From: Rune Wesström To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles van den Peereboom To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 What is the probability to have 5 very easy scrambles (assuming everyone uses the Fridrich Method and that an easy scramble is defined by a "2-move cross") while 5 other scrambles will have very bad crosses (6-move cross let's say). Gilles. Is a 6-move cross really that bad? Btw. You can easily calculate the probabilities. For 1-, 2-, 6- and 7-move cross the probabilities are 0.0000789, 0.0008312, 0.511648 and 0.183954 resp. Ergo: The probability (two moves or less) (0.0000789+0.0008312)^5=6.24x10^-16 The probability (six moves or more) (0.511648+0.183954)^5=1.62x10^-1 Proportion roughly 4x10^15 (Which relevance does Fridrich have here?). R SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Stefan, Let's say it does happen... is it anyone's fault? No one can predict the scrambles for Friday or Saturday. So right now, at this very moment, the scrambles for Friday and Saturday are both easy and hard. Furthermore, the difficulty of Saturday's scrambles are independent of Friday's scrambles. It would be very unfortunate if Leyan fails to advance to the final round because he competed on Friday instead of Saturday. But I believe it's fair. No one did anything intentionally. Consider the scrambles like the weather. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 12, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" > <jestuber@...> wrote: >> >> Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the > scrambles >> for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really > matter >> for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the > fairness of >> each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while > Saturday gets >> "unlucky" scrambles? > > > More importantly, what if Saturday gets incredibly easy scrambles > while Friday gets "unlucky" scrambles? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

On May 12, 2006, at 1:33, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > More importantly, what if Saturday gets incredibly easy scrambles > while Friday gets "unlucky" scrambles? > > Cheers! > Stefan It seems much more likely and problematic that somebody will memorize the Friday scrambles and cheat on Saturday. It's easily done with a digital camera. - - - - - - - - - - - - "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

Hi, For anyone who is interested in my Square-1 method and the algs I use: http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/ Then click on Speedcubing ==> algs ==> square-1. Michael Fung

Good point, Lars! I will not compete, but I think that different scrambles are not a big problem, if they're all random. Pedro Lars Petrus <lars@...> escreveu: On May 12, 2006, at 1:33, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > More importantly, what if Saturday gets incredibly easy scrambles > while Friday gets "unlucky" scrambles? > > Cheers! > Stefan It seems much more likely and problematic that somebody will memorize the Friday scrambles and cheat on Saturday. It's easily done with a digital camera. - - - - - - - - - - - - "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Even if my scramble started with a completed x-cross, Macky would still beat me. So 43 quintillion = I really don't think it matters. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hey Stefan, > > Let's say it does happen... is it anyone's fault? No one can predict > the scrambles for Friday or Saturday. So right now, at this very > moment, the scrambles for Friday and Saturday are both easy and hard. > Furthermore, the difficulty of Saturday's scrambles are independent of > Friday's scrambles. > > It would be very unfortunate if Leyan fails to advance to the final > round because he competed on Friday instead of Saturday. But I believe > it's fair. No one did anything intentionally. Consider the scrambles > like the weather. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 12, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" > > <jestuber@> wrote: > >> > >> Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the > > scrambles > >> for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really > > matter > >> for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the > > fairness of > >> each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while > > Saturday gets > >> "unlucky" scrambles? > > > > > > More importantly, what if Saturday gets incredibly easy scrambles > > while Friday gets "unlucky" scrambles? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> wrote: > > Hi, > For anyone who is interested in my Square-1 method and the algs I use: > http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/ > > Then click on Speedcubing ==> algs ==> square-1. > > Michael Fung > It's good to me. Thanks. -- http://rubiks.tw/timer/ http://rubiks.tw/timer/index.php?action=ranklist

----- Original Message ----- From: christopher_pelley To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 Even if my scramble started with a completed x-cross, Macky would still beat me. So 43 quintillion = I really don't think it matters. Chris Make it non open and Macky wouldn´t have a chance! R SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm totally fed up with my small eastsheen 4x4x4. All I have done to the cube is lube it, but for some reason it won't stay together. Today I had to take off the center pieces and tighten the cube TWICE because just using it for 20 minutes causes it to get looser (ie the screws loosen up, i guess?). If I don't keep tightening it, it gets so loose that it can't really be used. Just now the cube literally FELL APART and I had to reconstruct the upper half of it and tighten all of the screws. The thing is, though, it doesn't even seem like the amount that the screws loosen is compareable to how loose the cube gets. It seems that the cube gets looser than it should be given the amount that the screws come out. Or maybe I'm wrong about that. Has anyone had any problems like this? I dont even enjoy solving the 4x4 beacuse I have to be constantly fixing it. David --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In case you didn't notice, I was of course joking. By now you could know I believe using the same scrambles is no prerequisite for fairness at all :-) Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hey Stefan, > > Let's say it does happen... is it anyone's fault? No one can predict > the scrambles for Friday or Saturday. So right now, at this very > moment, the scrambles for Friday and Saturday are both easy and hard. > Furthermore, the difficulty of Saturday's scrambles are independent of > Friday's scrambles. > > It would be very unfortunate if Leyan fails to advance to the final > round because he competed on Friday instead of Saturday. But I believe > it's fair. No one did anything intentionally. Consider the scrambles > like the weather. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 12, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" > > <jestuber@> wrote: > >> > >> Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the > > scrambles > >> for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really > > matter > >> for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the > > fairness of > >> each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while > > Saturday gets > >> "unlucky" scrambles? > > > > > > More importantly, what if Saturday gets incredibly easy scrambles > > while Friday gets "unlucky" scrambles? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

to solve the dispute mail me all scrambles for nationals and i will make sure they are equally hard or easy :) ----- Original Message ---- From: Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:48:47 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 In case you didn't notice, I was of course joking. By now you could know I believe using the same scrambles is no prerequisite for fairness at all :-) Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hey Stefan, > > Let's say it does happen... is it anyone's fault? No one can predict > the scrambles for Friday or Saturday. So right now, at this very > moment, the scrambles for Friday and Saturday are both easy and hard. > Furthermore, the difficulty of Saturday's scrambles are independent of > Friday's scrambles. > > It would be very unfortunate if Leyan fails to advance to the final > round because he competed on Friday instead of Saturday. But I believe > it's fair. No one did anything intentionally. Consider the scrambles > like the weather. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 12, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" > > <jestuber@> wrote: > >> > >> Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the > > scrambles > >> for both days going to be the same ones? I realize it doesn't really > > matter > >> for these preliminary rounds, but it's interesting as to the > > fairness of > >> each day. What if Friday gets incredibly easy scrambles while > > Saturday gets > >> "unlucky" scrambles? > > > > > > More importantly, what if Saturday gets incredibly easy scrambles > > while Friday gets "unlucky" scrambles? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If advancement to second round was based on average or mean and if the top 36 out of all results advanced, then I would say you need the same scrambles from Friday to Saturday. However, since advancement is based on single fastest time, then different scrambles seems non-problematic. It also helps avoid the temptation to cheat that Lars mentioned (videotape Friday, analyze, memorize for Saturday). I'm not quite sure the 100-meter analogy holds up. Different solves will have different path lengths depending on how one solves it. If I get a lucky solve, it increases my chance of advancing. However, that can happen in the different Friday scrambles as much as between Friday or Saturday. ("Hey, I got a lucky solve on #2). So, it's more like I only have to run 90 meters in heat #1 versus 100 meters if I had been in heat #2. Yes, wind/heat have an effect in racing but not the 10-20% effect that a lucky solve can have. It's not like I'm advancing to the second round anyway, but it's an interesting question. Quick confirmation: advancement to second round will be top 36 overall from both days (not 36 from each day or 18 from each day)?? yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > If people feel strongly about this one way or another, I would like to > hear about it though. > Tyson Mao > > On May 11, 2006, at 8:25 PM, James Stuber wrote: > > > >> Just a question about the two days for preliminary rounds: are the > >> scrambles > >> for both days going to be the same ones?

Hi :-) I hate it too! Mine is not quite as bad as urs though :-o Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > I'm totally fed up with my small eastsheen 4x4x4. > > All I have done to the cube is lube it, but for some reason it won't stay together. Today I had to take off the center pieces and tighten the cube TWICE because just using it for 20 minutes causes it to get looser (ie the screws loosen up, i guess?). > > If I don't keep tightening it, it gets so loose that it can't really be used. Just now the cube literally FELL APART and I had to reconstruct the upper half of it and tighten all of the screws. > > The thing is, though, it doesn't even seem like the amount that the screws loosen is compareable to how loose the cube gets. It seems that the cube gets looser than it should be given the amount that the screws come out. Or maybe I'm wrong about that. > > Has anyone had any problems like this? I dont even enjoy solving the 4x4 beacuse I have to be constantly fixing it. > > David > > > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Tonight I watched a magic show on CBS at 8 pm EST. One of the tricks involved two rubik's cubes. The magician handed one to a celebrity and the both mixed them up behind their backs and afterwards they were exactly the same. I assume he told the guy the scramble. I was wondering if anyone saw it or if anyone thinks he did it differently. Thanks Andrew P.S He said the rubik's cube had about 43 quintillion combinations (correct) but he then said that that is about 10^8 which is very incorrect.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> wrote: > > Hi, > For anyone who is interested in my Square-1 method and the algs I use: > http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/ > > Then click on Speedcubing ==> algs ==> square-1. > > Michael Fung > Do you know all of these algorithms? -Ben.

Ahhh!! Well at least I'm not the only one who hates it.. does anybody have any ideas for how to make this cube more useable? Has nobody else experienced this degree of "looseness" ? It's horrible. David Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: Hi :-) I hate it too! Mine is not quite as bad as urs though :-o Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > I'm totally fed up with my small eastsheen 4x4x4. > > All I have done to the cube is lube it, but for some reason it won't stay together. Today I had to take off the center pieces and tighten the cube TWICE because just using it for 20 minutes causes it to get looser (ie the screws loosen up, i guess?). > > If I don't keep tightening it, it gets so loose that it can't really be used. Just now the cube literally FELL APART and I had to reconstruct the upper half of it and tighten all of the screws. > > The thing is, though, it doesn't even seem like the amount that the screws loosen is compareable to how loose the cube gets. It seems that the cube gets looser than it should be given the amount that the screws come out. Or maybe I'm wrong about that. > > Has anyone had any problems like this? I dont even enjoy solving the 4x4 beacuse I have to be constantly fixing it. > > David > > > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Happens with my minx all the time. So much that it rusted and broke.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Happens with my minx all the time. So much that it rusted and broke. I don't know a puzzle with that name so I guess you have one of these? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=minx&btnG=Go+Dictionary Cheers! Stefan

is he? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NFYjeJkeis -- Timer: http://rubiks.tw/timer/ Ranklist: http://tinyurl.com/fsgr4 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > Tonight I watched a magic show on CBS at 8 pm EST. One of the tricks > involved two rubik's cubes. The magician handed one to a celebrity and > the both mixed them up behind their backs and afterwards they were > exactly the same. I assume he told the guy the scramble. I was > wondering if anyone saw it or if anyone thinks he did it differently. > > Thanks > Andrew > > > P.S He said the rubik's cube had about 43 quintillion combinations > (correct) but he then said that that is about 10^8 which is very > incorrect. >

Haha Stefan ;-) I guess he means one of following 3 : - megaminx (dodecahedron puzzle) - pyraminx (tetrahedron/pyramid puzzle) - tetraminx (like pyraminx without the corners) LOL .... -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > Happens with my minx all the time. So much that it rusted and broke. > > I don't know a puzzle with that name so I guess you have one of these? > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=minx&btnG=Go+Dictionary > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Hi :-) If by instructions u mean a method of solving it, u better just search using a search engine. Just search rubiks 4x4x4 solution or rubiks revenge solution. U should find plenty :-) A few starters though: - www.bigcubes.com - www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-solution.html Hope this helps ! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "morethanfourlove" <morethanfourlove@...> wrote: > > anyone have instructions for the 4x4x4? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi Chris! > > > > Well, at least u could save some moves if u knew all the OLL cases > > so that u reduce that to one single step :-) > > > > Actually i believe that a turn rate of about 3 move/sec should be > > possible somehow with lots of practice on a good cube. Main > obstacle > > here i guess is slow recognition for pairing up edges. A high > > turnrate is a bit easier on the other steps. Looking for next (2) > > edges to pair up while working on the current pairing is a good > > strategy. Generally, better lookahead means higher speed :-) > > Sometimes it's worth practicing solely on the lookahead and not > > worry about the time ;-) > > > > Cheers! > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > This is the first time I've ever counted moves on the 4x4x4. > > Here's > > > my running total for each step: > > > > > > centers - 29 > > > 2 pairs - 39 > > > 2 pairs - 50 > > > 2 pairs - 59 > > > 2 pairs - 72 > > > 2 pairs - 83 > > > 2 pairs - 95 > > > cross - 101 > > > F2L 1 - 108 > > > F2L 2 - 112 > > > F2L 3 - 119 > > > F2L 4 - 127 > > > OLL corners - 135 > > > OLL edges - 144 > > > OLL parity - 159 > > > PLL (AUF + G) - 172 > > > > > > Yeah... my times reflect that high count, too! > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > > > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Kenneth :-) > > > > > > > > I did some counting in the past and i was around 150-160 moves > > on > > > > avg as far as i can recall it. The problem with counting is > that > > u > > > > are tempted to do clever moves and now ur normal routine. But i > > > was > > > > counting while solving reasonably fast so it shouldn't be very > > > > biased. I seem to recall that Chris Hardwick did some counting > > in > > > > the past too and had about 125-130 moves or so on average. > > > > > > > > I compensate for my high number of moves with a higher turn > > rate. > > > I > > > > have much easier recognition with my cage method than with > > pairing- > > > > up edges. So don't be focused solely on number of moves though > > > it's > > > > an ok measure for what speed u are likely to achieve :-) > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth > > > > Gustavsson" <solkoll@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi cubers! > > > > > > > > > > I recently got myself a 4x4x4 cube and now I'm trying to find > > a > > > > way to > > > > > solve it. I'm not trying to use the usual centers - edges > > 3x3x3 > > > > method > > > > > so I'm intrested in how many moves you guys uses on average. > > If > > > I > > > > know > > > > > that, then I also will know if my approach is good or bad. > > > > > > > > > > // Kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 4x4x4 eastsheen -- I hate it --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Happens with my minx all the time. So much that it rusted and broke. I don't know a puzzle with that name so I guess you have one of these? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=minx&btnG=Go+Dictionary Cheers! Stefan Or maybe those Minx SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Ben, Yes I know all these EP-algorithms, but for some EP-cases I listed two (or more) algs, then I (usually) only know one of this. For the cubeshapes algs: sometimes I just learn the beginposition and then perform the alg I learned, othertimes I do it more on intuition. (Probably I will forget some algs (again), because I don't have the intention to play with my square-1 in the coming weeks :p) Michael Fung --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mmwfung1985" > <mmwfung1985@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > For anyone who is interested in my Square-1 method and the algs I use: > > http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/ > > > > Then click on Speedcubing ==> algs ==> square-1. > > > > Michael Fung > > > > Do you know all of these algorithms? > > -Ben. >

Bleh megaminx. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > Happens with my minx all the time. So much that it rusted and broke. > > I don't know a puzzle with that name so I guess you have one of these? > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=minx&btnG=Go+Dictionary > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cwlin1010" <cubepuzzle@...> wrote: > Nope, the guys name was Keith Barry. And the two cubes were the same before he touched them again. > is he? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NFYjeJkeis > > -- > Timer: http://rubiks.tw/timer/ > Ranklist: http://tinyurl.com/fsgr4 > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > <bballkid2076@> wrote: > > > > Tonight I watched a magic show on CBS at 8 pm EST. One of the tricks > > involved two rubik's cubes. The magician handed one to a celebrity and > > the both mixed them up behind their backs and afterwards they were > > exactly the same. I assume he told the guy the scramble. I was > > wondering if anyone saw it or if anyone thinks he did it differently. > > > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > > > > P.S He said the rubik's cube had about 43 quintillion combinations > > (correct) but he then said that that is about 10^8 which is very > > incorrect. > > >

Quick question: What is the fastest way to fix parity? For example, let's say you know a parity's going to happen at the beginning; what's the shortest algorithm to fix it? -Tim

Hello, I was wondering, for those people who use cubesmith stickers, how quickly does it ship within the US? I plan on getting some for all my puzzles this summer.

I live in Brazil, South America, and my orders arrived in 2 weeks or so... for the US it should be really fast Pedro Timothy Sun <linkpoke@yahoo.com> escreveu: Hello, I was wondering, for those people who use cubesmith stickers, how quickly does it ship within the US? I plan on getting some for all my puzzles this summer. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I suppose it depends on where you are in the US. It took around 4 days I think (California --> Ohio) from the day he told me he sent it. However there was a freak incident once where it took over 2 weeks to ship.. we thought it had gotten lost. I have ordered from him several times though, and usually it's pretty fast. David Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> wrote: Hello, I was wondering, for those people who use cubesmith stickers, how quickly does it ship within the US? I plan on getting some for all my puzzles this summer. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hmm so nobody has any ideas on how to fix my crappy cube? I put a lot of lube in it when I first got it.. I was thinking maybe lube soaked into the screws and the area around the screws, causing them to unscrew with use. You guys think I should take it apart and clean out those areas? David Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 4x4x4 eastsheen -- I hate it --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Happens with my minx all the time. So much that it rusted and broke. I don't know a puzzle with that name so I guess you have one of these? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=minx&btnG=Go+Dictionary Cheers! Stefan Or maybe those Minx SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It has never taken me more than 3 days to receive them in New Jersey. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I was wondering, for those people who use cubesmith stickers, how > quickly does it ship within the US? I plan on getting some for all my > puzzles this summer. >

Hey, Not really the answer to the question, but I live in the Netherlands, and I recieved my orders in about 7-10 days or so... I think that's quite good. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I was wondering, for those people who use cubesmith stickers, how > quickly does it ship within the US? I plan on getting some for all my > puzzles this summer. >

Hi, I guess you don't want to mess up the corners? If yes, then choose one of these below. If no, I don't know. (UF UB)(UL UR) (DF DB) /(3,3)/(0,-3)/(3,3)/(0,-2)/(-2,4)/(2,-4)/(0,-1)/(3,3)/ [9|22] (UF UL)(UB UR) (DL DR) /(3,3)/(3,0)/(-2,-2)/(0,-4)/(-2,4)/(2,-4)/(-1,0)/(-3,-3)/ [9|22] (UF UB) (DF DB)(DL DR) /(-3,-3)/(3,0)/(-3,-3)/(2,0)/(-4,2)/(4,-2)/(1,0)/(-3,-3)/ [9|22] (UL UR) (DF DL)(DB DR) /(-3,-3)/(0,-3)/(2,2)/(4,0)/(-4,2)/(4,-2)/(0,1)/(3,3)/ [9|22] (UL UB UR) (DR DB) /(3,3)/(1,0)/(-2,0)/(-4,0)/(0,-4)/(0,-4)/(0,-2)/(0,5)/(3,3)/ [10|21] (UR UB UL) (DL DB) /(-3,-3)/(0,-5)/(0,2)/(0,4)/(0,4)/(4,0)(2,0)/(-1,0)/(-3,-3)/ [10|21] (UR UB) (DL DB DR) /(-3,-3)/(0,-1)/(0,2)/(0,4)/(4,0)/(4,0)/(2,0)/(-5,0)/(-3,-3)/ [10|21] (UL UB) (DR DB DL) /(3,3)/(5,0)/(-2,0)/(-4,0)/(-4,0)/(0,-4)/(0,-2)/(0,1)/(3,3)/ [10|21] Michael Fung --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Quick question: > > What is the fastest way to fix parity? For example, let's say you know > a parity's going to happen at the beginning; what's the shortest > algorithm to fix it? > > -Tim >

I recently began to put together my new black diy. I put the center piecs on the axel and then realized i forgot the washers. I can't seem to get the center pieces and the screws out of the axel. Any ideas? Thanks Andrew

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > I recently began to put together my new black diy. I put the center > piecs on the axel and then realized i forgot the washers. I can't seem > to get the center pieces and the screws out of the axel. Any ideas? > > Thanks > Andrew > P.S I put washers on 3 of the screws.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > <bballkid2076@> wrote: > > > > I recently began to put together my new black diy. I put the center > > piecs on the axel and then realized i forgot the washers. I can't seem > > to get the center pieces and the screws out of the axel. Any ideas? > > > > Thanks > > Andrew > > > P.S I put washers on 3 of the screws. > P.P.S? Once i take it back apart can someone say how to put it together

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > <bballkid2076@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > > <bballkid2076@> wrote: > > > > > > I recently began to put together my new black diy. I put the center > > > piecs on the axel and then realized i forgot the washers. I can't seem > > > to get the center pieces and the screws out of the axel. Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Andrew > > > > > P.S I put washers on 3 of the screws. > > > > P.P.S? Once i take it back apart can someone say how to put it together > P.P.P.S Nevermind about all the previous posts. My new question is how do i properly work it in

It is usually pretty fast. But here's the way I think of it. He's the best at this, and he has good prices, and he's pretty fast. Honestly, why would you go anywhere else? On 5/13/06, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > Hey, > > Not really the answer to the question, but I live in the Netherlands, > and I recieved my orders in about 7-10 days or so... I think that's > quite good. > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I was wondering, for those people who use cubesmith stickers, how > > quickly does it ship within the US? I plan on getting some for all > my > > puzzles this summer. > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

I received extremely fast. Excellent place to purchase items. Pat --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@...> wrote: > > It is usually pretty fast. But here's the way I think of it. He's the > best at this, and he has good prices, and he's pretty fast. > > Honestly, why would you go anywhere else? > > On 5/13/06, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hey, > > > > Not really the answer to the question, but I live in the Netherlands, > > and I recieved my orders in about 7-10 days or so... I think that's > > quite good. > > > > - Joël. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I was wondering, for those people who use cubesmith stickers, how > > > quickly does it ship within the US? I plan on getting some for all > > my > > > puzzles this summer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -cubekid >

Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html I have tried to make the keyboard bindings closely resemble the way our fingers interact with real cubes. For example, your index fingers are used to trigger U and U'. "Sune" becomes IJKJIJJK. It is also possible to perform two moves simultaneously, provided that they move around the same axis. My best time so far is about 1:28.29 Ryan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@...> wrote: > > It is usually pretty fast. But here's the way I think of it. He's the > best at this, and he has good prices, and he's pretty fast. > > Honestly, why would you go anywhere else? > No idea.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > I have tried to make the keyboard bindings closely resemble the way our > fingers interact with real cubes. For example, your index fingers are > used to trigger U and U'. "Sune" becomes IJKJIJJK. > > It is also possible to perform two moves simultaneously, provided that > they move around the same axis. > > > My best time so far is about 1:28.29 I just tried it out and it is GREAT the best one I have seen yet. > > Ryan >

----- Original Message ----- From: Per Kristen Fredlund To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Speed cubing simulator . There must be some possible workaround to have it work in IE too i guess :-o Still 80% use IE. And 60% of those wouldn't know how to install some other browser ... -Per Me e.g. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Remember the 4D cube? http://www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube5d/ I've read about this for a while now, but not actually seen a working copy. Here you go :) ~Thom

Hi everyone, A brand new FMC, #106, will open at midnight tonight. I am currently working on redesigning my web pages, so currently the FMC page is just the bare bones, there is a challenge, and a link to a submission form which works correctly, when all the data is added into it :) You can access the new competition by clicking on the Fewest Moves Challenge link at www.cubestation.co.uk <http://www.cubestation.co.uk/> , or by accessing it directly via http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/index.php?page=fmc/fmc Good Luck everybody! Deadline is 12pm next Sunday :) Keep on cubing, hope that you enjoy the challenge DanH :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Here is the workaround for IE. Click the applet once, or twice, make sure it has focus. After that all works as it should. The solution to this is a little javascript. Give the applet an id like id="cubeapplet" and add <script type="text/javascript"> window.onload=function(){document.getElementById ('cubeapplet').focus();}; </script> Something like that should do it. Michiel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Per Kristen Fredlund > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:22 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Speed cubing simulator > > > . There must be some > possible workaround to have it work in IE too i guess :-o Still 80% > use IE. And 60% of those wouldn't know how to install some other > browser ... > -Per > > Me e.g. > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle > Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 03:22:53PM -0000, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Well, it works fine in Firefox. In Internet Explorer it doesn't work > at all :-( After scrambling hitting the spacebar the keys do nothing > when i use IE. Can you tell me which version of IE/Java you were using? Thanks, Ryan

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 03:22:53PM -0000, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > There must be some possible workaround to have it work in IE too i > guess I've implemented Michiel's suggestion - does it work for you now? Ryan

I posted my reports from Caltech winter and Rutgers spring. They are available at www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html ~ Bob

Here is the promised video (2.56 seconds) http://www.cubewhiz.com/videos/burtonmastermagic256.wmv (415KB) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > If I had a dollar for every 2.55 I got today, I would have $5. :( One > of them was on video though. I will hopefully be competition for you > soon. > > Here is an average I took today: > 2.76 3.04 2.84 2.81 2.81 3.10 2.95 3.17 3.15 (3.42) (2.72) 2.74 => 2.94 > > At least I didn't get slower by not practicing. :) > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > Here is how i do it: > > > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MMAO.html> > > > > greets Alexander > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Broke the single MM UWR of 2.53 from BOB burton. > > > I set it today on 2.49 > > > > > > Here is the Vid > > > http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv > > > <http://members.chello.nl/~a.ooms4/MM249.wmv> > > > > > > Greets > > > Alexander Ooms > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Are you crazy ? :D I don't that much time right now but during the summer I will definitely work on that one :-) Thanks ! Gilles. 2006/5/14, thomkirjava <snkenjoi@...>: > > Remember the 4D cube? > > http://www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube5d/ > > I've read about this for a while now, but not actually seen a working > copy. > > Here you go :) > > ~Thom > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Excellent! After 10 minutes of practice, it seems very intuitive. My only suggestion would be adding B and B'... perhaps above D and D'. I use the back face quite a bit... especially since I can the back face through your applet. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > I have tried to make the keyboard bindings closely resemble the way our > fingers interact with real cubes. For example, your index fingers are > used to trigger U and U'. "Sune" becomes IJKJIJJK. > > It is also possible to perform two moves simultaneously, provided that > they move around the same axis. > > > My best time so far is about 1:28.29 > > Ryan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > I have tried to make the keyboard bindings closely resemble the way our > fingers interact with real cubes. For example, your index fingers are > used to trigger U and U'. "Sune" becomes IJKJIJJK. > > It is also possible to perform two moves simultaneously, provided that > they move around the same axis. > > > My best time so far is about 1:28.29 > > Ryan Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting better. Could you add a records list? Cheers! Stefan

I like this! I just did a 41.14. How about customizable color schemes? I also agree that B and B' would be useful. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > wrote: > > > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting > better. Could you add a records list? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I posted a message a few weeks ago and I got no response so I thought I would inquire 1 more time. We are looking for a speed cuber for an event on Friday May 19, 2006 near Cleveland Ohio. If you know of someone who speedcubes in our area or are interested yourself email me at gwilson@mradvertising.com. Thank you!

Wonder who's gonna be the first to solve it BLD? :D ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > I like this! I just did a 41.14. > How about customizable color schemes? I also agree that B and B' would > be useful. > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > > > > > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting > > better. Could you add a records list? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

I've been slowly improving over the last year and have brought my average times down from 75 seconds to about 35 seconds. I tend to cube about 4-5 hours a week, which could be why my progress seems so slow to me... I'm curious as to how long it takes others. Also... I'm currently concentrating on getting faster with F2L, but seem to take 25-30 seconds. I tried to visualize as much as I can in my 15 second inspection period, but can only remember 3-4 moves. I use a modified Petrus F2L+PLL method. Any tips on getting faster appreciated. :)

Quite fun. Now I've just got to get used to the controls a bit more. The key has a mistake though. Both "E" and "D" do the move "L'" according to the key, while "D" actually is "L". And add me to the list of people who want B and B' :) Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > I like this! I just did a 41.14. > How about customizable color schemes? I also agree that B and B' would > be useful. > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > > > > > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting > > better. Could you add a records list? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

I just recently ordered and it took about 3 days, I live in ft. wayne, IN (northeast) --- Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > I live in Brazil, South America, and my orders > arrived in 2 weeks or so... > for the US it should be really fast > > Pedro > > Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> escreveu: > Hello, > > I was wondering, for those people who use cubesmith > stickers, how > quickly does it ship within the US? I plan on > getting some for all my > puzzles this summer. > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games > Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game > Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the > web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email > to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espa�o, > alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente > eficaz. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I live in cleveland... I am not very good by the standards here, though.. I average around 45 seconds. Let me know if you'd be interested, and what is this event? David jagwilson7 <gwilson@...> wrote: I posted a message a few weeks ago and I got no response so I thought I would inquire 1 more time. We are looking for a speed cuber for an event on Friday May 19, 2006 near Cleveland Ohio. If you know of someone who speedcubes in our area or are interested yourself email me at gwilson@.... Thank you! SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I remember someone making a post about an alternate way of putting center caps on without super glue. If anyone remembers or finds the old post I would appreciatie it because I am worried that if I glue them on I wont be able to remove them for adjustment Thanks Andrew

On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 02:24:23PM -0000, Matt M. wrote: > My only suggestion would be adding B and B'... perhaps above D and D'. > I use the back face quite a bit... especially since I can the back > face through your applet. I thought long and hard about adding B and B'. My reason for not adding them is that in real life, our hand grip indicates that we really perform these as U and U' after a subtle cube rotation. Admittedly, when I say "we", I mean "I", and perhaps you. RBR' is: NIJK or VJK or VJR. RBR'U is: NIJKTJ or really just VJRJ (this corresponds to what our fingers and thumbs actually do on a real cube). Ryan

On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 08:16:47PM -0000, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting > better. Could you add a records list? An interesting thing is that I would be able to create a records list that recorded exactly how each person performed their record including the timing of every move, like a digital video that only takes 40 bytes. I'm not sure whether people want to be recorded in that way, though. I think it would be nice, because spectators can watch how the best people perform. Ryan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > I stink my best time is 2:45.65. How fast can people here do the sune on the simulator? > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 08:16:47PM -0000, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting > > better. Could you add a records list? > > An interesting thing is that I would be able to create a records list > that recorded exactly how each person performed their record including > the timing of every move, like a digital video that only takes 40 bytes. > > I'm not sure whether people want to be recorded in that way, though. I > think it would be nice, because spectators can watch how the best people > perform. > > Ryan >

1. When you do an average at home, and you get a pop, do you fix the pop and count whatever time you get or do you just do an extra solve? 2. when you're scrambling a 4x4, and you get a lower case letter, like r, do you treat it as r or (Rr)? i always treat it as r but for some reason i think i saw the scramblers at the turnament i went too scrambling it the (Rr) way.

Timed on watch: 1.2sec. I'm no Petrus on simulations yet! :) But I really suck when it comes to F2L. Petrus method is just way too wierd for it. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > wrote: > > > I stink my best time is 2:45.65. How fast can people here do the > sune on the simulator? > > > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 08:16:47PM -0000, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting > > > better. Could you add a records list? > > > > An interesting thing is that I would be able to create a records list > > that recorded exactly how each person performed their record including > > the timing of every move, like a digital video that only takes 40 bytes. > > > > I'm not sure whether people want to be recorded in that way, though. I > > think it would be nice, because spectators can watch how the best people > > perform. > > > > Ryan > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "dwarmaj" <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: > I've been slowly improving over the last year and have brought my > average times down from 75 seconds to about 35 seconds. I tend to cube > about 4-5 hours a week, which could be why my progress seems so slow > to me... For the past 18 months or so I've been cubing for about 5-7 hours per week, so I'm just treating it as a bit of fun. Initial progress was rapid (starting at around 70-75s), but progress has been poor over the past year. On good days I've averaged around 40s, but 43s is typical. In my own case the main problems are "old age" and lack of talent, but also I haven't spent enough time identifying (and working out strategies for) the situations that most often cause trouble. The early progress was due to working quite a lot on those. The more recent, and smaller, progress is due mainly to improved look-ahead during F2L. Mike

----- Original Message ----- From: mike_go_uk To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: How long does it usually take someone to get sub-20? In my own case the main problems are "old age" and lack of talent Mike ???? R ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > In my own case the main problems are "old age" and lack of talent > ???? OK, I should never use old age as an excuse around here. :D Middle age, maybe. By the way, Rune, how many hours do you practise in a typical week? Mike

Hi everybody! I'm a spanish painter based in Milan (Italy). I'm looking for guys able to solve the 3x3 cube in less than 20 seconds. I've painted some rubiks views in big canvases and now I need people that can film themselves for free(only hands)solving the cube to complete my installation. Every volunteer will be mentioned in the show book. If you're interested just e-mail me at radisa23@... Thanks!! Rafael

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mattjs522" <matt100@...> wrote: > 2. when you're scrambling a 4x4, and you get a lower case letter, like > r, do you treat it as r or (Rr)? i always treat it as r but for some > reason i think i saw the scramblers at the turnament i went too > scrambling it the (Rr) way. The standard notation has r representing the r slice only. However, for competition purposes the WCA has changed the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 scrambles to only use double-face turns (no slices). This makes it easier to train people as scramblers and is faster, too. So in that case r represents (Rr) in standard notation. Chris

See message 27689. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > I remember someone making a post about an alternate way of putting > center caps on without super glue. If anyone remembers or finds the > old post I would appreciatie it because I am worried that if I glue > them on I wont be able to remove them for adjustment > > Thanks > Andrew >

Many, 20-25 hours/week and for me all weeks are "typical". I have time for more but it´s meaningless, physically and psychically. I have reached my asymptot: 32 s (home average) and my aim is to stay there. It happens sometimes, two -25 in a row, which gives some hope, but it´s of course only illusions. And I never believed in that nonsens: "Everybody can with practising become a sub20ie". Rune From: mike_go_uk To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: How long does it usually take someone to get sub-20? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > In my own case the main problems are "old age" and lack of talent > ???? OK, I should never use old age as an excuse around here. :D Middle age, maybe. By the way, Rune, how many hours do you practise in a typical week? Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello, I don't have any of my sub20 solves on the computer, but would you be interested in a robot solving it in about 10 seconds? http://www.deepcube.net/videos/deepcube.AVI (warning: it is a rather large file) -Evan Until next time, Happy Cubing http://www.deepcube.net On 5/16/06, painter_daz <radisa23@...> wrote: > > Hi everybody! I'm a spanish painter based in Milan (Italy). I'm > looking for guys able to solve the 3x3 cube in less than 20 seconds. > I've painted some rubiks views in big canvases and now I need people > that can film themselves for free(only hands)solving the cube to > complete my installation. Every volunteer will be mentioned in the > show book. > If you're interested just e-mail me at radisa23@... > > Thanks!! > Rafael > > > > > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 5/16/06, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > The standard notation has r representing the r slice only. However, > for competition purposes the WCA has changed the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 > scrambles to only use double-face turns (no slices). This makes it > easier to train people as scramblers and is faster, too. So in that > case r represents (Rr) in standard notation. > > Chris I've written a scrambler for the 4x4x4 and the 5x5x5, and I can tell you that it makes a difference what "r" means when you are scrambling. If you want to be fair, you need to use the same system when scrambling as was used when the scrambling program was designed. If "r" means two slices to WCA scramblers, we need to make sure that the scrambling program they use is updated to match this notation. Scrambling programs take steps to insure that consecutive turns of parallel slices in the scrambling algorithm do not cancel each other out. As a simple example, lets say that the WCA scrambling program included "R'r" in its output. If the WCA official only made a single slice turn based on this notation, he has effectively decreased the length of the scramble by one turn. Another example (for a 4x4x4) would be "r'l". The WCA scrambling program could generate this sequence because it means to make two slice turns by its notation. For the WCA official, these turns would cancel each other out.

It took me 2 years. -Chris On 5/15/06, dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: > I'm curious as to how long it takes others.

On 5/16/06, David Barr <david20708@...> wrote: > If you want to be fair, you need to use the same system when > scrambling as was used when the scrambling program was designed. If > "r" means two slices to WCA scramblers, we need to make sure that the > scrambling program they use is updated to match this notation. I took another look at the WCA scrambling program. It has a checkbox called "multi". This controls what the notation means when the scrambles are generated. If you are running a tournament, and you are telling your scrambling officials that "r" means multiple slices, make sure that this box is checked when you print out your scrambles for the tournament, otherwise you will run into the problems that I described in my previous post.

It took 2 years 4 months for Bernett Orlando. Chris Hunt <huntca@...> wrote: It took me 2 years. -Chris On 5/15/06, dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: > I'm curious as to how long it takes others. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Why was V. Sehwag warned by the BCCI? Share your knowledge on Yahoo! Answers India Send instant messages to your online friends - NOW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It took about 6 months to get sub-20 Pedro JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@yahoo.co.in> escreveu: It took 2 years 4 months for Bernett Orlando. Chris Hunt <huntca@...> wrote: It took me 2 years. -Chris On 5/15/06, dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: > I'm curious as to how long it takes others. --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Why was V. Sehwag warned by the BCCI? Share your knowledge on Yahoo! Answers India Send instant messages to your online friends - NOW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I guess some are a lot more talented than others, it took me 8 months to be sub-27 :-P (I usually practice 4-5 hours/week) I just noticed that during my one week holidays (I practiced 2-3 hours/day), I drop 2.80 seconds of my average (which is a lot for me in such a short time). My conclusion: "Practice makes better until the point where practice is not enough" (it's dumm, I know). I agree with Rune on this one. Good luck getting sub-20, Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > It took about 6 months to get sub-20 > > Pedro > > JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> escreveu: > It took 2 years 4 months for Bernett Orlando. > > Chris Hunt <huntca@...> wrote: It took me 2 years. > > -Chris > > On 5/15/06, dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: > > I'm curious as to how long it takes others. > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Why was V. Sehwag warned by the BCCI? Share your knowledge on Yahoo! Answers India > Send instant messages to your online friends - NOW > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

6 months (approx.) And I cubed about an hour a night, 2-3 at weekends. I'll be doing a lot more after my exams though, can't really do much cubing right now. ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I guess some are a lot more talented than others, it took me 8 months > to be sub-27 :-P (I usually practice 4-5 hours/week) > > I just noticed that during my one week holidays (I practiced 2-3 > hours/day), I drop 2.80 seconds of my average (which is a lot for me > in such a short time). > > My conclusion: "Practice makes better until the point where practice > is not enough" (it's dumm, I know). I agree with Rune on this one. > > Good luck getting sub-20, > > Sven > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > wrote: > > > > It took about 6 months to get sub-20 > > > > Pedro > > > > JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@> escreveu: > > It took 2 years 4 months for Bernett Orlando. > > > > Chris Hunt <huntca@> wrote: It took me 2 years. > > > > -Chris > > > > On 5/15/06, dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@> wrote: > > > I'm curious as to how long it takes others. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Why was V. Sehwag warned by the BCCI? Share your knowledge on Yahoo! > Answers India > > Send instant messages to your online friends - NOW > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no > celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Hey guys, I recently ran out of cube lube, so I picked up my usual at the hardware store: CRC Heavy Duty Silicone Multi-Use Lubricant. It comes in a red bottle with a black cap. I've used it for 4-5 years now and it's always worked great. However, when I lubed up a cube with it this time it became much much worse than it was before. I checked to make sure I had the right stuff and noticed that label was slightly different. I checked the warnings and sure enough, the NEW CRC multi use lubricant has ACETONE in it! I checked this against my other (older, empty) bottle and it makes no mention of acetone. So not only am I looking for a new spray (reccomendations welcome), but I may be out one decent speed-cube. Just a heads up to you guys on this one! Always check your bottle even if you've used the product before! -Daniel

My recommendation: http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/files/shockoil_928.jpg 100% pure silicone oil As for your cube, if you clean thoroughly, it should be okay. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> wrote: > So not only am I looking for a new spray (reccomendations welcome), > but I may be out one decent speed-cube. Just a heads up to you guys > on this one! Always check your bottle even if you've used the product > before!

I went through all of my saved log files (01/05-05/06) and created a graph of my times. It was pretty interesting to see how fast I got to 45 seconds and then slow the impovement has been since. Cube Times: http://www.serv.net/~kmills/CubeTimes.JPG --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > 6 months (approx.) > > And I cubed about an hour a night, 2-3 at weekends. > > I'll be doing a lot more after my exams though, can't really do much > cubing right now. > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I guess some are a lot more talented than others, it took me 8 months > > to be sub-27 :-P (I usually practice 4-5 hours/week) > > > > I just noticed that during my one week holidays (I practiced 2-3 > > hours/day), I drop 2.80 seconds of my average (which is a lot for me > > in such a short time). > > > > My conclusion: "Practice makes better until the point where practice > > is not enough" (it's dumm, I know). I agree with Rune on this one. > > > > Good luck getting sub-20, > > > > Sven > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > It took about 6 months to get sub-20 > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@> escreveu: > > > It took 2 years 4 months for Bernett Orlando. > > > > > > Chris Hunt <huntca@> wrote: It took me 2 years. > > > > > > -Chris > > > > > > On 5/15/06, dwarmaj <Dwarmaj@> wrote: > > > > I'm curious as to how long it takes others. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Why was V. Sehwag warned by the BCCI? Share your knowledge on Yahoo! > > Answers India > > > Send instant messages to your online friends - NOW > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e- mail no > > celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

It took me 6 months, but it is different per individual I reckon. Best way is to be able to perform alg's very fluent and a bit quick. Find alg's that are good for yourself was very important to me. F2L is indeed the part which is most important, the biggest lesson I ever got for solving F2L was from Ron, he said that I had to try to solve more fluently and only finish a corner-edge pair if you have seen the next. By the way: my training time is 2 hours a day, sometimes more sometimes less. Erik --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "dwarmaj" <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: > > I've been slowly improving over the last year and have brought my > average times down from 75 seconds to about 35 seconds. I tend to cube > about 4-5 hours a week, which could be why my progress seems so slow > to me... > > I'm curious as to how long it takes others. > > Also... > I'm currently concentrating on getting faster with F2L, but seem to > take 25-30 seconds. I tried to visualize as much as I can in my 15 > second inspection period, but can only remember 3-4 moves. I use a > modified Petrus F2L+PLL method. > > Any tips on getting faster appreciated. :) >

> An interesting thing is that I would be able to create a records list > that recorded exactly how each person performed their record including > the timing of every move, like a digital video that only takes 40 bytes. > > I'm not sure whether people want to be recorded in that way, though. I > think it would be nice, because spectators can watch how the best people > perform. > > Ryan > I wouldn't mind being recorded at all. I like this too much. I just got a 15.68. http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/pictures/1568.JPG =), Macky

Hey everyone, I was just browsing the official world records list and thought these two were really cool. The oldest world record now is Kenneth Brandon on the Siamese cube at 70.96 seconds from the 2003 World Championships 2003. The next oldest record is Lars Vandenbergh's Square-1 mean of 3 of 33.21 from the 2004 Dutch Open. I just thought it was cool to see how those two records had endured for so long, seeing as how all the other ones are much more recent. I know people are still very active in the Square-1 but does anyone practice the Siamese cube still? Have many people since the 2003 World Competition even attempted the Siamese cube in competition? Just wanted to make the observation. Chris

The mean of 3 in Square-1 was improved in the German Open 2006 : 32.01, by Lars Vandenbergh of course. As for the siamese cube, I don't think there was another competition with that event. Gilles 2006/5/17, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > Hey everyone, > > I was just browsing the official world records list and thought these > two were really cool. > > The oldest world record now is Kenneth Brandon on the Siamese cube at > 70.96 seconds from the 2003 World Championships 2003. The next oldest > record is Lars Vandenbergh's Square-1 mean of 3 of 33.21 from the 2004 > Dutch Open. > > I just thought it was cool to see how those two records had endured > for so long, seeing as how all the other ones are much more recent. > > I know people are still very active in the Square-1 but does anyone > practice the Siamese cube still? Have many people since the 2003 > World Competition even attempted the Siamese cube in competition? > > Just wanted to make the observation. > > Chris > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----- From: christopher_pelley To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Silicone spray heads up My recommendation: http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/files/shockoil_928.jpg 100% pure silicone oil Chris Can you see if anything is said about the viscosity there? R SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Hi Macky :-) That's a real crazy time. I could barely hit that time if i was given the scramble on the screen and applied the moves backwards ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > > An interesting thing is that I would be able to create a records list > > that recorded exactly how each person performed their record including > > the timing of every move, like a digital video that only takes 40 bytes. > > > > I'm not sure whether people want to be recorded in that way, though. I > > think it would be nice, because spectators can watch how the best people > > perform. > > > > Ryan > > > > I wouldn't mind being recorded at all. > > I like this too much. I just got a 15.68. > http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/pictures/1568.JPG > > =), > Macky >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The oldest world record now is Kenneth Brandon on the Siamese cube at > 70.96 seconds from the 2003 World Championships 2003. The next oldest > record is Lars Vandenbergh's Square-1 mean of 3 of 33.21 from the 2004 > Dutch Open. Nah, next oldest is Dror's 4x4 BLD from Euro2004, isn't it? Did you repress that one? :-) Cheers! Stefan

No I honestly just missed it. Also I read Lars' record as 33.21 off the site, but it is in fact the 32.01 from the German Open, it just hasn't been updated yet. I wasn't trying to send a message or anything, I just wanted to make an observation, but I guess I made it too late at night and messed up way too much ;-) The point about Kenneth Brandon's record still stands though :-P Chris > > Nah, next oldest is Dror's 4x4 BLD from Euro2004, isn't it? > Did you repress that one? :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan >

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I know people are still very active in the Square-1 but does anyone > practice the Siamese cube still? Have many people since the 2003 > World Competition even attempted the Siamese cube in competition? I bet the fast Roux solvers could shatter the record easily :-) Cheers! Stefan

hey. I want to buy two new 3x3 cubes (different types), and don't want to spend very much money (not more than US$15). What are my options and where can I get these? Also -- what do you guys recommend for 5x5? I have an Eastsheen 4x4 and loath it, so if Eastsheen makes a 5x5 which is at all comparable, I am probably not interested. I recognize that this has probably been discussed before, so if anyone knows any good previous threads, let me know. Thanks! David ps--if a 2x2 cube is available from any of the sites that you are recommending, let me know what you think about that particular 2x2 cube.. Is there much difference between the various 2x2 cubes? I might as well get one of those too :) --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1��/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

PLL skip - 1/72 OLL skip - 1/216 LL skip - 1/(216*72) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > couldn't find it online anywhere. > > thanks > > David > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Almost 2 weeks ago I was looking around for my Rubik's Revenge and couldn't find it. I thought to myself that there are only four places it could be. It could have fallen out of my backpack at work or maybe at starbucks while I was waiting for the bus. The last two places it could have been were on the first or second bus I rode home in which case I would need to buy a new cube. Early the next morning I arived at work and looked around the lunch room and failled to see my cube anywhere. Four hours later its coffee time and I ask the guy who gave me a lift to starbucks if my cube fell onto the floor of his car. No luck there either. So I go upstairs to the lunch room and this is what I find: http://www.speedcubing.com/images/IceCube.jpg Everone laughed at that one and it isnt much worse for wear (maybe a tad looser). And trust me, thats alot better then their other idea.... running it over with a forklift.... >.< Moral of the story, Always know where your cubes are! PS: Yes, i know, pairity error, thats the last alg i need to memorise.

If you use partial edge control (making sure you never end up with all edges incorrectly flipped in the LL after F2L) then your odds are: OLL skip - 1/189 PLL skip - 1/72 LL skip - 1/(189*72) = 1/13608 Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > PLL skip - 1/72 > OLL skip - 1/216 > LL skip - 1/(216*72) > > ~ Bob

Let's see...start from the bottom of the food chain, shall we? 2x2: "Junior cube" at mefferts.com. They're the eastsheen brand and are quite good. Problem is, to lubricate them is quite hard since you gotta disassemble it, and that's kinda hard. 3x3: Rubiks.com DIY kit. It's like $10 or something. Quite good as well. Cubesmith stickers are good, but I prefer Cubesmith tiles :) 4x4: Go with Rubiks.com if you want a new one. 5x5: I really can't comment. I have right now an eastsheen and a rubiks.com one. Eastsheen's decent, but I'm not a huge fan. A bit too loose/fragile at times. My rubiks.com one is the completely opposite end of the spectrum, as in I think I'm going to break my hand if I ever attempt another solve on it. Hope this helps! Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > hey. > > > I want to buy two new 3x3 cubes (different types), and don't want to spend very much money (not more than US$15). What are my options and where can I get these? > > Also -- what do you guys recommend for 5x5? I have an Eastsheen 4x4 and loath it, so if Eastsheen makes a 5x5 which is at all comparable, I am probably not interested. > > I recognize that this has probably been discussed before, so if anyone knows any good previous threads, let me know. > > Thanks! > > David > > ps--if a 2x2 cube is available from any of the sites that you are recommending, let me know what you think about that particular 2x2 cube.. Is there much difference between the various 2x2 cubes? I might as well get one of those too :) > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

> > From: mike_go_uk > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: How long does it usually take someone to get sub-20? > \ It took me 3 solid months...I don't know what's the secret to it, I guess it's because I talked to those cubers on the chatroom? And they helped me along. And browsing around for a good websites with nice algos and explaination/tips. It's all about the mind, whether you can recongnize what you're doing "wrong" or just basically what you need to improve on--then improve it! Also, sub 20 doesn't require full Fridrich, or other advance system. When I sub 20, I was using 3 look LL, although I know some other OLL cases, but not many. I actually went through the OLL cases and in a way memorize what corner OLL I'm going to get after the EOLL (and I tried to experiment with different angles and edge orientation algos, so that the cases I usually get is Sune or anti Sune etc.), therefore there was not much delays between the 2 oll algos. All this isn't suppose to be directly done, but it's sort of like subconsciously aware of. Right....I hope it make sense because right now I'm tired and suppose to be at bed LOL Harris

Why not look at the database? ;) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "dwarmaj" <Dwarmaj@...> wrote: > > I've been slowly improving over the last year and have brought my > average times down from 75 seconds to about 35 seconds. I tend to cube > about 4-5 hours a week, which could be why my progress seems so slow > to me... > > I'm curious as to how long it takes others. > > Also... > I'm currently concentrating on getting faster with F2L, but seem to > take 25-30 seconds. I tried to visualize as much as I can in my 15 > second inspection period, but can only remember 3-4 moves. I use a > modified Petrus F2L+PLL method. > > Any tips on getting faster appreciated. :) >

----- Original Message ----- From: cmhardw To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:57 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL skip? a LL skip? If you use partial edge control (making sure you never end up with all edges incorrectly flipped in the LL after F2L) then your odds are: OLL skip - 1/189 PLL skip - 1/72 LL skip - 1/(189*72) = 1/13608 Chris Have you calculated the average move earnings in PEC vs non-PEC? And PEC preparation must cost Something in F2L. R ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I know people are still very active in the Square-1 but does anyone > > practice the Siamese cube still? Have many people since the 2003 > > World Competition even attempted the Siamese cube in competition? > > I bet the fast Roux solvers could shatter the record easily :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan > Potentionally, But a problem lies with the corners at the end. Since their permutation is already correct, you only have to orientate them. This gives quicker analysis of them, but the algs for just orientation I use are slower than a lot of the other ones. 30 seconds would be a good target, I'll have to get myself a siamese cube :) ~Thom

How about adding M and M'? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 08:16:47PM -0000, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting > > better. Could you add a records list? > > An interesting thing is that I would be able to create a records list > that recorded exactly how each person performed their record including > the timing of every move, like a digital video that only takes 40 bytes. > > I'm not sure whether people want to be recorded in that way, though. I > think it would be nice, because spectators can watch how the best people > perform. > > Ryan >

Hint hint roux method. ;) -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > How about adding M and M'? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 08:16:47PM -0000, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely getting > > > better. Could you add a records list? > > > > An interesting thing is that I would be able to create a records list > > that recorded exactly how each person performed their record including > > the timing of every move, like a digital video that only takes 40 bytes. > > > > I'm not sure whether people want to be recorded in that way, though. I > > think it would be nice, because spectators can watch how the best people > > perform. > > > > Ryan > > >

This is very cool. Is it possible to download in order to use it offline ? (for example in course or something :D) Gilles. 2006/5/18, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...>: > > Hint hint roux method. ;) > > -Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > > > How about adding M and M'? > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 08:16:47PM -0000, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > > Just got a 1:14.33 with my tenth attempt, slowly but surely > getting > > > > better. Could you add a records list? > > > > > > An interesting thing is that I would be able to create a records > list > > > that recorded exactly how each person performed their record > including > > > the timing of every move, like a digital video that only takes 40 > bytes. > > > > > > I'm not sure whether people want to be recorded in that way, > though. I > > > think it would be nice, because spectators can watch how the best > people > > > perform. > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 08:22:05AM -0000, thomkirjava wrote: > How about adding M and M'? As with B and B', I have thought long and hard about this also. The simulator is based on a finger model that attempts to emulate how fingers interact with a real cube. Every finger press on the keyboard corresponds to what can be achieved by a single finger press on a physical cube, where the other hand may or may not be holding one part of the cube fixed in space. On a real cube, a move such as U involves -- while holding the bottom two layers steady with the left hand -- pressing one finger on the top layer with the right hand. It is performed "J" on my simulator. On a real cube, a move such as M involves -- while holding the left layer fixed with the left hand -- pushing down with one finger on the middle layer, while simultaneously pushing up with one finger (or thumb) on the right layer. It is performed "M + I" (pressing both keys simultaneously) on my simulator. If, on a real cube, you only push down with one finger on the middle layer, while holding the left layer fixed with the left hand, then the result is that both of the right two layers will move. In my simulator, this also happens and is performed "M". The physics model of my simulator also allows any arbitrary rotations to happen simultaneously, provided that they happen around the same axis. When two rotations happen simultaneously, they take the same time as a single primitive move. Ryan

David-I emailed you to your address but did not hear from you. I'll try you here. We are interested in having youcome but the event is FRIDAY! ________________________________ From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com on behalf of David Pritts Sent: Mon 5/15/2006 8:51 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Volunteer Needed I live in cleveland... I am not very good by the standards here, though.. I average around 45 seconds. Let me know if you'd be interested, and what is this event? David jagwilson7 <gwilson@...> wrote: I posted a message a few weeks ago and I got no response so I thought I would inquire 1 more time. We are looking for a speed cuber for an event on Friday May 19, 2006 near Cleveland Ohio. If you know of someone who speedcubes in our area or are interested yourself email me at gwilson@.... Thank you! SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear All. Seven Towns has a third-party licensing agent in the USA (The Sharpe Co) who are promoting Rubik on their stand at the Licensing Show in New York (Javitz Centre)June 20th to 22nd. Ian Winokur is going to do some speed solving on the 20th but the more the merrier if anyone else would be interested in coming along to show them how it's done ? I'll need to get you registered for passes to the show and will provide some goodies as a "thank you", we should also have Rubik T- shirts which are going into Urban Outfitters in a month or so - so you might get to model them if you wanted to ! E-mail me direct if you can help. Many thanks Dave Seven Towns davidj@seventowns.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > Why not look at the database? ;) > > ~ Bob > I saw the entries in the database after I posted... Not many people actually posted in it and posting a thread generates more discussion on "how" not just "how long".

> Have you calculated the average move earnings in PEC vs non-PEC? > And PEC preparation must cost Something in F2L. > R Hey Rune, I think the average number of moves using partial edge control would have to be more than without at least for F2L. As for the OLL cases, it seems the all edges flipped cases are some of the longest ones in terms of number of moves. Also they tend to be the slowest. I would argue that doing a time analysis might be a little bit better. The extra time spent actually making sure you have partial edge control during F2L would be outweighed I think by avoiding the longer time it takes to execute the, usually, more awkward OLL cases with all edges flipped. As far as I know though, no one has actually done the analysis with the time or the number of moves. I think people just assume the result would be better, either intuitively or maybe from experience. That's just my guess though, maybe someone already has looked into this. I like it for the sole reason that your odds to skip OLL with partial edge control are 1/189 instead of 1/216. I mean that's a small change, but every bit counts. Chris

Hi Chris, Rune, Although I do F2L with a different method from most I do use partial edge control in placing the last edge(s) of the FL. (Lower case letter means slice alone.) For example, if the last edge on the First Level in in place but flipped over and there are 3 edges flipped over on the LL. a. If they face me r U r' U' r U2 r ends with all 4 LL edges upright. b. If they face away r U r' U' r U2 r ends with 2 adjacent edges flipped. c. If they face right r U r' U' r U2 r ends with two non-adjacent edges flipped. Thus the same algorithm has three different results. In this case and many others PEC doesn't have to cost any moves other than an alignment of the LL. In my method there's no reason to get to the LL with all four edges flipped. Cheers, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > Have you calculated the average move earnings in PEC vs non-PEC? > > And PEC preparation must cost Something in F2L. > > R > > Hey Rune, > > I think the average number of moves using partial edge control would > have to be more than without at least for F2L. > > As for the OLL cases, it seems the all edges flipped cases are some > of the longest ones in terms of number of moves. Also they tend to > be the slowest. > > I would argue that doing a time analysis might be a little bit > better. The extra time spent actually making sure you have partial > edge control during F2L would be outweighed I think by avoiding the > longer time it takes to execute the, usually, more awkward OLL cases > with all edges flipped. > > As far as I know though, no one has actually done the analysis with > the time or the number of moves. I think people just assume the > result would be better, either intuitively or maybe from experience. > > That's just my guess though, maybe someone already has looked into > this. > > I like it for the sole reason that your odds to skip OLL with > partial edge control are 1/189 instead of 1/216. I mean that's a > small change, but every bit counts. > > Chris >

Hej Chris, I am asking, since long, long ago I had a similar idea. (I play FL+CLL+the rest). I thougt I had found something - if not fantastic - so very good. I found that I, putting in the last corner in FL in a certain way, could correctly orient one corner in LL. Fantastic! Instead of 1/162 I get the CLL skip 1/54. But... there are five other cases, where the corners are all correctly orientated, which also became three times more frequent and which cases I definitely didn´t like. I don´t remember (it was in the mid 80ies) but the number of algs ought to have been reduced to one third. But I do remember that I had the impression that the worst algs were left. In short, I had the impression that the average number of moves for CLL had increased. But that´s not all! A skip always (at least for me) leads to some confusion and the gain is less that it should be theoretically. (Somebody wrote that a skip can even have an absolutely negative effect). To that came that I often lost one move (two times of three?) in FL to fix that corner in LL. And sometimes I missed a "combination" for the two last corners in FL. In all, I was mistaken and I hope, Chris, that you are not mistaken in the same way. Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: cmhardw To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL skip? a LL skip? > Have you calculated the average move earnings in PEC vs non-PEC? > And PEC preparation must cost Something in F2L. > R Hey Rune, I think the average number of moves using partial edge control would have to be more than without at least for F2L. As for the OLL cases, it seems the all edges flipped cases are some of the longest ones in terms of number of moves. Also they tend to be the slowest. I would argue that doing a time analysis might be a little bit better. The extra time spent actually making sure you have partial edge control during F2L would be outweighed I think by avoiding the longer time it takes to execute the, usually, more awkward OLL cases with all edges flipped. As far as I know though, no one has actually done the analysis with the time or the number of moves. I think people just assume the result would be better, either intuitively or maybe from experience. That's just my guess though, maybe someone already has looked into this. I like it for the sole reason that your odds to skip OLL with partial edge control are 1/189 instead of 1/216. I mean that's a small change, but every bit counts. Chris SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: >[snip] Instead of 1/162 I get the CLL skip 1/54. [snip] > Rune Hi Rune, Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and one of them is solved. David J > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cmhardw > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:28 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL skip? a LL skip? > > > > Have you calculated the average move earnings in PEC vs non-PEC? > > And PEC preparation must cost Something in F2L. > > R > > Hey Rune, > > I think the average number of moves using partial edge control would > have to be more than without at least for F2L. > > As for the OLL cases, it seems the all edges flipped cases are some > of the longest ones in terms of number of moves. Also they tend to > be the slowest. > > I would argue that doing a time analysis might be a little bit > better. The extra time spent actually making sure you have partial > edge control during F2L would be outweighed I think by avoiding the > longer time it takes to execute the, usually, more awkward OLL cases > with all edges flipped. > > As far as I know though, no one has actually done the analysis with > the time or the number of moves. I think people just assume the > result would be better, either intuitively or maybe from experience. > > That's just my guess though, maybe someone already has looked into > this. > > I like it for the sole reason that your odds to skip OLL with > partial edge control are 1/189 instead of 1/216. I mean that's a > small change, but every bit counts. > > Chris

----- Original Message ----- From: d_j_salvia To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL skip? a LL skip? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: >[snip] Instead of 1/162 I get the CLL skip 1/54. [snip] > Rune Hi Rune, Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and one of them is solved. David J P(4 corners correctly oriented) =1/3^3=1/27 P(4 corners correctly permuted) =1/3!=1/6 1/27x1/6=1/162 R SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----- From: cmhardw To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL skip? a LL skip? Sorry, wrote "orientated". Should be "oriented". R . SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Does anyone know of a site that explains how to reassemble a rubik's brand 4x4 Thanks Andrew

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know of a site that explains how to reassemble a rubik's > brand 4x4 > > Thanks Andrew > I found this on rubiks.com quite a while ago... http://tinyurl.com/htn5s Don't think it is still on their site so I uploaded it to the files section of the group. Hope it helps. Jon http://www.nascarjon.us

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: d_j_salvia > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:51 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL skip? a LL skip? > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > >[snip] Instead of 1/162 I get the CLL skip 1/54. [snip] > > Rune > > Hi Rune, > > Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and one > of them is solved. > > David J > > > P(4 corners correctly oriented) =1/3^3=1/27 > P(4 corners correctly permuted) =1/3!=1/6 > 1/27x1/6=1/162 > R Thanks, Rune I get the general idea. Corners Oriented: number of occurrances All up: 1 3 down (clockwise): 4 3 down (counter clockwise): 4 Headlights: 4 Sidelights: 4 Oddlights: 4 Wheels: 4 Barrow: 4 That looks like 29 to me, not 27. Regards, David J

As some of you may know, the IRC channel is having a bit of a network problem. I dont know what is wrong as I am not part of the staff. If you do join, please try and ignore the bans. I will let everyone know when it is fixed. Peter Greenwood

Your method of approach is very different. First of all, it's hard to comment because I don't know the positions to which these names are associated with. In any case, what's likely wrong is that not all of these occur with the same probability, so you can't just say the probability is 1 over the number of cases. A similar example would be what is the probability of getting two heads. You can't say, well, you can get two heads, you can get two tails, or you can get one head and one tail, so the probability is 1/3. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 18, 2006, at 4:25 PM, d_j_salvia wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: d_j_salvia >> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:51 PM >> Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL > skip? a LL skip? >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström >> <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: >>> [snip] Instead of 1/162 I get the CLL skip 1/54. [snip] >>> Rune >> >> Hi Rune, >> >> Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and >> one >> of them is solved. >> >> David J >> >> >> P(4 corners correctly oriented) =1/3^3=1/27 >> P(4 corners correctly permuted) =1/3!=1/6 >> 1/27x1/6=1/162 >> R > > Thanks, Rune I get the general idea. > > Corners Oriented: number of occurrances > All up: 1 > 3 down (clockwise): 4 > 3 down (counter clockwise): 4 > Headlights: 4 > Sidelights: 4 > Oddlights: 4 > Wheels: 4 > Barrow: 4 > > That looks like 29 to me, not 27. > > Regards, > > David J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Ok, it seems the problem has been fixed. Fee free to join us: #rubik irc.ircstorm.net 6667 or http://strangepuzzle.com/chat.php Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > As some of you may know, the IRC channel is having a bit of a network > problem. I dont know what is wrong as I am not part of the staff. If > you do join, please try and ignore the bans. I will let everyone know > when it is fixed. > > Peter Greenwood >

For the orientatation case H on http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Step_3.html you should have 2, not 4. 1(A)+4(B)+4(C)+4(D)+4(E)+4(F)+4(G)+2(H) = 27 (= 3^3 of course) Gilles. > Corners Oriented: number of occurrances > All up: 1 > 3 down (clockwise): 4 > 3 down (counter clockwise): 4 > Headlights: 4 > Sidelights: 4 > Oddlights: 4 > Wheels: 4 > Barrow: 4 > > That looks like 29 to me, not 27. > > Regards, > > David J >

Thanks for supporting! R ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles Roux To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 2:41 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL skip? a LL skip? For the orientatation case H on http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Step_3.html you should have 2, not 4. 1(A)+4(B)+4(C)+4(D)+4(E)+4(F)+4(G)+2(H) = 27 (= 3^3 of course) Gilles. > Corners Oriented: number of occurrances > All up: 1 > 3 down (clockwise): 4 > 3 down (counter clockwise): 4 > Headlights: 4 > Sidelights: 4 > Oddlights: 4 > Wheels: 4 > Barrow: 4 > > That looks like 29 to me, not 27. > > Regards, > > David J > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Rune, Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and one of them is solved. David J From where that number 45? I count and count but find only 43 distinct CLL positions (of which one is solved). 39 of them are found in 4 different shapes (4 colours), 2 of them in 2 different shapes (2 complement colours) and 2 unique cases (the solved case and the "diagonal" case). Hence: 39x4+2x2+2x1=162 Is something wrong? Rune SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > Hi Rune, > > Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and one > of them is solved. > > David J > > From where that number 45? I count and count but find only 43 distinct CLL positions (of which one is solved). > 39 of them are found in 4 different shapes (4 colours), 2 of them in 2 different shapes (2 complement colours) and 2 unique cases (the solved case and the "diagonal" case). > Hence: 39x4+2x2+2x1=162 > Is something wrong? Nothing. - A2=A3=A4=A5 - H2=H4 - H3=H5 6x8 - 5 clones = 43 The cases have been available on many sites for many years (speedcubing.com for example), why are we still counting them? :-) Gilles. > Rune > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle > Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

True. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rune, > > > > Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and > one > > of them is solved. > > > > David J > > > > From where that number 45? I count and count but find only 43 > distinct CLL positions (of which one is solved). > > 39 of them are found in 4 different shapes (4 colours), 2 of them in 2 > different shapes (2 complement colours) and 2 unique cases (the solved > case and the "diagonal" case). > > Hence: 39x4+2x2+2x1=162 > > Is something wrong? > > Nothing. > - A2=A3=A4=A5 > - H2=H4 > - H3=H5 > 6x8 - 5 clones = 43 > > The cases have been available on many sites for many years > (speedcubing.com for example), why are we still counting them? :-) > > Gilles. > > > > Rune > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games > Educational game and puzzle > > Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > ------ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > ------ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

I got the following alg from Milan Baticz, who is working on the Megaminx. He said it can be used for 3x3 as well so I tried it on both puzzles. I was quite surprised by the different results. Check it out yourself. Then explain it to me :-) R U R' U' L' U' L U2 R U' R' U' L' U L Cheers! Stefan

> The cases have been available on many sites for many years > (speedcubing.com for example), why are we still counting them? :-) > > Gilles. Maybe nothing to do but counting them over and over again... Rune SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Tyson, The nicknames and their meanings: All up: the color of the Up side of all the corners is the same as the center of the Up side. 3 down (clockwise): One corner is upright and the other three corners are rotated clockwise from upright. 3 down (counterclockwise): One corner is up and the other three corners are rotated counterclockwise from upright. Headlights: two adjacent corners are upright and the other two are rotated to face the same way, like headlights on a car. Sidelights: two adjacent corners are upright and the other two are rotated to face the opposite way, like sidelights on some cars. Oddlights: two non-adjacent corners are upright and the other two are rotated to face one direction, kind of like a fish, but named to keep with the "lights" theme. Wheels: Four corners are rotated so that the two pair of asjacent corners face away from each other like the wheels on a car. Barrow: Four corners are rotated and it reminds me of a wheel barrow the two corners facing away from each other are the wheels and the two facing the same direction are the handles. *** By counting as I did I'm raising a question. I had questions about how to count the symetrical case, wheels, (and others) but I thought that its occurrance might be at the same frequency, that is, the way the other occurrances of rotated corners are counted. What I mean to say is that it makes sense to treat all of those occurance equally. In "3 down" you turn three corners clockwise and you count the position, you turn them again you count the position. In "headlights" you turn two corners in opposite directions and you count it as a position, you turn them again they become "sidelights" and you count them again. In "oddlights" you rotate two corners and count it, rotate them again and don't count it. In wheels you rotate four corners, you count the position (and cut in in half) rotate the corners again and don't count the position. So it seems to me that though symetries exist such that even though a position is repeated, that repetition occurs mathematically. It's as though a census taker counted twins as one person. Regards, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Your method of approach is very different. First of all, it's hard to > comment because I don't know the positions to which these names are > associated with. > > In any case, what's likely wrong is that not all of these occur with > the same probability, so you can't just say the probability is 1 over > the number of cases. > > A similar example would be what is the probability of getting two heads. > > You can't say, well, you can get two heads, you can get two tails, or > you can get one head and one tail, so the probability is 1/3. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 18, 2006, at 4:25 PM, d_j_salvia wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: d_j_salvia > >> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 9:51 PM > >> Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: what is the probability of OLL > > skip? a LL skip? > >> > >> > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > >> <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > >>> [snip] Instead of 1/162 I get the CLL skip 1/54. [snip] > >>> Rune > >> > >> Hi Rune, > >> > >> Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and > >> one > >> of them is solved. > >> > >> David J > >> > >> > >> P(4 corners correctly oriented) =1/3^3=1/27 > >> P(4 corners correctly permuted) =1/3!=1/6 > >> 1/27x1/6=1/162 > >> R > > > > Thanks, Rune I get the general idea. > > > > Corners Oriented: number of occurrances > > All up: 1 > > 3 down (clockwise): 4 > > 3 down (counter clockwise): 4 > > Headlights: 4 > > Sidelights: 4 > > Oddlights: 4 > > Wheels: 4 > > Barrow: 4 > > > > That looks like 29 to me, not 27. > > > > Regards, > > > > David J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

this is what i have came up with. this is the normale single parity: (Rr)2 B2 U2 l U2 r' U2 r U2 F2 r F2 l' B2 (Rr)2 this is the normale switch parity: (Rr)2 B2 U2 r2 U2 B2 (Rr)2 double parity: (Rr)2 B2 U2 r2 l U2 r' U2 r U2 F2 r F2 l' B2 (Rr)2 as you can see its the single parity + the r2 on the 4th move what i just did mix them :) you can also use it on the speed version but diffrent affect :) ~AO

Hi Rune, et all, Sorry, I meant 44 cases including solved, not 45. I get 44 from going through the cases one by one. Here's a page of my solutions. (not necessarily optimal, just the best I have worked out to the time of its posting. http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/CLL.html Cheers, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > Hi Rune, > > Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and one > of them is solved. > > David J > > From where that number 45? I count and count but find only 43 distinct CLL positions (of which one is solved). > 39 of them are found in 4 different shapes (4 colours), 2 of them in 2 different shapes (2 complement colours) and 2 unique cases (the solved case and the "diagonal" case). > Hence: 39x4+2x2+2x1=162 > Is something wrong? > Rune > >

I really think it's safer to count the way that Rune is counting. The patters are made up by the probability of the individual pieces. You run no risk of miscounting this way. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 19, 2006, at 9:06 AM, d_j_salvia wrote: > Hi Rune, et all, > > Sorry, I meant 44 cases including solved, not 45. I get 44 from going > through the cases one by one. Here's a page of my solutions. (not > necessarily optimal, just the best I have worked out to the time of > its posting. > > http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/CLL.html > > Cheers, > > David J > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Rune, >> >> Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and >> one >> of them is solved. >> >> David J >> >> From where that number 45? I count and count but find only 43 > distinct CLL positions (of which one is solved). >> 39 of them are found in 4 different shapes (4 colours), 2 of them > in 2 different shapes (2 complement colours) and 2 unique cases (the > solved case and the "diagonal" case). >> Hence: 39x4+2x2+2x1=162 >> Is something wrong? >> Rune >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hi Tyson, Rune, et al, I get 43 cases including solved. In stepping through my CLL page I find that 14 is a duplicate of 12. Sorry for the error. Tyson, you wrote> You run no risk of miscounting this way. < Apparently I run the risk of miscounting no matter how I do it! :p Regards, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > I really think it's safer to count the way that Rune is counting. The > patters are made up by the probability of the individual pieces. You > run no risk of miscounting this way. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 19, 2006, at 9:06 AM, d_j_salvia wrote: > > > Hi Rune, et all, > > > > Sorry, I meant 44 cases including solved, not 45. I get 44 from going > > through the cases one by one. Here's a page of my solutions. (not > > necessarily optimal, just the best I have worked out to the time of > > its posting. > > > > http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/CLL.html > > > > Cheers, > > > > David J > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Hi Rune, > >> > >> Where do you get those odds? There are only 45 CLL positions, and > >> one > >> of them is solved. > >> > >> David J > >> > >> From where that number 45? I count and count but find only 43 > > distinct CLL positions (of which one is solved). > >> 39 of them are found in 4 different shapes (4 colours), 2 of them > > in 2 different shapes (2 complement colours) and 2 unique cases (the > > solved case and the "diagonal" case). > >> Hence: 39x4+2x2+2x1=162 > >> Is something wrong? > >> Rune > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ha !! :D I never thought of simply combing them like that. Then again, i never use them anyway cause i use a different method. Only have a single parity w my method on 4x4x4. U should look into combining permutation parity fix with Fredericks orientation parity fix because it avoids using B-moves, which i think is good for speeding :-) Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > this is what i have came up with. > > this is the normale single parity: > (Rr)2 B2 U2 l U2 r' U2 r U2 F2 r F2 l' B2 (Rr)2 > > this is the normale switch parity: > (Rr)2 B2 U2 r2 U2 B2 (Rr)2 > > double parity: > (Rr)2 B2 U2 r2 l U2 r' U2 r U2 F2 r F2 l' B2 (Rr)2 > > as you can see its the single parity + the r2 on the 4th move > what i just did mix them :) > > you can also use it on the speed version but diffrent affect :) > > ~AO >

Hi Rune, et al, I got them from solving all the cases I ran across. Here's a page with the cases and my solution. http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/CLL.html Tell me which cases are repeats. Cheers, David J Et al loves such problems. Rune SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Stefan :-) U joker! U know the answer to this ;-) The 2 puzzles don't "connect at the back" the same way ... That's why. I don't have my Megaminx here though. I'd like to see the effect on that puzzle. 15 moves is not very efficient for that edge 3-cycle on the 3x3x3. Shorter U/R only alg does exist ;-) (R' U R' U' R' U' R' U R U R2) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > I got the following alg from Milan Baticz, who is working on the > Megaminx. He said it can be used for 3x3 as well so I tried it on both > puzzles. I was quite surprised by the different results. Check it out > yourself. Then explain it to me :-) > > R U R' U' L' U' L U2 R U' R' U' L' U L > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Dude. I'm LOVING the new high score thing. This is an awesome enhancement. Nice work!!! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > I have tried to make the keyboard bindings closely resemble the way our > fingers interact with real cubes. For example, your index fingers are > used to trigger U and U'. "Sune" becomes IJKJIJJK. > > It is also possible to perform two moves simultaneously, provided that > they move around the same axis. > > > My best time so far is about 1:28.29 > > Ryan >

Can we request double layer d turns as well? So Dc and Dc'? I didn't realize how often I do double layer d turns in my F2L until I tried the applet and couldn't use them! Awesome applet, but it makes my brain hurt. My best time is 1:50 so far. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Matt M." <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > Dude. I'm LOVING the new high score thing. This is an awesome > enhancement. Nice work!!! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > wrote: > > > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > > > > I have tried to make the keyboard bindings closely resemble the way our > > fingers interact with real cubes. For example, your index fingers are > > used to trigger U and U'. "Sune" becomes IJKJIJJK. > > > > It is also possible to perform two moves simultaneously, provided that > > they move around the same axis. > > > > > > My best time so far is about 1:28.29 > > > > Ryan > > >

No I don't know the answer. You should see the effect on the Megaminx first, *then* make fun of me :-) Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan :-) > > U joker! U know the answer to this ;-) The 2 puzzles don't "connect > at the back" the same way ... That's why. I don't have my Megaminx > here though. I'd like to see the effect on that puzzle. 15 moves is > not very efficient for that edge 3-cycle on the 3x3x3. Shorter U/R > only alg does exist ;-) (R' U R' U' R' U' R' U R U R2) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > I got the following alg from Milan Baticz, who is working on the > > Megaminx. He said it can be used for 3x3 as well so I tried it on > both > > puzzles. I was quite surprised by the different results. Check it > out > > yourself. Then explain it to me :-) > > > > R U R' U' L' U' L U2 R U' R' U' L' U L > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." <mmoberly@... > wrote: > > Dude. I'm LOVING the new high score thing. This is an awesome > enhancement. Nice work!!! Yeah, replay is great! Macky..cough..pll skip.. cough cough.. Cheers! Stefan

Wouldn't it be Dw and D'w (or Dw')? I think the "c" means "cube", so Uc is y and so... but I also vote for double layer turns Pedro cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Can we request double layer d turns as well? So Dc and Dc'? I didn't realize how often I do double layer d turns in my F2L until I tried the applet and couldn't use them! Awesome applet, but it makes my brain hurt. My best time is 1:50 so far. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > Dude. I'm LOVING the new high score thing. This is an awesome > enhancement. Nice work!!! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > wrote: > > > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > > > > I have tried to make the keyboard bindings closely resemble the way our > > fingers interact with real cubes. For example, your index fingers are > > used to trigger U and U'. "Sune" becomes IJKJIJJK. > > > > It is also possible to perform two moves simultaneously, provided that > > they move around the same axis. > > > > > > My best time so far is about 1:28.29 > > > > Ryan > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Novidade no Yahoo! Mail: receba alertas de novas mensagens no seu celular. Registre seu aparelho agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 09:17:09PM -0300, Pedro wrote: > Wouldn't it be Dw and D'w (or Dw')? > I think the "c" means "cube", so Uc is y and so... > > but I also vote for double layer turns > > Pedro > > cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > Can we request double layer d turns as well? So Dc and Dc'? > > I didn't realize how often I do double layer d turns in my F2L until I > tried the applet and couldn't use them! > > Awesome applet, but it makes my brain hurt. My best time is 1:50 so far. I'd like to keep the number of keys at the bare minimum, and you can already do this with: Dc' "F+;" and Dc is "J+A". (Hit the keys simultaneously, and they'll be performed at the same time). Have fun :-) Ryan

I have tried using the Guimond system at http://www.rubikscuberecord.com to solve a 2x2x2 cube, and I simply can't understand the first step. Some of the algorithms work, and others don't. I heard that the french version is more understandable, but I unfortunately don't speak french, and an online translator didn't help much. Help please! Also, on a seperate but related topic, is the Guimond method the most efficient/fastest way to solve a 2x2x2 cube? Or would a First layer, OLL, PLL work better?

My old home page (http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~rheise/) which I have had since 1995, is finally closing down. My new address is: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ Just grepping through my logs, below are the pages who may have links to my old URL, which may stop working soon: http://blog.xuite.net/cwlin/iloveheikko/5954613 http://grrroux.free.fr/links/links.html http://jrourees.iespana.es/links2.html?1 http://junyiguo.myweb.hinet.net/Links.html http://s92788564.onlinehome.us/RyanMethod.htm http://s92788564.onlinehome.us/cubelinks.html http://s92788564.onlinehome.us/methods.html http://www.civil.iitb.ac.in/~d3sachin/cubing/cubelinks.html http://www.cubeloop.com/WebSite/cube/cubelinks1.htm http://www.cubeloop.com/php/links/links.php http://www.davidguo.idv.tw/Cube/Links.html http://www.freespaces.com/jasa86/cube/links.htm http://www.freeweb.hu/rubikkocka/linkek.html http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/puzzlink.htm http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=82647 http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/ http://www.speedcubing.com/links.html http://www.svekub.se/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,14/Itemid,4/ http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/links.html http://www40.brinkster.com/patjk/fast.html Thanks, Ryan

Hey Ryan, Yeah doing "F+;" and "J+A" works perfectly well for double layer d turns, I've been using them just fine now. Also how do you guys get so fast? I must have done 20-25 solves so far and my best is 1:14.xx. How the heck do you do this applet in under 20 seconds? That's just incredible. Did you guys just do 100 solves or so to get used to the keys? Or is my brain just broken? Chris > > I'd like to keep the number of keys at the bare minimum, and you can > already do this with: Dc' "F+;" and Dc is "J+A". (Hit the keys > simultaneously, and they'll be performed at the same time). > > Have fun :-) > > Ryan >

Hehe, It's just like everything else : training helps. My best time so far is 27.05 but I average about 35 seconds now. The bad thing is that I have a AZERTY keybord so some moves like r' are really weird to do but you can get used to it. The good thing about this applet is that you can use your left hand just as fast as the right hand. This show me that I should develop more algorithms that uses my left hand. Gilles. cmhardw a �crit : > Hey Ryan, > > Yeah doing "F+;" and "J+A" works perfectly well for double layer d > turns, I've been using them just fine now. > > Also how do you guys get so fast? I must have done 20-25 solves so > far and my best is 1:14.xx. How the heck do you do this applet in > under 20 seconds? That's just incredible. Did you guys just do 100 > solves or so to get used to the keys? Or is my brain just broken? > > Chris > > >> I'd like to keep the number of keys at the bare minimum, and you can >> already do this with: Dc' "F+;" and Dc is "J+A". (Hit the keys >> simultaneously, and they'll be performed at the same time). >> >> Have fun :-) >> >> Ryan >> >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

This is very weird. :D But this find its explanation in the fact that the megaminx last layer has 5 sides whereas the cube has only 4. Everything changes in the U2 move (I do not advise you to do U' U', but do U U :D). That's all I can think of for the reason at this point. I will keep this algorithm in mind, it might help some day :D Gilles. Stefan Pochmann a �crit : > No I don't know the answer. You should see the effect on the Megaminx > first, *then* make fun of me :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > >> Hi Stefan :-) >> >> U joker! U know the answer to this ;-) The 2 puzzles don't "connect >> at the back" the same way ... That's why. I don't have my Megaminx >> here though. I'd like to see the effect on that puzzle. 15 moves is >> not very efficient for that edge 3-cycle on the 3x3x3. Shorter U/R >> only alg does exist ;-) (R' U R' U' R' U' R' U R U R2) >> >> -Per >> >> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" >>> >> <pochmann@> wrote: >> >>> I got the following alg from Milan Baticz, who is working on the >>> Megaminx. He said it can be used for 3x3 as well so I tried it on >>> >> both >> >>> puzzles. I was quite surprised by the different results. Check it >>> >> out >> >>> yourself. Then explain it to me :-) >>> >>> R U R' U' L' U' L U2 R U' R' U' L' U L >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Stefan >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Yeah, U2 is very ambiguous, making it a problem, and the fact that 4 F turns, for example, will not work. A lot of 3x3 algorithms I use don't work on the Megaminx because of those two problems. -Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > This is very weird. :D > But this find its explanation in the fact that the megaminx last layer > has 5 sides whereas the cube has only 4. > > Everything changes in the U2 move (I do not advise you to do U' U', but > do U U :D). > That's all I can think of for the reason at this point. > > I will keep this algorithm in mind, it might help some day :D > Gilles. > > Stefan Pochmann a écrit : > > No I don't know the answer. You should see the effect on the Megaminx > > first, *then* make fun of me :-) > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > >> Hi Stefan :-) > >> > >> U joker! U know the answer to this ;-) The 2 puzzles don't "connect > >> at the back" the same way ... That's why. I don't have my Megaminx > >> here though. I'd like to see the effect on that puzzle. 15 moves is > >> not very efficient for that edge 3-cycle on the 3x3x3. Shorter U/ R > >> only alg does exist ;-) (R' U R' U' R' U' R' U R U R2) > >> > >> -Per > >> > >> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Stefan Pochmann" > >>> > >> <pochmann@> wrote: > >> > >>> I got the following alg from Milan Baticz, who is working on the > >>> Megaminx. He said it can be used for 3x3 as well so I tried it on > >>> > >> both > >> > >>> puzzles. I was quite surprised by the different results. Check it > >>> > >> out > >> > >>> yourself. Then explain it to me :-) > >>> > >>> R U R' U' L' U' L U2 R U' R' U' L' U L > >>> > >>> Cheers! > >>> Stefan > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Yeah, U2 is very ambiguous Not at all. If you mistake it for U2' or U3, that's clearly *your* fault. Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > I got the following alg from Milan Baticz, who is working on the > Megaminx. He said it can be used for 3x3 as well so I tried it on both > puzzles. I was quite surprised by the different results. Check it out > yourself. Then explain it to me :-) > > R U R' U' L' U' L U2 R U' R' U' L' U L Ok, since not everybody has a megaminx, I'll just say it. Both puzzles are very similar, in terms of mechanism as well as how to solve it. Many useful algorithms work on both puzzles and have the same effect. This algorithm, however, is special. On both puzzles, it's a pure 3-cycle of pieces. But while it cycles three *edges* for the 3x3, it cycles three *corners* for the megaminx. I had never seen something like this and I'm quite surprised. Btw it's easy to remember written as four standard fingertricks: (R U R' U') (L' U' L U) (U R U' R') (U' L' U L) Still doesn't explain it to me, though. I'd like to understand how it works and explain why it cycles edges on one puzzle and corners on the other. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > I got the following alg from Milan Baticz, who is working on the > > Megaminx. He said it can be used for 3x3 as well so I tried it on > both > > puzzles. I was quite surprised by the different results. Check it > out > > yourself. Then explain it to me :-) > > > > R U R' U' L' U' L U2 R U' R' U' L' U L > > > Ok, since not everybody has a megaminx, I'll just say it. Both puzzles > are very similar, in terms of mechanism as well as how to solve it. > Many useful algorithms work on both puzzles and have the same effect. > > This algorithm, however, is special. On both puzzles, it's a pure > 3-cycle of pieces. But while it cycles three *edges* for the 3x3, it > cycles three *corners* for the megaminx. I had never seen something > like this and I'm quite surprised. > > Btw it's easy to remember written as four standard fingertricks: > (R U R' U') (L' U' L U) (U R U' R') (U' L' U L) > > Still doesn't explain it to me, though. I'd like to understand how it > works and explain why it cycles edges on one puzzle and corners on the > other. > > Cheers! > Stefan > Oh is that what it does. o_o Well, that's awesome because I need that.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Btw it's easy to remember written as four standard fingertricks: > (R U R' U') (L' U' L U) (U R U' R') (U' L' U L) > > Still doesn't explain it to me, though. I'd like to understand how it > works and explain why it cycles edges on one puzzle and corners on the > other. Ok, for Megaminx it's not so hard to see now. It's an unusual commutator PQP'Q' with P=RUR'U' and Q=L'U'LU. Their effects only overlap at a single corner at the back of the U layer, which you can see if you only do P. This corner has the "correct orientation" after P, i.e. U sticker on U face, which is important because otherwise the corners would end up disoriented. On the 3x3 it's harder, the overlap is larger. Well, the corner that P brings to the back of U is actually a corner/edge *pair*. The edge of the pair isn't reached by Q on the Megaminx, but it is on the 3x3. And this creates the edge 3-cycle on the 3x3 for the same explanation the corner 3-cycle was created on the Megaminx. However, the effects overlap for 3x3 is more than just that edge. Two corners are involved, too, UBL and UBR are swapped and disoriented. Clearly after four swaps they're at the correct position again, actually already after two of course. They're also oriented correctly after PQ, because P preserves the orientation of UBR while it moves to UBL, and UBL is oriented counterclockwise. Mirrorly Q preserves orientation of UBL while it moves back to UBR and orients UBR on its way back to UBL. So one corner has its orientation preserved both ways and the other gets oriented and back. The key observation and thus explanation for me now is that two CEC triples overlap and on the megaminx they're adjacent ones (which overlap at one corner) and on the 3x3 they're the same (overlap at one edge, with side effect overlap of two corners) because of the one fewer side around U. Cheers! Stefan

Gaetan's method is really efficient on the 2x2. Another good method is Ortega's (http://www.rubikscube.info/). First step is indeed very easy. Say your cube has white opposite yellow. Then place 3 cubies with either white or yellow on the D face (so they form an "L"). It doesn’t matter how many pieces of each colour (white or yellow) you place in the "L". Never place 4 cubies in the bottom face with yellow or white! Then D, D' or D2 your bottom layer so the non white/yellow cubie is in DLB. Now look at the DLB corner it will have a white or yellow sticker pointing either left or back. If it's pointing left then follow the images to find the corresponding algorithm. If it's pointing back you will find the cases at the bottom of the page. Then go on orient and permute all pieces. A nice thing is that the permutation step for both methods is the same. Another nice tutorial for Gaetan's method is here (in Swedish) http://www.svekub.se/content/view/100/29/ Hope it makes sense :) // Dennis Visit www.cubeloop.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] För agousev Skickat: den 20 maj 2006 05:13 Till: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Ämne: [Speed cubing group] Guimond method help I have tried using the Guimond system at http://www.rubikscuberecord.com to solve a 2x2x2 cube, and I simply can't understand the first step. Some of the algorithms work, and others don't. I heard that the french version is more understandable, but I unfortunately don't speak french, and an online translator didn't help much. Help please! Also, on a seperate but related topic, is the Guimond method the most efficient/fastest way to solve a 2x2x2 cube? Or would a First layer, OLL, PLL work better? Yahoo! Groups Links

Ah, now it makes sense to me...I was doing it wrong...turning the cube to look at the D face...thank you Dennis Pedro Dennis Nilssson <massimo@cubeloop.com> escreveu: Gaetan's method is really efficient on the 2x2. Another good method is Ortega's (http://www.rubikscube.info/). First step is indeed very easy. Say your cube has white opposite yellow. Then place 3 cubies with either white or yellow on the D face (so they form an "L"). It doesn’t matter how many pieces of each colour (white or yellow) you place in the "L". Never place 4 cubies in the bottom face with yellow or white! Then D, D' or D2 your bottom layer so the non white/yellow cubie is in DLB. Now look at the DLB corner it will have a white or yellow sticker pointing either left or back. If it's pointing left then follow the images to find the corresponding algorithm. If it's pointing back you will find the cases at the bottom of the page. Then go on orient and permute all pieces. A nice thing is that the permutation step for both methods is the same. Another nice tutorial for Gaetan's method is here (in Swedish) http://www.svekub.se/content/view/100/29/ Hope it makes sense :) // Dennis Visit www.cubeloop.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] För agousev Skickat: den 20 maj 2006 05:13 Till: speedsolvingrubikscube@...m Ämne: [Speed cubing group] Guimond method help I have tried using the Guimond system at http://www.rubikscuberecord.com to solve a 2x2x2 cube, and I simply can't understand the first step. Some of the algorithms work, and others don't. I heard that the french version is more understandable, but I unfortunately don't speak french, and an online translator didn't help much. Help please! Also, on a seperate but related topic, is the Guimond method the most efficient/fastest way to solve a 2x2x2 cube? Or would a First layer, OLL, PLL work better? Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What is the average on Guimond? On Ortega, HTM of 18, I believe. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Ah, now it makes sense to me...I was doing it wrong...turning the cube to look at the D face...thank you Dennis > > Pedro > > Dennis Nilssson <massimo@...> escreveu: > Gaetan's method is really efficient on the 2x2. Another good method is > Ortega's (http://www.rubikscube.info/). > > First step is indeed very easy. Say your cube has white opposite yellow. > Then place 3 cubies with either white or yellow on the D face (so they form > an "L"). It doesn't matter how many pieces of each colour (white or yellow) > you place in the "L". Never place 4 cubies in the bottom face with yellow or > white! Then D, D' or D2 your bottom layer so the non white/yellow cubie is > in DLB. Now look at the DLB corner it will have a white or yellow sticker > pointing either left or back. If it's pointing left then follow the images > to find the corresponding algorithm. If it's pointing back you will find the > cases at the bottom of the page. Then go on orient and permute all pieces. A > nice thing is that the permutation step for both methods is the same. > > Another nice tutorial for Gaetan's method is here (in Swedish) > http://www.svekub.se/content/view/100/29/ > > Hope it makes sense :) > // Dennis > Visit www.cubeloop.com > > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] För agousev > Skickat: den 20 maj 2006 05:13 > Till: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Ämne: [Speed cubing group] Guimond method help > > I have tried using the Guimond system at > http://www.rubikscuberecord.com to solve a 2x2x2 cube, and I simply > can't understand the first step. Some of the algorithms work, and > others don't. I heard that the french version is more understandable, > but I unfortunately don't speak french, and an online translator > didn't help much. Help please! > Also, on a seperate but related topic, is the Guimond method the > most efficient/fastest way to solve a 2x2x2 cube? Or would a First > layer, OLL, PLL work better? > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hey everybody, > > I have recenty been speeding up my PLL recognition by recognising a > part of it during OLL recognition. Hey Joël, I have hesitated very long before deciding to comment on this post. Firstly, me giving advice to a sub15ie can easily be understood as some form of hypocrisy. Secondly, I play in princip CLL+ELL. I say "in princip", for after CLL I do not do ELL, but the analyze of the U layer must be about the same. But as I understand, the very idea in my case must - at least theoretically - be applicable in your case. Before executing the appropriate Cll alg (I have only a dozen), I observe, which edge will go to UR and with which orientation. I also observe the coming colour of URF and URB though not so important. (Once you have learnt which edge goes to UR, the recognition will soon be unconscious and take no time). Now, I have arranged all my Cll algs so, that the last move of the alg is always some R move. It means that under executing this last move, I can "quietly" read the picture(UF,UL,UB) and when the R move is done, I should be ready to execute the appropriate ELL. That´s all. Rune

Sometime very soon I am going to purchase a square-one (anyone have any suggestions on that, as well?), and need to learn a good system. Apparently Lars V. is a badass at solving it, so naturally I went to his site and found his proposed solution. However, I have no concept of the different "levels" of methods for solving square one, and his site seemed to recommend memorizing a lot of algorithms. Obviously there are different "tiers" of systems for all puzzles, such as a beginner method vs. a 4LLL vs a 2LLL, etc. I know I saw a square-one solution somewhere which said it required only 3 algorithms. I forget where it was, but I think I want to learn more a slightly better system than this, because I would be willing to put some time into memorization and practice. What system do you guys recommend in terms of a basic but GOOD way to solve the square-one? please provide links. Thanks! David --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

this has probably been asked before, so if someone already wrote some really good stuff on this, perhaps someone could help me find these posts.. anyways, my F2L usually takes between 20-30 seconds, which is obviously not very good by the standards here, and I am starting to feel very dissatisfied with it as well. The problem isn't that I dont know which moves to make, beacuse (although I dont know many "shortcuts", I can effectively utilize open slots, and I know most of the 41 "algorithms"... Most of my lost time is spent not turning the cube at all -- searching for my next move. I need to get rid of this, but I'm not sure what the best way is. Someone recommended solving each pair with eyes closed, such that I free myself from having to watch, and I can then start looking for the next one. what is the best way to work on looking ahead? thanks David --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, Start not to look at the pieces you are solving, i.e. target the next corner/edge pieces to solve WHILE your hands are solving the current corner/edge pieces. Since you know all the standard algorithms and some shortcuts you will be able to do this. I start looking at the next pair as soon as I see the pair I'm currently is solving since my finger already know what to do. Next step may be to know how your F2L algs affect certain corners and edges or learn to look on only one (or two) colors on a cubie to determine which on it is. But I'm no expert, me as well need some more hints and tricks! // Dennis visit www.cubeloop.com

Hey everyone, Ok... I'm starting to get frustrated. I'm on an adventure hunt to find some silicone spray, since I lost my last can somewhere and now don't have any. I also can't find Prestone brand silicone anymore. I called up the Prestone company's customer service line but it was after hours. I'll call back again when they are working and ask if it can be ordered over the phone. I went to two different Walmart stores, a Target, Lowes Home Improvement, Advance auto parts, and Pep Boys Auto and was not able to find a silicone spray that did not contain either Acetone or Petroleum Distillates. I was also able to find a silcone goop used for plumbing, but I would much rather have an aerosol spray than a gel. Some of the brands I saw listed the specific petroleum distillate in the mix, and I was wondering if all petroleum distillates have a tendency to eat the plastic of the cube, or only some? If only some, which ones specifically? Also, is the teflon/silicone spray ok to use on a cube, or does it also eat the plastic? My only option if petroleum distillates are not ok for using on the cube is to either order 12 cans of Snap spray online, but it appears that I have to order in bulk (12 cans), or to ask if anyone on this group has some silicone I can buy. And I really am serious about that, my area appears to not have snap or prestone silicone anywhere, and I don't want to use anything that could damage my cubes (petroleum distillates and/or acetone). Thanks for any help, Chris

Google's answers: - http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/speedcubing_tips.html - http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/faq.html - http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~jnoort/index.php?location=tutorial5 My answers: - 18 months - 2 hours/day Gilles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > this has probably been asked before, so if someone already wrote some really good stuff on this, perhaps someone could help me find these posts.. > > anyways, my F2L usually takes between 20-30 seconds, which is obviously not very good by the standards here, and I am starting to feel very dissatisfied with it as well. The problem isn't that I dont know which moves to make, beacuse (although I dont know many "shortcuts", I can effectively utilize open slots, and I know most of the 41 "algorithms"... > > Most of my lost time is spent not turning the cube at all -- searching for my next move. I need to get rid of this, but I'm not sure what the best way is. Someone recommended solving each pair with eyes closed, such that I free myself from having to watch, and I can then start looking for the next one. > > what is the best way to work on looking ahead? > > thanks > > David > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hey, come on. I've already done a non-lucky sub-16. =) Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." <mmoberly@ > > wrote: > > > > Dude. I'm LOVING the new high score thing. This is an awesome > > enhancement. Nice work!!! > > Yeah, replay is great! Macky..cough..pll skip.. cough cough.. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

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i feel kind of stupid asking this, but have any of you experienced this before? i started cubing about two months ago, and starting yesterday, after i concentrate on the cube for about twenty minutes, it starts to look really slanted when it's moving and scrambled. if i look really hard when it's complete, it looks like a normal cube. but when it moves around it looks like it's a diamond shape all over, it's really weird. have any of you ever seen your cube this way after a while? or am i just going completely crazy? thanks, tony

Hey Tony, That is so weird to see someone else write this, I've gotten this a couple of times too. I get it whenever I get "cube high". I wrote about it on my site a long time ago. Sometimes when I am especially in the zone, and am getting really good times (for me), I will see the cube slanted also. The cube slants vertically for me, so it appears to be wider left to right and shorter back to front. How does it slant for you? Chris P.S. No you're not weird in my opinion, I've had that too. But maybe you and I are weird in others' opinions ;-) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tonycheese2007" <tonycheese@...> wrote: > > i feel kind of stupid asking this, but have any of you experienced > this before? i started cubing about two months ago, and starting > yesterday, after i concentrate on the cube for about twenty minutes, > it starts to look really slanted when it's moving and scrambled. if i > look really hard when it's complete, it looks like a normal cube. but > when it moves around it looks like it's a diamond shape all over, it's > really weird. > > have any of you ever seen your cube this way after a while? or am i > just going completely crazy? > > thanks, > tony >

You're both weird. ;) -Chris On 5/20/06, cmhardw <no_reply@...m> wrote: > Hey Tony, > > That is so weird to see someone else write this, I've gotten this a > couple of times too. I get it whenever I get "cube high". I wrote > about it on my site a long time ago. > > Sometimes when I am especially in the zone, and am getting really good > times (for me), I will see the cube slanted also. > > The cube slants vertically for me, so it appears to be wider left to > right and shorter back to front. > > How does it slant for you? > > Chris > > P.S. No you're not weird in my opinion, I've had that too. But maybe > you and I are weird in others' opinions ;-) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tonycheese2007" > <tonycheese@...> wrote: > > > > i feel kind of stupid asking this, but have any of you experienced > > this before? i started cubing about two months ago, and starting > > yesterday, after i concentrate on the cube for about twenty minutes, > > it starts to look really slanted when it's moving and scrambled. if i > > look really hard when it's complete, it looks like a normal cube. but > > when it moves around it looks like it's a diamond shape all over, it's > > really weird. > > > > have any of you ever seen your cube this way after a while? or am i > > just going completely crazy? > > > > thanks, > > tony > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

oh, phew. okay well when it first slanted it, the top and front face kind of tilted to the left. so kinda like ____ \ \ \___\ except not as badly but not i'm starting to get this thing where the edges kind of curl out. like, it's like a square with circular curves on all the sides, so the corners of each face look more pointed than normal. less than 90 degree angles. it's so weird... i'm glad i'm not alone heh... tony --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey Tony, > > That is so weird to see someone else write this, I've gotten this a > couple of times too. I get it whenever I get "cube high". I wrote > about it on my site a long time ago. > > Sometimes when I am especially in the zone, and am getting really good > times (for me), I will see the cube slanted also. > > The cube slants vertically for me, so it appears to be wider left to > right and shorter back to front. > > How does it slant for you? > > Chris > > P.S. No you're not weird in my opinion, I've had that too. But maybe > you and I are weird in others' opinions ;-) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tonycheese2007" > <tonycheese@> wrote: > > > > i feel kind of stupid asking this, but have any of you experienced > > this before? i started cubing about two months ago, and starting > > yesterday, after i concentrate on the cube for about twenty minutes, > > it starts to look really slanted when it's moving and scrambled. if i > > look really hard when it's complete, it looks like a normal cube. but > > when it moves around it looks like it's a diamond shape all over, it's > > really weird. > > > > have any of you ever seen your cube this way after a while? or am i > > just going completely crazy? > > > > thanks, > > tony > > >

> P.S. No you're not weird in my opinion, I've had that too. But maybe > you and I are weird in others' opinions ;-) Two possibilities, choose the right one: 1- Because you cube too fast, too close to the speed of light, space is bending. 2- You're definitely weird. Gilles.

Hey Tony, wow this is really cool. For me it was like I had done a quarter turn of the cube counterclockwise (so that the cube is sort of diagonal with the front face on the right and the left face on the left side of the dividing line facing me (the FL edge line of the cube). From this point it was like I had taken the BR edge of the cube and squished it towards the FL edge, so that the cube ended up diamond shaped. That was the part that weirded me out when you wrote your message, because I also thought of the cube as being suddenly "diamond shaped" also. For me the feeling that the cube was somehow rotated counterclockwise just the tiniest bit was also very strong too, like I was holding the cube on a weird tilt, in addition to it appearing diamond shaped. Even though in reality I was holding the cube perfectly normal. I have never had the thing where the corners looked overly pointed, but that sounds cool too. Yeah the diamond thing for me is actually a good sign, it so far has only come when I was in a weirdly heightened state of concentration (much more than my normal). Now that this has been brought up I wonder if others have felt/had this? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tonycheese2007" <tonycheese@...> wrote: > > oh, phew. > okay well when it first slanted it, the top and front face kind of > tilted to the left. so kinda like > ____ > \ \ > \___\ except not as badly > > but not i'm starting to get this thing where the edges kind of curl > out. like, it's like a square with circular curves on all the sides, > so the corners of each face look more pointed than normal. less than > 90 degree angles. it's so weird... > > i'm glad i'm not alone heh... > > tony

haha I think I have to say that in my case it has to be option 2, I only wish I could cube in reasonable fractions of the c constant :-D Or also consider option 3: 3) The almost incomrehensibly miniscule chance that the cube would quantum tunnel out of our hands to the left 1 foot almost happened. However, it was a slightly less incomrehensibly miniscule chance that the cube just warped in shape for a few minutes instead ;-) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > > P.S. No you're not weird in my opinion, I've had that too. But maybe > > you and I are weird in others' opinions ;-) > > > Two possibilities, choose the right one: > 1- Because you cube too fast, too close to the speed of light, space is > bending. > 2- You're definitely weird. > > Gilles. >

lol well slanted cube or not, you're all weird. =) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > haha I think I have to say that in my case it has to be option 2, I > only wish I could cube in reasonable fractions of the c constant :-D > > Or also consider option 3: > > 3) The almost incomrehensibly miniscule chance that the cube would > quantum tunnel out of our hands to the left 1 foot almost happened. > However, it was a slightly less incomrehensibly miniscule chance that > the cube just warped in shape for a few minutes instead > > ;-) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > P.S. No you're not weird in my opinion, I've had that too. But maybe > > > you and I are weird in others' opinions ;-) > > > > > > Two possibilities, choose the right one: > > 1- Because you cube too fast, too close to the speed of light, space is > > bending. > > 2- You're definitely weird. > > > > Gilles. > > >

oh yeah, i forgot to say... i read your story about the cube high thing! i've gone through a couple of links at your site, actually. i don't remember seeing anything about slanted cubes, though... i have a headache tho. that might be the allergies... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > haha I think I have to say that in my case it has to be option 2, I > only wish I could cube in reasonable fractions of the c constant :-D > > Or also consider option 3: > > 3) The almost incomrehensibly miniscule chance that the cube would > quantum tunnel out of our hands to the left 1 foot almost happened. > However, it was a slightly less incomrehensibly miniscule chance that > the cube just warped in shape for a few minutes instead > > ;-) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > P.S. No you're not weird in my opinion, I've had that too. But maybe > > > you and I are weird in others' opinions ;-) > > > > > > Two possibilities, choose the right one: > > 1- Because you cube too fast, too close to the speed of light, space is > > bending. > > 2- You're definitely weird. > > > > Gilles. > > >

Hi everyone, We've successfully completed two weeks on Ryan's blindfolded contest. I posted about it on the new forum, and on the blindfolded group and we're slowly getting more people, but I wanted to let people know about it here too. The competition is entirely automated, you just submit your time and it is posted at the end of the week. http://www.ryanheise.com/competitions For those looking for a blindfolded competition this one is very nice! Chris

Hey everyone I had something kinda interesting happen while I was practicing tonight. I was doing the 4x4x4 and unknowingly had my sound on my computer speakers turned up pretty loud. Then one of the programs on my computer, during a solve, made a loud sound and it really freaked me out for a second. I was in the middle of the solve and literally jumped in my chair. Then when I realized that it was just the computer, I had the sort of rush of adrenaleine, rapid heart beat, etc. I noticed that right at that point all of a sudden I sort of went into a heightened focus on my solve. I was about half way through the solve and noticed that I sped up a really good bit from the speed I was going and finished strong with a really fast time. Anyway it was just cool how being really startled enough that I jumped made me really focus on that cube and actually speed up a lot and finish really strong. I had never had anything like that happen to me during a solve, it was really kinda cool! Chris

Haha! Yes, I saw this yesterday too. I was wondering how long it would be before someone posted it here! :) For those who haven't looked at Gilles' link yet, yes it is definitely cube related! Check out this pic of the store entry: http://tinyurl.com/hm7ss BTW, I've been away and travelling for a while, and it's proving quite a challenge to catch up on all the posts here!! Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com On Sun, 21 May 2006 01:22:05 -0000, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> said: > > http://www.apple.com/retail/fifthavenue/ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again

Hi Chris :D That's cool. But what was the time u got from that solve?? Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone I had something kinda interesting happen while I was > practicing tonight. I was doing the 4x4x4 and unknowingly had my > sound on my computer speakers turned up pretty loud. Then one of the > programs on my computer, during a solve, made a loud sound and it > really freaked me out for a second. I was in the middle of the solve > and literally jumped in my chair. Then when I realized that it was > just the computer, I had the sort of rush of adrenaleine, rapid heart > beat, etc. I noticed that right at that point all of a sudden I sort > of went into a heightened focus on my solve. I was about half way > through the solve and noticed that I sped up a really good bit from > the speed I was going and finished strong with a really fast time. > > Anyway it was just cool how being really startled enough that I jumped > made me really focus on that cube and actually speed up a lot and > finish really strong. > > I had never had anything like that happen to me during a solve, it was > really kinda cool! > > Chris >

It was 55.xx seconds, which is really good for me. The start of the solve wasn't in line with a time that fast though, it took me speeding up halfway through to get it. No sub-50 or anything amazing like that, but I was still quite happy with it :-P :-D Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi Chris :D > > That's cool. But what was the time u got from that solve?? > > Cheers! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Hey everyone I had something kinda interesting happen while I was > > practicing tonight. I was doing the 4x4x4 and unknowingly had my > > sound on my computer speakers turned up pretty loud. Then one of > the > > programs on my computer, during a solve, made a loud sound and it > > really freaked me out for a second. I was in the middle of the > solve > > and literally jumped in my chair. Then when I realized that it was > > just the computer, I had the sort of rush of adrenaleine, rapid > heart > > beat, etc. I noticed that right at that point all of a sudden I > sort > > of went into a heightened focus on my solve. I was about half way > > through the solve and noticed that I sped up a really good bit from > > the speed I was going and finished strong with a really fast time. > > > > Anyway it was just cool how being really startled enough that I > jumped > > made me really focus on that cube and actually speed up a lot and > > finish really strong. > > > > I had never had anything like that happen to me during a solve, it > was > > really kinda cool! > > > > Chris > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: cmhardw To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Getting startled during a solve It was 55.xx seconds, which is really good for me. The start of the solve wasn't in line with a time that fast though, it took me speeding up halfway through to get it. No sub-50 or anything amazing like that, but I was still quite happy with it :-P Are you waiting for 48.xx, before sending it to "Fastest Times"? R SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Are you waiting for 48.xx, before sending it to "Fastest Times"? > R Hey Rune, No I asked Ron to remove all of my records related to official categories - Richard Patterson also did the same. I did this for a number of reasons, but mainly I wanted to try to help take the focus off the unofficial records and put it more on the official records. Also I found that in training for the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 unofficial blindfolded records I was severely handicapping myself for solving those cubes blindfolded in competition. I felt that maybe training speedsolving averages of 10 for all cube sizes was doing the same for speedsolving to some extent as well. I don't expect everyone to agree with my reasons, but it is something I wanted to do. Chris

Yes, I am back to cubing almost after a month. I really enjoyed my vacation. Even I felt like chris hardwick sometime. But, I was not disturbed by any sound like you mentioned. Instead, Whenever I realise I am slower than my normal speed during any stage of solve, I am Shocked. Then suddenly, I am able to focus very well and get very good timings. J.Bernett Orlando cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hey everyone I had something kinda interesting happen while I was practicing tonight. I was doing the 4x4x4 and unknowingly had my sound on my computer speakers turned up pretty loud. Then one of the programs on my computer, during a solve, made a loud sound and it really freaked me out for a second. I was in the middle of the solve and literally jumped in my chair. Then when I realized that it was just the computer, I had the sort of rush of adrenaleine, rapid heart beat, etc. I noticed that right at that point all of a sudden I sort of went into a heightened focus on my solve. I was about half way through the solve and noticed that I sped up a really good bit from the speed I was going and finished strong with a really fast time. Anyway it was just cool how being really startled enough that I jumped made me really focus on that cube and actually speed up a lot and finish really strong. I had never had anything like that happen to me during a solve, it was really kinda cool! Chris SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Do you have a question on a topic you cant find an Answer to. Try Yahoo! Answers India Get the all new Yahoo! Messenger Beta Now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----- From: cmhardw To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Getting startled during a solve > Are you waiting for 48.xx, before sending it to "Fastest Times"? > R Hey Rune, No I asked Ron to remove all of my records related to official categories - Richard Patterson also did the same. I did this for a number of reasons, but mainly I wanted to try to help take the focus off the unofficial records and put it more on the official records. Chris I see your point. Maybe your "hidden" gesture didn´t get the attention it deserved. (And you mean of course "related to Unofficial..."). Rune SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was ranked 50 th in the month of March. Now it is 62. I have to be sub 17sec to be in the top-50. I am inspired by all of you cubers. Thanks J.Bernett Orlando --------------------------------- Do you have a question on a topic you cant find an Answer to. Try Yahoo! Answers India Get the all new Yahoo! Messenger Beta Now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you see petroleum distillates (specifically hexanes and heptanes) or acetone in the ingredient list of silicon spray, they're just used as the solvent so that the silicon can be applied in aerosol form. If you check the ingredients of SNAP silicon spray you'll see it contains petroleum distillates too. After you spray it on your cube, they evaporate, leaving the silicon lubricant behind. When you're advised not to use petroleum based stuff on your cube, that just refers to petroleum based lubricants like WD-40. In this case the lubricant itself is silicon, so you should be ok. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Ok... I'm starting to get frustrated. > > I'm on an adventure hunt to find some silicone spray, since I lost > my last can somewhere and now don't have any. > > I also can't find Prestone brand silicone anymore. I called up the > Prestone company's customer service line but it was after hours. > I'll call back again when they are working and ask if it can be > ordered over the phone. > > I went to two different Walmart stores, a Target, Lowes Home > Improvement, Advance auto parts, and Pep Boys Auto and was not able > to find a silicone spray that did not contain either Acetone or > Petroleum Distillates. I was also able to find a silcone goop used > for plumbing, but I would much rather have an aerosol spray than a > gel. > > Some of the brands I saw listed the specific petroleum distillate in > the mix, and I was wondering if all petroleum distillates have a > tendency to eat the plastic of the cube, or only some? If only > some, which ones specifically? > > Also, is the teflon/silicone spray ok to use on a cube, or does it > also eat the plastic? > > My only option if petroleum distillates are not ok for using on the > cube is to either order 12 cans of Snap spray online, but it appears > that I have to order in bulk (12 cans), or to ask if anyone on this > group has some silicone I can buy. And I really am serious about > that, my area appears to not have snap or prestone silicone > anywhere, and I don't want to use anything that could damage my > cubes (petroleum distillates and/or acetone). > > Thanks for any help, > Chris >

Chris, I ordered 3M spray from Parts Express before: http://tinyurl.com/eu95c Kinda pricey but it's 100% pure silicone. As you know I switched to oil after discovering Shock Oil (much cheaper and works better I think). I have a spare can of the 3M if you don't find anything. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Ok... I'm starting to get frustrated. > > I'm on an adventure hunt to find some silicone spray, since I lost > my last can somewhere and now don't have any. > > I also can't find Prestone brand silicone anymore. I called up the > Prestone company's customer service line but it was after hours. > I'll call back again when they are working and ask if it can be > ordered over the phone. > > I went to two different Walmart stores, a Target, Lowes Home > Improvement, Advance auto parts, and Pep Boys Auto and was not able > to find a silicone spray that did not contain either Acetone or > Petroleum Distillates. I was also able to find a silcone goop used > for plumbing, but I would much rather have an aerosol spray than a > gel. > > Some of the brands I saw listed the specific petroleum distillate in > the mix, and I was wondering if all petroleum distillates have a > tendency to eat the plastic of the cube, or only some? If only > some, which ones specifically? > > Also, is the teflon/silicone spray ok to use on a cube, or does it > also eat the plastic? > > My only option if petroleum distillates are not ok for using on the > cube is to either order 12 cans of Snap spray online, but it appears > that I have to order in bulk (12 cans), or to ask if anyone on this > group has some silicone I can buy. And I really am serious about > that, my area appears to not have snap or prestone silicone > anywhere, and I don't want to use anything that could damage my > cubes (petroleum distillates and/or acetone). > > Thanks for any help, > Chris >

Only when I smoked too much canabis. -Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tonycheese2007" <tonycheese@...> wrote: > > i feel kind of stupid asking this, but have any of you experienced > this before? i started cubing about two months ago, and starting > yesterday, after i concentrate on the cube for about twenty minutes, > it starts to look really slanted when it's moving and scrambled. if i > look really hard when it's complete, it looks like a normal cube. but > when it moves around it looks like it's a diamond shape all over, it's > really weird. > > have any of you ever seen your cube this way after a while? or am i > just going completely crazy? > > thanks, > tony >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Chris, > > I ordered 3M spray from Parts Express before: > > http://tinyurl.com/eu95c > > Kinda pricey but it's 100% pure silicone. "Pure"? Is it this one? http://tinyurl.com/h5gma Cheers! Stefan

If you could see what kind of case you have you can easy pick the alg you need the normale speed version: (Rr)2 B2 U2 (Ll) U2 (Rr)' U2 (Rr) U2 F2 (Rr) F2 (Ll)' B2 (Rr)2 the double parity fix speed version: (Rr)2 B2 U2 r2 (Ll) U2 (Rr)' U2 (Rr) U2 F2 (Rr) F2 (Ll)' B2 (Rr)2 greets ~AO --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > this is what i have came up with. > > this is the normale single parity: > (Rr)2 B2 U2 l U2 r' U2 r U2 F2 r F2 l' B2 (Rr)2 > > this is the normale switch parity: > (Rr)2 B2 U2 r2 U2 B2 (Rr)2 > > double parity: > (Rr)2 B2 U2 r2 l U2 r' U2 r U2 F2 r F2 l' B2 (Rr)2 > > as you can see its the single parity + the r2 on the 4th move > what i just did mix them :) > > you can also use it on the speed version but diffrent affect :) > > ~AO >

Hey everyone, I'll be doing a cubing event at a local fair on June 11th to raise money for a good cause. The charity is the Matty Eappen foundation, dedicated to prevention of shaken baby syndrome. For more info on this, see www.mattyeappen.org. I will cube for 2 hours and see how many I can solve. Please sponsor me at the following link: www.firstgiving.com/andycamann Anything you can contribute will be appreciated. Thanks. Andy http://andyscubepage.tk

Hey Chris, I have a can of Prestone spray silicone if you need it. I used it once and didn't care for it. I too switched to oil ;) If you want the can of Prestone, email me. Jon http://www.nascarjon.us

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "rubiks1938" <rubiks1938@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > I'll be doing a cubing event at a local fair on June 11th to raise money for a good cause. The > charity is the Matty Eappen foundation, dedicated to prevention of shaken baby syndrome. > For more info on this, see www.mattyeappen.org. > > I will cube for 2 hours and see how many I can solve. > > Please sponsor me at the following link: > > www.firstgiving.com/andycamann > > Anything you can contribute will be appreciated. Thanks. > > Andy > > http://andyscubepage.tk > Hey Andy, i also thought of a fund raising event by doing rubik's cube in Singapore. ( i have been cubing like less than 2 months getting times like 1:16 - 1:30) but the idea of the event is to let the general public bring their cubes to us and we solve it for them and they can make a donation kinda thing. haha.,. wat do u think? Jeremy

Hi everyone, Does anybody know if the standard 3x3x3 cubes from rubiks.com have flat centers or arched centers? I really prefer flat centers but they're so hard to find anymore. By the way, I haven't posted here in a while, hopefully some of you remember me. I've been pretty inactive in terms of my cubing for a few months, but seeing some of the great times being posted has motivated me to drop my average to sub 15. Hopefully I can achieve this before US Nationals! -Jason

On 5/22/06, jeremy_tkr <jeremy_tkr@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "rubiks1938" > <rubiks1938@...> wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I'll be doing a cubing event at a local fair on June 11th to raise > money for a good cause. The > > charity is the Matty Eappen foundation, dedicated to prevention of > shaken baby syndrome. > > For more info on this, see www.mattyeappen.org. > > > > I will cube for 2 hours and see how many I can solve. > > > > Please sponsor me at the following link: > > > > www.firstgiving.com/andycamann > > > > Anything you can contribute will be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Andy > > > > http://andyscubepage.tk > > > > Hey Andy, > > i also thought of a fund raising event by doing rubik's cube in > Singapore. ( i have been cubing like less than 2 months getting > times like 1:16 - 1:30) but the idea of the event is to let the > general public bring their cubes to us and we solve it for them and > they can make a donation kinda thing. haha.,. wat do u think? Great idea! I'm from Sweden, but I'm going to Singapore sometime between July 20 and Aug 3 this summer, to visit a friend of mine. Any chance the event could be held sometime during this period? I'm a pretty new cuber too, with averages in the 40s and a PB (from yesterday!) of 35.86, but I should be able to get some cubes "sold" ;) Best regards, Aron Stansvik

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Chris, > > > > I ordered 3M spray from Parts Express before: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/eu95c > > > > Kinda pricey but it's 100% pure silicone. > > > "Pure"? Is it this one? > http://tinyurl.com/h5gma > > Cheers! > Stefan > Is that one any good? I plan on getting it when I come to the US.

Hey, look at how they put the tiles: http://www.luxist.com/media/2006/05/cube6.jpg That's what I was thinking when I proposed this: http://games.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/photos/vie\ w/1196?b=5 But they forgot the hole for easy removal :-) Gilles.

If you don't yet have a Square 1, it seems much too early to be visiting solution sites, or contemplating speed solving. ;) However... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > I know I saw a square-one solution somewhere which said it required only 3 algorithms. There is Ron's (4 algorithms): http://www.speedcubing.com/square1.html > What system do you guys recommend in terms of a basic but GOOD way to solve the square-one? If you get very stuck, try Jaap's page for a variety of approaches: http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/square1.htm There are a couple that should be suitable for speed solving. But you don't need to learn many sequences to average below 1min; just build up complex cases from the few that you've learnt sequences for. Mike

Hey, an extremely great idea! It will help the charity and also will help increase the awareness about cubing. Do let us know how it goes. Sachin. On 5/22/06, rubiks1938 <rubiks1938@...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'll be doing a cubing event at a local fair on June 11th to raise money for a good cause. The > charity is the Matty Eappen foundation, dedicated to prevention of shaken baby syndrome. > For more info on this, see www.mattyeappen.org. > > I will cube for 2 hours and see how many I can solve. > > Please sponsor me at the following link: > > www.firstgiving.com/andycamann > > Anything you can contribute will be appreciated. Thanks. > > Andy > > http://andyscubepage.tk > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

This would be great for practicing OLL cases, etc... could we have a "freestyle" mode where we can just play with the cube instead of completing a solve? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Here's a speed cubing "simulator" (for office use): > > > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > > > > >

Great idea, and for a great cause. I'm happy to support it. Good luck! --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sachin Shirwalkar" <sachinss@...> wrote: > > Hey, an extremely great idea! > > It will help the charity and also will help increase the awareness about cubing. > > Do let us know how it goes. > > Sachin. > > On 5/22/06, rubiks1938 <rubiks1938@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > I'll be doing a cubing event at a local fair on June 11th to raise money for a good cause. The > > charity is the Matty Eappen foundation, dedicated to prevention of shaken baby syndrome. > > For more info on this, see www.mattyeappen.org. > > > > I will cube for 2 hours and see how many I can solve. > > > > Please sponsor me at the following link: > > > > www.firstgiving.com/andycamann > > > > Anything you can contribute will be appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Andy > > > > http://andyscubepage.tk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

that would solve one of the big problems i have with tiles--I've had a couple of injuries where the sharp corner of a tile jams under my index fingernail during a solve. It's drawn blood on more than one occasion. Does that happen to anyone else? Any of those cubes in production anywhere? --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > Hey, look at how they put the tiles: > http://www.luxist.com/media/2006/05/cube6.jpg > > That's what I was thinking when I proposed this: > http://games.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/photos/ vie\ > w/1196?b=5 > > But they forgot the hole for easy removal :-) > > Gilles. >

Hi everyone, The results for the FMC#106 are now available from the new FMC Pages. just go to http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/index.php?page=fmc/fmc and select the FMC Archive from the drop down list! Check them out to see how well everybody did! A new challenge has also been launched, the 107th FMC (22/05/06). Hope to see you all there, best of luck! Dan Harris :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've had such a problem quite a few times. The solution is simple : no tiles, no short nails. And now : no more problem :D Gilles.Be 2006/5/22, kirk83616 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > that would solve one of the big problems i have with tiles--I've had > a couple of injuries where the sharp corner of a tile jams under my > index fingernail during a solve. It's drawn blood on more than one > occasion. Does that happen to anyone else? > > Any of those cubes in production anywhere? > > --Kirk > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hey, look at how they put the tiles: > > http://www.luxist.com/media/2006/05/cube6.jpg > > > > That's what I was thinking when I proposed this: > > > http://games.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/photos/ > vie\ > > w/1196?b=5 > > > > But they forgot the hole for easy removal :-) > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I had that issue with the original Cubesmith tiles (with pointy corners), but after he rounded the corners I haven't drawn a drop ;-) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kirk83616 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > that would solve one of the big problems i have with tiles--I've had > a couple of injuries where the sharp corner of a tile jams under my > index fingernail during a solve. It's drawn blood on more than one > occasion. Does that happen to anyone else? > > Any of those cubes in production anywhere? > > --Kirk > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey, look at how they put the tiles: > > http://www.luxist.com/media/2006/05/cube6.jpg > > > > That's what I was thinking when I proposed this: > > > http://games.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/photos/ > vie\ > > w/1196?b=5 > > > > But they forgot the hole for easy removal :-) > > > > Gilles. > > >

About 7 months ago, I orderd a "blank" 3x3x3 (no stickers, but assembled) and it was old stock flat-centered. However I think all the packaged ones are arched now. The DIY definitely are arched (including white now). Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Baum" <speedrunningcuber@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Does anybody know if the standard 3x3x3 cubes from rubiks.com have > flat centers or arched centers? I really prefer flat centers but > they're so hard to find anymore. > > By the way, I haven't posted here in a while, hopefully some of you > remember me. I've been pretty inactive in terms of my cubing for a > few months, but seeing some of the great times being posted has > motivated me to drop my average to sub 15. Hopefully I can achieve > this before US Nationals! > > -Jason >

i, too, had more frequent problems with the older tiles. Don't think i've drawn blood with the newer ones, but i still get them caught occasionally. I'd love it if someone made a cube with those embedded tiles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I had that issue with the original Cubesmith tiles (with pointy > corners), but after he rounded the corners I haven't drawn a drop ;-) > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kirk83616 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > that would solve one of the big problems i have with tiles--I've > had > > a couple of injuries where the sharp corner of a tile jams under > my > > index fingernail during a solve. It's drawn blood on more than > one > > occasion. Does that happen to anyone else? > > > > Any of those cubes in production anywhere? > > > > --Kirk > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey, look at how they put the tiles: > > > http://www.luxist.com/media/2006/05/cube6.jpg > > > > > > That's what I was thinking when I proposed this: > > > > > > http://games.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/photos/ > > vie\ > > > w/1196?b=5 > > > > > > But they forgot the hole for easy removal :-) > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Baum" <speedrunningcuber@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Does anybody know if the standard 3x3x3 cubes from rubiks.com have > flat centers or arched centers? I really prefer flat centers but > they're so hard to find anymore. > > By the way, I haven't posted here in a while, hopefully some of you > remember me. I've been pretty inactive in terms of my cubing for a > few months, but seeing some of the great times being posted has > motivated me to drop my average to sub 15. Hopefully I can achieve > this before US Nationals! > > -Jason To my knowledge, the cubes on sale at Rubiksdotcom are all arched. The only official Rubik's brand cubes made today without arches are the Rubik's Studio cubes. You need to work on them a little so that the caps don't fall off and the screws don't unscrew while you're solving. The plastic is excellent. Older cubes from Ideal are mostly flat under the centers. Some of the ones with the square white logo sticker on top of the center white sticker are arched. Maybe you simply never had a good arched cube. Cheers, David J

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > [snip]. > - A2=A3=A4=A5 > - H2=H4 > - H3=H5 > 6x8 - 5 clones = 43 > > The cases have been available on many sites for many years > (speedcubing.com for example), why are we still counting them? :-) > > Gilles. > The first time I looked online for how many cases there were the page said 25; that was a few years ago. The second page said 25 the third had 30-some the fourth had more. More recently I ran across page reading 43 cases. Who to trust? I asked a few times and was either ignored shown the 25 cases page. All that I do on the cube I work out myself. This means I wan't checking other people's algorithms until I had a full set. When I wrote mine down I made sure that I had all the cases, I wasn't looking for accidental duplication. I showed the page to several people before making it public and they didn't catch it either. Oh, well... Anyway, that's why I was still counting them. Cheers, David J

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_salvia" <d_j_salvia@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > [snip]. > > - A2=A3=A4=A5 > > - H2=H4 > > - H3=H5 > > 6x8 - 5 clones = 43 > > > > The cases have been available on many sites for many years > > (speedcubing.com for example), why are we still counting them? :-) > > > > Gilles. > > > > The first time I looked online for how many cases there were the page > said 25; that was a few years ago. The second page said 25 the third > had 30-some the fourth had more. More recently I ran across page > reading 43 cases. Who to trust? - An exhaustive list obviously contains 4!.3^3 cases. - If adjustments of U (before and after the sequence) are free, the list is much shorter (43). - If you forget about symmetrical cases, it's even less. - And the shortest list of cases that includes only perfectly unique unsolved cases (removing cases identical through U adjustments, symmetries, and reversed sequences) has only 24 cases (see Helmstetter's for example). --> I know some sites have mistakes, but it depends on what you're looking for too. Gilles. > I asked a few times and was either > ignored shown the 25 cases page. > All that I do on the cube I work out myself. This means I wan't > checking other people's algorithms until I had a full set. > > When I wrote mine down I made sure that I had all the cases, I wasn't > looking for accidental duplication. I showed the page to several > people before making it public and they didn't catch it either. Oh, > well... > > Anyway, that's why I was still counting them. > > Cheers, > > David J >

I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. ~Thom

Very Very nice...I like it... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > ~Thom >

It's a massive 4-4-2-2 edge cycle for BLD! Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 23, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > Very Very nice...I like it... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@...> wrote: >> >> I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; >> >> L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' >> >> I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. >> >> ~Thom >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hello 4x and 5x solvers -- I'm working on where to concentrate to improve my 4x and 5x times, and wondering how others who use the same approach end up in terms of time for various steps. I do both as: group centers, match edges, solve like a 3x, fix any parity. For 4x, I'm at: Group Centers: 30 seconds Match Edges: 1 minute 15 seconds Solve like 3x: 1 minute Fix Parity: 10-15 seconds This leaves me right around 3 minute range, depending on brain awareness and if any step goes faster. It feels like the slow step is edge matching - I used to do one edge pair at a time (averaging about 2:45 for overall solve) and am now working on doing 2 edge pairs at a time (so overall time hasn't changed much). For 5x, I'm at: Group Centers: 3 minutes Match Edges: 3 minutes Solve like 3x: 90 seconds Fix any Parity: 15 seconds Total time just about 8 minutes. Center matching feels like the slow step here. So, how does your 4x and 5x time break down? I'm especially interested in hearing from top solvers (like 4x in 1:15 or less and 5x in 4 minutes or less). Thanks! yeff

I'm nothing special...but... 4x4: Centers: 25-30 Edges: 30-40? 3x3: 30-40 Parities: 10ish My times range from 1:30 to 2:00 5x5: Centers: 55-60 Edges: 1:30 - 1:50 (this includes paritites and solving all edges) 3x3: 40-55 My PB is 2:50, so that would be like 50 centers, 1:30 edges, 40 3x3? ish But yah, thats just me, my 4x4 centers need to be better... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@...> wrote: > > Hello 4x and 5x solvers -- > > I'm working on where to concentrate to improve my 4x and 5x times, > and wondering how others who use the same approach end up in terms > of time for various steps. > > I do both as: group centers, match edges, solve like a 3x, fix any > parity. > > For 4x, I'm at: > > Group Centers: 30 seconds > Match Edges: 1 minute 15 seconds > Solve like 3x: 1 minute > Fix Parity: 10-15 seconds > > This leaves me right around 3 minute range, depending on brain > awareness and if any step goes faster. It feels like the slow step > is edge matching - I used to do one edge pair at a time (averaging > about 2:45 for overall solve) and am now working on doing 2 edge > pairs at a time (so overall time hasn't changed much). > > For 5x, I'm at: > > Group Centers: 3 minutes > Match Edges: 3 minutes > Solve like 3x: 90 seconds > Fix any Parity: 15 seconds > > Total time just about 8 minutes. Center matching feels like the slow > step here. > > So, how does your 4x and 5x time break down? I'm especially > interested in hearing from top solvers (like 4x in 1:15 or less and > 5x in 4 minutes or less). > > Thanks! > > yeff >

It also puts at least one sticker of each color on each face. But if Tyson says it's useful for BLD, then I believe him! Ian --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > It's a massive 4-4-2-2 edge cycle for BLD! > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On May 23, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > Very Very nice...I like it... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > >> > >> I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > >> > >> L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > >> > >> I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > >> > >> ~Thom > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hello everyone, I would just like to update everyone who is coming on the current status of this competition. The competition will be in the community room. The door is in the Lord & Taylor's court across from Ruby Tuesdays. The mall prohibts me from puting signs to direct you, but I will tell the customer service desk to direct you if you can't find it. Also, the schedule has been updated. http://cube.ionws.com/peter/Misc/schedule.txt The biggest update is the break for lunch. You have an hour for lunch, and the last 10 min will be magic and master magic. I also rearranged the schedule a bit. If you have any questions or comments email me back at pjgat09@...m I wish all of you coming good luck, and I would also like to wish those going to San Diego good luck. I can't wait to see you all here. Peter Greenwood

I'm quite excited for this contest. Except for the fact that I've spent so much time on magic + master magic that I'm completely out of shape on the cube events. So, who's going? 1. Tim Reynolds-USA-3x3, 3x3 OH, 3x3 BLD, 4x4, magic, master magic 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > I would just like to update everyone who is coming on the current > status of this competition. The competition will be in the community > room. The door is in the Lord & Taylor's court across from Ruby > Tuesdays. The mall prohibts me from puting signs to direct you, but I > will tell the customer service desk to direct you if you can't find it. > Also, the schedule has been updated. > http://cube.ionws.com/peter/Misc/schedule.txt > The biggest update is the break for lunch. You have an hour for lunch, > and the last 10 min will be magic and master magic. I also rearranged > the schedule a bit. If you have any questions or comments email me > back at pjgat09@... > > I wish all of you coming good luck, and I would also like to wish > those going to San Diego good luck. I can't wait to see you all here. > > Peter Greenwood >

1. Tim Reynolds-USA-3x3, 3x3 OH, 3x3 BLD, 4x4, magic, master magic 2. Anthony Hsu-USA-3x3, 3x3 OH, 3x3 BLD, 4x4, 5x5, 2x2 (if time permits) 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10.

1. Tim Reynolds-USA-3x3, 3x3 OH, 3x3 BLD, 4x4, magic, master magic 2. Anthony Hsu-USA-3x3, 3x3 OH, 3x3 BLD, 4x4, 5x5, 2x2 3. Bob Burton-USA-all puzzles 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10.

wait wait wait, do i apply it to a solved cube? Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: Very Very nice...I like it... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > ~Thom > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Apply the *inverse* to a solved cube to see what case the algorithm solves. At least that's what I did first of course. Grrr. Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Trujillo <m_trujillo_t@...> wrote: > > wait wait wait, do i apply it to a solved cube? > > Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: Very Very nice...I like it... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > > > ~Thom

Yes I agree. I made up my own method for solving 5x5 centers. It's really slow, yet I'm sub 2:30 at it. http://www.bigcubes.com has a good centers tut, but I'm not going to use it until I get some lube. : P Where I die is steps 2 and 3; 7:30 on it put together. (commuters and keyhole) And I don't own a 4x4 yet. -Tim > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" > <yeff@> wrote: > > > > Hello 4x and 5x solvers -- > > > > I'm working on where to concentrate to improve my 4x and 5x times, > > and wondering how others who use the same approach end up in terms > > of time for various steps. > > > > I do both as: group centers, match edges, solve like a 3x, fix any > > parity. > > > > For 4x, I'm at: > > > > Group Centers: 30 seconds > > Match Edges: 1 minute 15 seconds > > Solve like 3x: 1 minute > > Fix Parity: 10-15 seconds > > > > This leaves me right around 3 minute range, depending on brain > > awareness and if any step goes faster. It feels like the slow step > > is edge matching - I used to do one edge pair at a time (averaging > > about 2:45 for overall solve) and am now working on doing 2 edge > > pairs at a time (so overall time hasn't changed much). > > > > For 5x, I'm at: > > > > Group Centers: 3 minutes > > Match Edges: 3 minutes > > Solve like 3x: 90 seconds > > Fix any Parity: 15 seconds > > > > Total time just about 8 minutes. Center matching feels like the slow > > step here. > > > > So, how does your 4x and 5x time break down? I'm especially > > interested in hearing from top solvers (like 4x in 1:15 or less and > > 5x in 4 minutes or less). > > > > Thanks! > > > > yeff > > >

STAGE 4*4*4 CUBE 5*5*5 CUBE 1). centers 13 - 18 sec 35 - 50 sec 2). edges pairing up 25 - 35 sec 60 - 90 sec 3). 3*3*3 25 - 40 sec 25 - 30 sec This is what I got yesterday, when I restarted my cubing after a month long complete break. My fingers are not moving swiftly because my look ahead is not so good as before. J,Bernett Orlando Timothy Sun <linkpoke@ya hoo.com> wrote: Yes I agree. I made up my own method for solving 5x5 centers. It's really slow, yet I'm sub 2:30 at it. http://www.bigcubes.com has a good centers tut, but I'm not going to use it until I get some lube. : P Where I die is steps 2 and 3; 7:30 on it put together. (commuters and keyhole) And I don't own a 4x4 yet. -Tim > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" > <yeff@> wrote: > > > > Hello 4x and 5x solvers -- > > > > I'm working on where to concentrate to improve my 4x and 5x times, > > and wondering how others who use the same approach end up in terms > > of time for various steps. > > > > I do both as: group centers, match edges, solve like a 3x, fix any > > parity. > > > > For 4x, I'm at: > > > > Group Centers: 30 seconds > > Match Edges: 1 minute 15 seconds > > Solve like 3x: 1 minute > > Fix Parity: 10-15 seconds > > > > This leaves me right around 3 minute range, depending on brain > > awareness and if any step goes faster. It feels like the slow step > > is edge matching - I used to do one edge pair at a time (averaging > > about 2:45 for overall solve) and am now working on doing 2 edge > > pairs at a time (so overall time hasn't changed much). > > > > For 5x, I'm at: > > > > Group Centers: 3 minutes > > Match Edges: 3 minutes > > Solve like 3x: 90 seconds > > Fix any Parity: 15 seconds > > > > Total time just about 8 minutes. Center matching feels like the slow > > step here. > > > > So, how does your 4x and 5x time break down? I'm especially > > interested in hearing from top solvers (like 4x in 1:15 or less and > > 5x in 4 minutes or less). > > > > Thanks! > > > > yeff > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers Share what your know-how and wisdom Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

1. Tim Reynolds-USA-3x3, 3x3 OH, 3x3 BLD, 4x4, magic, master magic 2. Anthony Hsu-USA-3x3, 3x3 OH, 3x3 BLD, 4x4, 5x5, 2x2 3. Bob Burton-USA-all puzzles 4. Craig Bouchard - Canada - all - Bob's competing even tho he's a judge ?? sweet...Anthony, we shall meet again... 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10.

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Hi guys!! Everyone knows it's a serious offense to be speed-cubing with long fingernails. So blame urselves if u hurt urselves or damage ur tiles or stickers cause of that ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > Hey, look at how they put the tiles: > http://www.luxist.com/media/2006/05/cube6.jpg > > That's what I was thinking when I proposed this: > http://games.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/photos/ vie\ > w/1196?b=5 > > But they forgot the hole for easy removal :-) > > Gilles. >

Am I so dumb that I can't do the right alg? or is this really useful? if I do the inverse (or the actual alg), I just see a scrambled cube... Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: Apply the *inverse* to a solved cube to see what case the algorithm solves. At least that's what I did first of course. Grrr. Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Trujillo <m_trujillo_t@...> wrote: > > wait wait wait, do i apply it to a solved cube? > > Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: Very Very nice...I like it... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > > > ~Thom SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah dont worry about that pedro i dont get it either my friend, or is that just a way to solve a cube thats randomized in that pattern so you can get a less than 10 move solve? Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: Am I so dumb that I can't do the right alg? or is this really useful? if I do the inverse (or the actual alg), I just see a scrambled cube... Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: Apply the *inverse* to a solved cube to see what case the algorithm solves. At least that's what I did first of course. Grrr. Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Trujillo <m_trujillo_t@...> wrote: > > wait wait wait, do i apply it to a solved cube? > > Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: Very Very nice...I like it... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > > > ~Thom SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I see two points of interest... every face has all 6 colors on it and no two adjacent cubie faces are the same color. It is a nice algorithm for creating a very "scrambled-looking" cube. I suppose this could be used for a speedsolving trick to entertain non-cubers, but ultimately I just like it for aesthetic reasons. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Trujillo <m_trujillo_t@...> wrote: > > Yeah dont worry about that pedro i dont get it either my friend, or is that just a way to solve a cube thats randomized in that pattern so you can get a less than 10 move solve? > > Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: Am I so dumb that I can't do the right alg? or is this really useful? if I do the inverse (or the actual alg), I just see a scrambled cube... > > Pedro > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: > Apply the *inverse* to a solved cube to see what case the algorithm > solves. At least that's what I did first of course. Grrr. > > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Marcus Trujillo > <m_trujillo_t@> wrote: > > > > wait wait wait, do i apply it to a solved cube? > > > > Craig Bouchard <logitewty@> wrote: Very Very nice...I like it... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > > > > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > > > > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

When I first looked at it I saw that it solves a Sune on each side. But, I didn't notice that it had each color on every face. Also, do it twice...pretty neat. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Very Very nice...I like it... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > > > ~Thom > > >

What ever happened to the DIY white cubes? They don't sell it anymore.

Do it 4 times, even neater... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "athefre" <athefre@...> wrote: > > When I first looked at it I saw that it solves a Sune on each side. > But, I didn't notice that it had each color on every face. > > Also, do it twice...pretty neat. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Very Very nice...I like it... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > > > > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > > > > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > >

Yeah i know man i like white a lot better than silver but, man they dont sell em thats really weak darereck <darereck@...> wrote: What ever happened to the DIY white cubes? They don't sell it anymore. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > 4. Craig Bouchard - Canada - all - Bob's competing even tho he's a > judge ?? sweet...Anthony, we shall meet again... I will only be judging after my solves. It's not like I'm going to scramble my own cube and then judge myself. :P ~ Bob

I think he meant the white plastic cubes... Marcus Trujillo <m_trujillo_t@yahoo.com> escreveu: Yeah i know man i like white a lot better than silver but, man they dont sell em thats really weak darereck <darereck@...> wrote: What ever happened to the DIY white cubes? They don't sell it anymore. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "darereck" <darereck@...> wrote: > > What ever happened to the DIY white cubes? They don't sell it anymore. > Hmmm... That is strange. They just recently improved them, too. Weird that they'd be gone, huh? Chris

hey everyone. I know of a couple poeple going to Trumbull... Jeffrey Bergman 2x2 3x3 4x4 3x3 ON Magic Bryan Mytko 2x2 3x3 4x4 5x5 3x3 ON 3x3 BLD Magic Justin Medoy 2x2 3x3 4x4 3x3 ON Magic David Bergman 2x2 3x3 4x4 5x5 3x3 ON 3x3 BLD Will 3x3 Daniel Buckley 3x3 Eileen Busch 2x2 3x3 4x4 3x3 ON There may be a few others coming and I will send out the posting later.

That really sucks... I was just about to get one for building my own domino. Maybe there just wasn't enough interest in it? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "darereck" > <darereck@> wrote: > > > > What ever happened to the DIY white cubes? They don't sell it > anymore. > > > > Hmmm... That is strange. They just recently improved them, too. > Weird that they'd be gone, huh? > > Chris >

Well they always limited you to 2 per order. I probably would've got more at a time. So they limited their own interest. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > That really sucks... I was just about to get one for building my own > domino. Maybe there just wasn't enough interest in it? >

Oh man! I've been reading about blindfold solving for a few weeks now, and trying out the moves and methods without actually doing it fully. Well, this morning I decided to just go for it and see what happens. I was so nervous when I put it down, because I had 2 pairs of corners, and I had screwed that up the other day when I was trying things out. But lo, did my eyes witness a beautiful sight indeed when I stopped the timer! Not only that, but my time was 13:17.75, with about 6:40 or so to memorize and about 6:40 to solve. I'm very happy that not only was it successful, but it was well below my aim of 20 minutes. Much thanks to Macky, whose page about blindfold solving was the one I read the most thoroughly and helped the most. Also, to anyone who attempted blindfold solving at the Horace Mann competition last year, because that was where I first saw blindfolding, and it definitly inspired me even though it took me a year to get around to trying it. -Chris Parlette

Hello everybody, I made a small web-application that translates sequences as: L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' to a array of images. So you can easily practice a move without hard to read letters :) You can find it at http://wistniksbeters.net/rubiks/sequencetoimages.php?sequence=L%20R2%20B2%20F2%20D'%20U'%20L' As you can see it explains itself :)

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "de_keijzer" <deKeijzer@...> wrote: > > Hello everybody, I made a small web-application that translates > sequences as: L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' to a array of images. > So you can easily practice a move without hard to read letters :) > You can find it at > http://wistniksbeters.net/rubiks/sequencetoimages.php?sequence=L% 20R2%20B2%20F2%20D'%20U'%20L' > > As you can see it explains itself :) > Oh my god I love you forever.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "de_keijzer" > <deKeijzer@> wrote: > > > > Hello everybody, I made a small web-application that translates > > sequences as: L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' to a array of images. > > So you can easily practice a move without hard to read letters :) > > You can find it at > > http://wistniksbeters.net/rubiks/sequencetoimages.php?sequence=L% > 20R2%20B2%20F2%20D'%20U'%20L' > > > > As you can see it explains itself :) > > > > Oh my god I love you forever. > That's odd. After playing with it for a few mins and inserting things like <noframes> it eventually began to parse the HTML O_o. ~Thom

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "de_keijzer" <deKeijzer@...> wrote: > > Hello everybody, I made a small web-application that translates > sequences as: L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' to a array of images. > So you can easily practice a move without hard to read letters :) > You can find it at > http://wistniksbeters.net/rubiks/sequencetoimages.php?sequence=L%20R2%20B2%20F2%20D'%20U'%20L' > > As you can see it explains itself :) > Or, use http://vanderblonk.com/cube/cubeapplet.asp?alg=LR2B2F2D'U'L' which also explains itself. Agreed, your method is suitable for putting up lightweight images on a website, but for learning purposes I always enjoy applets. Oh, and: http://vanderblonk.com/cube/cubeapplet.asp?alg=LR2B2F2D'U'L'&type=Generator to start with a solved cube Michiel

OH this might be bad news for all of you i guess. i just emailed rubiks.com regarding info about the white cubes. guess wat? "The white kits are no longer in production and no more stock is available." gosh.,. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "darereck" <darereck@...> wrote: > > What ever happened to the DIY white cubes? They don't sell it anymore. >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "de_keijzer" > > <deKeijzer@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everybody, I made a small web-application that translates > > > sequences as: L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' to a array of images. > > > So you can easily practice a move without hard to read letters :) > > > You can find it at > > > http://wistniksbeters.net/rubiks/sequencetoimages.php?sequence=L% > > 20R2%20B2%20F2%20D'%20U'%20L' > > > > > > As you can see it explains itself :) > > > > > > > Oh my god I love you forever. > > > > That's odd. After playing with it for a few mins and inserting things > like <noframes> it eventually began to parse the HTML O_o. > > ~Thom Nothing odd at all, just a small update from my side ;) I just added a small htmlentities() :). Just to keep it safe :D

Great! More people than I expected! Be sure they register here: http://www.rival.ionws.com/misc/competition/ It will make registration on Saturday much faster. Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xcstarj" <xcstarj@...> wrote: > > hey everyone. I know of a couple poeple going to Trumbull... > > Jeffrey Bergman 2x2 3x3 4x4 3x3 ON Magic > Bryan Mytko 2x2 3x3 4x4 5x5 3x3 ON 3x3 BLD Magic > Justin Medoy 2x2 3x3 4x4 3x3 ON Magic > David Bergman 2x2 3x3 4x4 5x5 3x3 ON 3x3 BLD > Will 3x3 > Daniel Buckley 3x3 > Eileen Busch 2x2 3x3 4x4 3x3 ON > > There may be a few others coming and I will send out the posting later. >

Thats really sweet! Except, f turns only one layer, not the outer and slice. Besides that, its really awesome. Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "de_keijzer" <deKeijzer@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "de_keijzer" > > > <deKeijzer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello everybody, I made a small web-application that translates > > > > sequences as: L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' to a array of images. > > > > So you can easily practice a move without hard to read letters :) > > > > You can find it at > > > > http://wistniksbeters.net/rubiks/sequencetoimages.php?sequence=L% > > > 20R2%20B2%20F2%20D'%20U'%20L' > > > > > > > > As you can see it explains itself :) > > > > > > > > > > Oh my god I love you forever. > > > > > > > That's odd. After playing with it for a few mins and inserting things > > like <noframes> it eventually began to parse the HTML O_o. > > > > ~Thom > > Nothing odd at all, just a small update from my side ;) I just added a > small htmlentities() :). Just to keep it safe :D >

Look at olympicube.com for videos of the solving and comments by frank. Apparently it's out soon! :D 5x5x5 aswell :) Now I'm excited :) ~Thom

Man that's sweet. I've gotta have one...or two...of each. -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > Look at olympicube.com for videos of the solving and comments by frank. > > Apparently it's out soon! :D > > 5x5x5 aswell :) > > Now I'm excited :) > > ~Thom >

How do I find the derivative of sin(pi*x) with respect to x specifically using the following limit? : limit as t approaches x of [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) or in shorter form: lim(t->x) [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) I know the result when you take the derivative with respect to x, but how do I prove it using that particular limit? I can't figure it out. I've already proven lim(h->0) [(sin(pi*(x+h))-sin(pi*x)]/(h) = pi*cos(pi*x) but I can't figure it out using the lim(t->x) instead. Thanks for any help, Chris

As far as I remember, this is the exact definition of the derivative of a fonction : lim(x->a) = ( f(x)-f(a) ) / (x - a) But unfortunately I do not know how to demonstrate this :-( Sorry, Gilles 2006/5/26, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > How do I find the derivative of sin(pi*x) with respect to x > specifically using the following limit? : > > limit as t approaches x of [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) > > or in shorter form: > lim(t->x) [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) > > I know the result when you take the derivative with respect to x, but > how do I prove it using that particular limit? I can't figure it out. > > I've already proven lim(h->0) [(sin(pi*(x+h))-sin(pi*x)]/(h) = > pi*cos(pi*x) but I can't figure it out using the lim(t->x) instead. > > Thanks for any help, > Chris > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

notice, lim(h->0) of f(h) = lim(t->x) of f(t-x). Then lim(t->x) [sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) becomes (upon setting h = t-x) lim(h->0) of [sin(pi*(h+x))-sin(pi*x)]/h] = pi*cos(pi*x) and you've already proved that one. That's playing a little fast and loose with notation, should be using x0's and whatnot then generalizing, but you get the idea... I'm sure someone on the board can tell me how I didn't do this right... -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > How do I find the derivative of sin(pi*x) with respect to x > specifically using the following limit? : > > limit as t approaches x of [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) > > or in shorter form: > lim(t->x) [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) > > I know the result when you take the derivative with respect to x, but > how do I prove it using that particular limit? I can't figure it out. > > I've already proven lim(h->0) [(sin(pi*(x+h))-sin(pi*x)]/(h) = > pi*cos(pi*x) but I can't figure it out using the lim(t->x) instead. > > Thanks for any help, > Chris >

well i hate to do this too, but here goes...i'll be in phoenix sunday/monday for business trip and i was wondering if there are any cubers out there, i think i should have some free time so it would be cool to get together with anyone from down there and do some cubing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There is a very simple rule to actually solve that limit. It's called the "Hospital's Rule" (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LHospitalsRule.html) and it goes as follow in our case: Let's put f(t) = sin(pi*t) - sin(pi*x) and g(t) = t-x Then lim_{t->x} f(x)/g(x) = lim_{t->x} f'(x)/g'(x) = lim_{t->x} pi*cos(pi*t) = pi*cos(pi*x) Proving the "Hospital's Rule" is also very simple: if lim_{x->c} f(x) = 0 and lim_{x->c} g(x) = 0, then f(x)/g(x) = f(x)-f(c) / g(x)-g(c) = (f(x)-f(c))/(x-c) / (g(x)-g(c))/(x-c) Taking the limit: lim_{x->c} f(x)/g(x) = lim_{x->c} (f(x)-f(c))/(x-c) / (g(x)-g(c))/(x-c) = lim_{x->c} f'(x)/g'(x) as lim_{x->c} (f(x)-f(c))/(x-c) is the definition of the derivative at c of f(x). I guess it is pretty much complete... Sven

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Thats really sweet! Except, f turns only one layer, not the outer and > slice. Besides that, its really awesome. > > Peter Greenwood What do you mean? http://wistniksbeters.net/rubiks/sequencetoimages.php?sequence=f F stands for front if I`m not mistaking. At least on the sits that I`ve read so far.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > There is a very simple rule to actually solve that limit. It's called > the "Hospital's Rule" So, you think you like l'Hopital's rule? Try using it on this problem: Evaluate lim(x->0) of f(x)/g(x) where f(x) = arcsin[arctan(x)] - arctan[arcsin(x)] g(x) = sin[tan(x)] - tan[sin(x)] Yes, there is an easier way than using l'Hopital's rule to find the limit in this case. I'll leave that as a puzzle. :D Mike

I said that "There is a very simple rule to solve that limit", I didn't say that L'Hospital's rule was usable for every limit where f(0)=0 and g(0)=0. BTW, lim(x->0) of f(x)/g(x) where f(x) = arcsin[arctan(x)] - arctan[arcsin(x)] and g(x) = sin[tan(x)] - tan[sin(x)] is 1, right? It is indeed a nice puzzle :-) Sven > So, you think you like l'Hopital's rule? Try using it on this problem: > > Evaluate lim(x->0) of f(x)/g(x) where > > f(x) = arcsin[arctan(x)] - arctan[arcsin(x)] > g(x) = sin[tan(x)] - tan[sin(x)]

Hi Chris, I would do it the same way as Daniel. Since you've already proven the derivative with h->0 I would use that: lim(h->0) [(sin(pi*(x+h))-sin(pi*x)]/(h) = pi*cos(pi*x) Step 1: Let h =t-x, so lim{(t-x)->0}[(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) = pi*cos(pi*x) Step 2: Show that lim{ (t-x)->0}[(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) is the same as lim (t->x) [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x), For step 2 I used the definition for a limit of a function: Let B be the limit of f(x): B = lim(x-x0) f(x) <=> { |x-x0| < Delta => |f(x)-f(x0)| < Epsilon} See also here for the definition: http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/CalcOneDIRECTORY/preciselimdirectory/PreciseL\ imit.html http://library.thinkquest.org/C006002/Pages/Defining_a_Limit.htm I hope that makes sense. - Edgardo --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > notice, lim(h->0) of f(h) = lim(t->x) of f(t-x). > > Then lim(t->x) [sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) becomes (upon setting h = > t-x) lim(h->0) of [sin(pi*(h+x))-sin(pi*x)]/h] = pi*cos(pi*x) and > you've already proved that one. > > That's playing a little fast and loose with notation, should be using > x0's and whatnot then generalizing, but you get the idea... I'm sure > someone on the board can tell me how I didn't do this right... > > -Daniel > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > How do I find the derivative of sin(pi*x) with respect to x > > specifically using the following limit? : > > > > limit as t approaches x of [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) > > > > or in shorter form: > > lim(t->x) [(sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x)]/(t-x) > > > > I know the result when you take the derivative with respect to x, but > > how do I prove it using that particular limit? I can't figure it out. > > > > I've already proven lim(h->0) [(sin(pi*(x+h))-sin(pi*x)]/(h) = > > pi*cos(pi*x) but I can't figure it out using the lim(t->x) instead. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > Chris > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > Look at olympicube.com for videos of the solving and comments by frank. I knew it, I knew it :-) Well, was rather obvious... Now I hope my prediction of Meffert selling it soon will also become true... Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > I said Point taken. :) > BTW, lim(x->0) of f(x)/g(x) <...> is 1, right? Right indeed! > It is indeed a nice puzzle :-) Glad you like it, though I can't claim originality. It was reported to me verbally that this example was used in a (somewhat polemical) talk by V.I. Arnol'd. Another gem from him was: "Bourbaki is used as a text by those who don't understand calculus to teach students who will also never understand it" (or similar). Mike

Hello all, I am home now, and as promised, I have written a review on my experience with the Olympic Cube 5x5 and 6x6. The review is available at: www.idahocubers.com/newcubes.htm Please share your thoughts. Frank

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@. ..> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > wrote: > > I said > > Point taken. :) > > > BTW, lim(x->0) of f(x)/g(x) <...> is 1, right? > > Right indeed! > > > It is indeed a nice puzzle :-) > > Glad you like it, though I can't claim originality. It was reported to > me verbally that this example was used in a (somewhat polemical) talk > by V.I. Arnol'd. Another gem from him was: "Bourbaki is used as a text > by those who don't understand calculus to teach students who will also > never understand it" (or similar). > > Mike > L'Hopital's Rule and Chain Rule was what I was thinking when I read it, but since it's solved, whatever. (No I'm not in calculus, but next year)

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <ephem825@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am home now, and as promised, I have written a review on my > experience with the Olympic Cube 5x5 and 6x6. The review is available > at: > > www.idahocubers.com/newcubes.htm > > Please share your thoughts. > > Frank > Wow, that 2x2 is SO big. Also, did you get to keep the puzzles? :P -Tim

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > L'Hopital's Rule and Chain Rule was what I was thinking Yes, you /could/ do that, but you need a surprisingly large number of iterations to get it out, and the chance of making an error is high (at least, it would be for me). Mike

Hey everyone, Thanks for the help, I think I will go with the variable substitution for h=t-x and use the limit as h->0 which I've already got a proof for. Is it possible using lim(t->x) with a trig identity? Or maybe you would need either of lim(t->x) sin(t-x)/(t-x) = 1 or (1-cos(t-x))/(t- x) = 0? Chris P.S. If you want a fun puzzle try this beast: Do as an indefinite integral integral[(x*e^(2*x))/(2x+1)^2]dx --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > L'Hopital's Rule and Chain Rule was what I was thinking > > Yes, you /could/ do that, but you need a surprisingly large number of > iterations to get it out, and the chance of making an error is high (at > least, it would be for me). > > Mike >

I'm so incredibly excited about the new 6x6x6! Thanks for the review and the description Frank! My only worry now is that 1) the puzzle is amazing, 2) They know that the puzzle is amazing, so 3) How much will it cost? :-S Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <ephem825@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am home now, and as promised, I have written a review on my > experience with the Olympic Cube 5x5 and 6x6. The review is available > at: > > www.idahocubers.com/newcubes.htm > > Please share your thoughts. > > Frank >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > Look at olympicube.com for videos of the solving and comments by > frank. > > I knew it, I knew it :-) > Well, was rather obvious... > > Now I hope my prediction of Meffert selling it soon will also become > true... > > Cheers! > Stefan > How much do you think they'll cost?? I'm willing to pay quite a lot to get a 6x6x6, anyway! /Gunnar

If you want my opinion it is no good saying things like that if you want a low price :D Gilles. 2006/5/26, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > Look at olympicube.com for videos of the solving and comments by > > frank. > > > > I knew it, I knew it :-) > > Well, was rather obvious... > > > > Now I hope my prediction of Meffert selling it soon will also become > > true... > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > How much do you think they'll cost?? I'm willing to pay quite a lot to > get a 6x6x6, anyway! > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----- From: mike_go_uk To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: (off topic) Calculus question > BTW, lim(x->0) of f(x)/g(x) <...> is 1, right? Right indeed! I would also have answered "1". (Intuitively. Based on the behavour of sin(x) and tg(x) around zero). But do you take such a answer for an Answer? R SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah... I'd definitely only pay $15 or $20 for one. And it would have to have free shipping. ;-) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > If you want my opinion it is no good saying things like that if you want a > low price :D > > Gilles. > > 2006/5/26, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Look at olympicube.com for videos of the solving and comments by > > > frank. > > > > > > I knew it, I knew it :-) > > > Well, was rather obvious... > > > > > > Now I hope my prediction of Meffert selling it soon will also become > > > true... > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > How much do you think they'll cost?? I'm willing to pay quite a lot to > > get a 6x6x6, anyway! > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I predict around $42. Just use the formula $(N^2 + N), where N is the order of the cube. Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > Yeah... I'd definitely only pay $15 or $20 for one. And it would have > to have free shipping. ;-) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > If you want my opinion it is no good saying things like that if you > want a > > low price :D > > > > Gilles. > > > > 2006/5/26, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@>: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Look at olympicube.com for videos of the solving and comments by > > > > frank. > > > > > > > > I knew it, I knew it :-) > > > > Well, was rather obvious... > > > > > > > > Now I hope my prediction of Meffert selling it soon will also become > > > > true... > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > How much do you think they'll cost?? I'm willing to pay quite a lot to > > > get a 6x6x6, anyway! > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

oh yeah those things are cool i was going to get one bet it ran out just when i was going to order, total weaksauce Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: I think he meant the white plastic cubes... Marcus Trujillo <m_trujillo_t@...> escreveu: Yeah i know man i like white a lot better than silver but, man they dont sell em thats really weak darereck <darereck@gmail.com> wrote: What ever happened to the DIY white cubes? They don't sell it anymore. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

well though its bad news, thanks for the news man, or else i would have blindly kept waiting for those elusive cubes. jeremy_tkr <jeremy_tkr@...m.sg> wrote: OH this might be bad news for all of you i guess. i just emailed rubiks.com regarding info about the white cubes. guess wat? "The white kits are no longer in production and no more stock is available." gosh.,. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "darereck" <darereck@...> wrote: > > What ever happened to the DIY white cubes? They don't sell it anymore. > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have a question (surprise I know) and I am wondering about the schedule for the events. I see that the events on Fri and Sat are pretty much the same Friday 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round Best of 3 solves 36 advance 12:00PM Lunch Break 1:00PM 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve Qualifying Round Best of 2 solves Successful solve under 10 minutes advances to finals 1:30PM 4x4x4 Speed Solve Preliminary Round Best of 2 solves 12 advance 2:00PM 5x5x5 Speed Solve Preliminary Round Best of 2 solves 4 advance Sat 11:00AM 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round Best of 3 solves 36 advance 12:00PM Lunch Break 1:00PM 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve Qualifying Round Best of 2 solves Successful solve under 10 minutes advances to finals 1:30PM 4x4x4 Speed Solve Preliminary Round Best of 2 solves 12 advance 2:00PM 5x5x5 Speed Solve Preliminary Round Best of 2 solves 4 advance I am not real familiar with the larger competition setups but how does this work. If there are 100 3x3 people are only 50 going to do the preliminary one day and the next 50 the second day? How does this work? Or if all 100 people do it the first day what it is the point of having the second day preliminarys? Can someone explain this to me? --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a > website for US Nationals > 2006: > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html > > Go ahead and register online. The website should > contain all the > information for everything. I'm still working on > competitor discounts > for museum admission. We'll update that information > on the website as > it develops. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > "Hope you have the time of your life" - GD Christy (Crispy) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

You pick your day, I think. For instance, there's no possible way I can be there on Friday, so I'll do my prelim's Saturday (assuming I manage to get there at all). Sadly, that excludes me from Master Magic, but I'm not going to make Tyson break his back to accomodate me when he's already done so much to have this contest anyway. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Crispy <redivre@...> wrote: > > I have a question (surprise I know) and I am wondering > about the schedule for the events. I see that the > events on Fri and Sat are pretty much the same > > Friday > 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 3 solves > 36 advance > 12:00PM Lunch Break > 1:00PM 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve Qualifying Round > Best of 2 solves > Successful solve under 10 minutes advances to finals > > 1:30PM 4x4x4 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 2 solves > 12 advance > 2:00PM 5x5x5 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 2 solves > 4 advance > > Sat > 11:00AM 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 3 solves > 36 advance > 12:00PM Lunch Break > 1:00PM 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve Qualifying Round > Best of 2 solves > Successful solve under 10 minutes advances to finals > > 1:30PM 4x4x4 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 2 solves > 12 advance > 2:00PM 5x5x5 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 2 solves > 4 advance > > I am not real familiar with the larger competition > setups but how does this work. If there are 100 3x3 > people are only 50 going to do the preliminary one day > and the next 50 the second day? How does this work? > Or if all 100 people do it the first day what it is > the point of having the second day preliminarys? Can > someone explain this to me? > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > > So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a > > website for US Nationals > > 2006: > > > > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html > > > > Go ahead and register online. The website should > > contain all the > > information for everything. I'm still working on > > competitor discounts > > for museum admission. We'll update that information > > on the website as > > it develops. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > "Hope you have the time of your life" - GD > Christy (Crispy) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Hem there's something fishy about this. I checked to see if anyone flaged you out on this first, but I guess I'll have to be the first to point out that the proof is flawed. Accepting L'Hospital's Rule, we still cannot do this: > Let's put f(t) = sin(pi*t) - sin(pi*x) and g(t) = t-x > Then lim_{t->x} f(x)/g(x) = lim_{t->x} f'(x)/g'(x) = lim_{t->x} > pi*cos(pi*t) = pi*cos(pi*x) because here you used the thing you are trying to show. Thus it is circular logic. Since I'm at it, the more plausible solution using more traditional tools would be simply to first prove the chain rule. But just hacking though it, lets see what can happen: lim_{t->x} ((sin(pi*t)-sin(pi*x))/(t-x) == lim_{t->x} (2 sin((pi*t-pi*x)/2) cos((pi*t+pi*x)/2))/(t-x) == lim_{t->x} (2 sin((pi/2)(t-x)) cos((pi/2)(t+x))/(t-x) == 2 * [lim_{t->x} cos((pi/2)(t+x))/(t-x)] * [lim_{t->x} sin((pi/2) (t-x))/(t-x)] == 2 * cos(pi*x) * lim_{t->x} [sin((pi/2)(t-x))/(t-x)] == 2 * cos(pi*x) * lim_{a->0} [sin((pi/2)a)/a] == 2 * cos(pi*x) * (pi/2) == pi*cos(pi*x) The last limit is a common lemma, though I'm not sure how to give a simple proof (I'd go into epsilons and deltas here, hehe). The key was to use the "difference of sines" trig identity. Hem... I guess to be rigorous one should show that the function is differentiable in the first place, or give a reason why it would be before proceeding. -Doug

Yes, I was confused at first as well about that schedule. It says: "For the main events, you may attend and compete either Friday or Saturday. You may not compete on both days in these events, but you are welcome and encouraged to participate as a spectator." So I'm guessing we are to compete on which ever day we feel most convient and/or most ready to set a good qualifing times. I believe that the goal of this format is primarily to allow ppl that want to do several events, not get overwhelmed, and be able to do some of their events one day, and the rest the next day. Then the secondary reason is to accomadate such a high turn-out (well we anticipate 50 ppl I'm sure). I think that it is best to do as much as you can on the first day, as to ensure that everybody gets a Round 1 opportunity. That is if you arrive on/before Friday. Presumably, there will be those few ppl that will unavoidably arrive Saturday. -Doug p.s. I think I'll arrive Tuesday and leave Tuesday. I so rarely get to be free from school and work and be so far away from home. At some point we all need to coordinate something. Has anyone picked a hotel(s) yet? I guess I really should be reading this forum more often :/. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Crispy <redivre@...> wrote: > > I have a question (surprise I know) and I am wondering > about the schedule for the events. I see that the > events on Fri and Sat are pretty much the same > > Friday > 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 3 solves > 36 advance > 12:00PM Lunch Break > 1:00PM 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve Qualifying Round > Best of 2 solves > Successful solve under 10 minutes advances to finals > > 1:30PM 4x4x4 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 2 solves > 12 advance > 2:00PM 5x5x5 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 2 solves > 4 advance > > Sat > 11:00AM 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 3 solves > 36 advance > 12:00PM Lunch Break > 1:00PM 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve Qualifying Round > Best of 2 solves > Successful solve under 10 minutes advances to finals > > 1:30PM 4x4x4 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 2 solves > 12 advance > 2:00PM 5x5x5 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > Best of 2 solves > 4 advance > > I am not real familiar with the larger competition > setups but how does this work. If there are 100 3x3 > people are only 50 going to do the preliminary one day > and the next 50 the second day? How does this work? > Or if all 100 people do it the first day what it is > the point of having the second day preliminarys? Can > someone explain this to me? > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > > So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a > > website for US Nationals > > 2006: > > > > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html > > > > Go ahead and register online. The website should > > contain all the > > information for everything. I'm still working on > > competitor discounts > > for museum admission. We'll update that information > > on the website as > > it develops. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > "Hope you have the time of your life" - GD > Christy (Crispy) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

I just watched the three videos very carefully, as well as read over Frank's thought's on the puzzles. I'm very excited to try one at some point in the future. Definately getting some priority in the list of things I must do in life. However, I have a few curiosities. Will the puzzles be produced in a black plastic? Are there copyrights against doing so? THe white would totally throw me off. Would it be illegal to sell them with one/both of the standard color scheme(s). Either way I bet Cubesmith will have something ready for us in no time, once it is released. This may have already been asked a few times, but is there an estimated release date? And how fast are they planning on punching these badboys out? From Frank's impressions of it, I trust that they will quickly run out of stock. Hem, I should pre-order one if that is even possible right now. I'd also like to see the insides of those puzzles. At this point it seems to be a closely gaurded secret still. Just to see a stand-alone corner piece (or edge piece) of the 6x6 would rock! MAN! I'm so jealous... :). -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > Look at olympicube.com for videos of the solving and comments by frank. > > Apparently it's out soon! :D > > 5x5x5 aswell :) > > Now I'm excited :) > > ~Thom >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@.. .> wrote: > > I'd also like to see the insides of those puzzles. At this point it > seems to be a closely gaurded secret still. Just to see a stand-alone > corner piece (or edge piece) of the 6x6 would rock! Secret? http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4458 Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@ > .> wrote: > > > > I'd also like to see the insides of those puzzles. At this point it > > seems to be a closely gaurded secret still. Just to see a > stand-alone > > corner piece (or edge piece) of the 6x6 would rock! > > Secret? > http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4458 > > Cheers! > Stefan > Whoa, that's a 2x2 basically stretched out to fit a 4x4, etc. There's like, 12 axles. o_o

yeah. i'm korean :) my english is so bad.. i hope you understand my english... ----------------------------------------------------- simple question.. why only 2cycle can't exist in 3x3x3 but.. 4x4x4 cube have only 2cycle...(edge or corner..) explain to me.. :) 왜 2cycle이 333큐브에서 존재하지 않는지를 설명해주세요, 444에서는 2cycle이 존재하잖아요..(코너 또는 엣지가..) 수학적으로 설명해주시면 좋겠어요

Hi everybody! Does anyone know how to fix the parity case in the 4x4 where UFr has to be exchanged with UBr and then oriented? An image of this parity problem can be seen here: http://tinyurl.com/z54p2 Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" <none88yoo@...> wrote: > > yeah. i'm korean :) my english is so bad.. i hope you understand my > english... > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > simple question.. > > why only 2cycle can't exist in 3x3x3 > > but.. > > 4x4x4 cube have only 2cycle...(edge or corner..) > > explain to me.. :) > > > ¿Ö 2cycleÀÌ 333Å¥ºê¿¡¼­ Á¸ÀçÇÏÁö ¾Ê´ÂÁö¸¦ ¼³¸íÇØÁÖ¼¼¿ä, > 444¿¡¼­´Â 2cycleÀÌ Á¸ÀçÇÏÀݾƿä..(ÄÚ³Ê ¶Ç´Â ¿§Áö°¡..) > > > ¼öÇÐÀûÀ¸·Î ¼³¸íÇØÁֽøé ÁÁ°Ú¾î¿ä > My explanation is this: On any given puzzle like this in which no pieces can turn all by themselves, that, according to mathematical logic, must have a total of 0mod(number of possibilities). For example, there are always an even number of twisted edges: [even number] mod [number of possibilities = 2] = 0. Check. Now, onto the 4x4. Two corners swapped is the same as two edge-pairs swapped. Permutation Parity: The "two-cycle" is actually a double swap. The UFl switches with UBr, and UFr with UBl. You can always do two swaps since 2 swaps MOD 2C1 = 0. Orientation Parity: It's not one twisted edge pair, but two twisted edges. Same thing again 2 twisted edge MOD 2 possible ways = 0. Hopefully I made that understandable. :x

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Emanuele" <bw. project@...> wrote: > > Hi everybody! > Does anyone know how to fix the parity case in the 4x4 where UFr has > to be exchanged with UBr and then oriented? > An image of this parity problem can be seen here: > > http://tinyurl.com/z54p2 > > Any help is appreciated. Thanks! > First of all, that's not really parity because you haven't completed the edges. Second of all, to solve that particular pair, do F U' R U z y (Dd)' F U F' L F' L' F (Dd). (Thanks a lot, bigcubes.com) Also, I know probably less than you about the 4x4. :) -Tim

Hi, Try: r' U2 r' U2 B2 r' B2 l U2 l' U2 r2 Another useful alg: r' U2 r2 U2 r U2 r' U2 r U2 r2 U2 r' and it's inverse. Michael Fung --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Emanuele" <bw.project@...> wrote: > > Hi everybody! > Does anyone know how to fix the parity case in the 4x4 where UFr has > to be exchanged with UBr and then oriented? > An image of this parity problem can be seen here: > > http://tinyurl.com/z54p2 > > Any help is appreciated. Thanks! >

> Chris > > P.S. If you want a fun puzzle try this beast: > > Do as an indefinite integral > > integral[(x*e^(2*x))/(2x+1)^2]dx > [(1/4)e^(2x)]/(2x+1)+C The answer has to be of the form ye^(2x). Differentiating that gives the diffy q: y'+2y=x/(2x+1)^2. From there I could easily guess that y=c/(2x+1) for some constant c, which turned out to be 1/4. Macky

I didn't understand that at all. :) Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" <none88yoo@...> wrote: > > yeah. i'm korean :) my english is so bad.. i hope you understand my > english... > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > simple question.. > > why only 2cycle can't exist in 3x3x3 > > but.. > > 4x4x4 cube have only 2cycle...(edge or corner..) > > explain to me.. :) > > > ¿Ö 2cycleÀÌ 333Å¥ºê¿¡¼&shy; Á¸ÀçÇÏÁö ¾Ê´ÂÁö¸¦ ¼³¸íÇØÁÖ¼¼¿ä, > 444¿¡¼Â­´Â 2cycleÀÌ Á¸ÀçÇÏÀݾƿä..(ÄÚ³Ê ¶Ç´Â ¿§Áö°¡..) > > > ¼öÇÐÀûÀ¸·Î ¼³¸íÇØÁֽøé ÁÁ°Ú¾î¿ä > My explanation is this: On any given puzzle like this in which no pieces can turn all by themselves, that, according to mathematical logic, must have a total of 0mod(number of possibilities). For example, there are always an even number of twisted edges: [even number] mod [number of possibilities = 2] = 0. Check. Now, onto the 4x4. Two corners swapped is the same as two edge-pairs swapped. Permutation Parity: The "two-cycle" is actually a double swap. The UFl switches with UBr, and UFr with UBl. You can always do two swaps since 2 swaps MOD 2C1 = 0. Orientation Parity: It's not one twisted edge pair, but two twisted edges. Same thing again 2 twisted edge MOD 2 possible ways = 0. Hopefully I made that understandable. :x SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh man that is sexy.

> However, I have a few curiosities. Will the puzzles be produced in a > black plastic? Are there copyrights against doing so? THe white would > totally throw me off. Would it be illegal to sell them with one/both > of the standard color scheme(s). Either way I bet Cubesmith will have > something ready for us in no time, once it is released. Hey Doug, As someone who used a white plastic cube for quite a while, I hope I can calm your fears about the white throwing you off too badly. It might be a minor annoyance at first, but you'll quickly get used to it. I'm thinking the change from white stickers to black will take more getting used to, since white is my first side that I solve, but even that shouldn't be too bad to get used to. -Chris Parlette

I can explain it better on the website. There is only one preliminary round, so it doesn't matter which day you compete. If you can compete on Friday, it's probably best to show up on Friday. If we run overtime on Friday or it's busy, then you can compete on Saturday. This format is to accommodate an estimated of 120 competitors while still allowing everyone to have 5 solves in the first round. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 27, 2006, at 1:58 AM, d_funny007 wrote: > Yes, I was confused at first as well about that schedule. > > It says: > "For the main events, you may attend and compete either Friday or > Saturday. You may not compete on both days in these events, but you > are welcome and encouraged to participate as a spectator." > > So I'm guessing we are to compete on which ever day we feel most > convient and/or most ready to set a good qualifing times. > > I believe that the goal of this format is primarily to allow ppl > that want to do several events, not get overwhelmed, and be able to > do some of their events one day, and the rest the next day. Then the > secondary reason is to accomadate such a high turn-out (well we > anticipate 50 ppl I'm sure). > > I think that it is best to do as much as you can on the first day, > as to ensure that everybody gets a Round 1 opportunity. That is if > you arrive on/before Friday. Presumably, there will be those few ppl > that will unavoidably arrive Saturday. > > > -Doug > > p.s. I think I'll arrive Tuesday and leave Tuesday. I so rarely get > to be free from school and work and be so far away from home. At > some point we all need to coordinate something. Has anyone picked a > hotel(s) yet? I guess I really should be reading this forum more > often :/. > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Crispy <redivre@...> > wrote: >> >> I have a question (surprise I know) and I am wondering >> about the schedule for the events. I see that the >> events on Fri and Sat are pretty much the same >> >> Friday >> 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round >> Best of 3 solves >> 36 advance >> 12:00PM Lunch Break >> 1:00PM 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve Qualifying Round >> Best of 2 solves >> Successful solve under 10 minutes advances to finals >> >> 1:30PM 4x4x4 Speed Solve Preliminary Round >> Best of 2 solves >> 12 advance >> 2:00PM 5x5x5 Speed Solve Preliminary Round >> Best of 2 solves >> 4 advance >> >> Sat >> 11:00AM 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round >> Best of 3 solves >> 36 advance >> 12:00PM Lunch Break >> 1:00PM 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve Qualifying Round >> Best of 2 solves >> Successful solve under 10 minutes advances to finals >> >> 1:30PM 4x4x4 Speed Solve Preliminary Round >> Best of 2 solves >> 12 advance >> 2:00PM 5x5x5 Speed Solve Preliminary Round >> Best of 2 solves >> 4 advance >> >> I am not real familiar with the larger competition >> setups but how does this work. If there are 100 3x3 >> people are only 50 going to do the preliminary one day >> and the next 50 the second day? How does this work? >> Or if all 100 people do it the first day what it is >> the point of having the second day preliminarys? Can >> someone explain this to me? >> >> --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: >> >>> So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a >>> website for US Nationals >>> 2006: >>> >>> >> http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html >>> >>> Go ahead and register online. The website should >>> contain all the >>> information for everything. I'm still working on >>> competitor discounts >>> for museum admission. We'll update that information >>> on the website as >>> it develops. >>> >>> Tyson Mao >>> Astrophysics '06 >>> California Institute of Technology >>> >>> >> >> >> "Hope you have the time of your life" - GD >> Christy (Crispy) >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hi everyone, The results of FMC#107 are out, and it was a very high standard of entries that I received over the week! 14 participants this week, so thank you all for taking part! Next challenge #108 will be launched at midnight tonight. You can check out the results here: http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/index.php?page=fmc/fmc - and go to the FMC Archive. Dan :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello everyone, I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without having this problem ? Thanks :-) Gilles.be

Frank, I can't believe you didn't get any inside information on release times. Winter 2006? Roger --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette" <cparlett@...> wrote: > > > > However, I have a few curiosities. Will the puzzles be produced in a > > black plastic? Are there copyrights against doing so? THe white would > > totally throw me off. Would it be illegal to sell them with one/both > > of the standard color scheme(s). Either way I bet Cubesmith will have > > something ready for us in no time, once it is released. > > Hey Doug, > > As someone who used a white plastic cube for quite a while, I hope I > can calm your fears about the white throwing you off too badly. It > might be a minor annoyance at first, but you'll quickly get used to > it. I'm thinking the change from white stickers to black will take > more getting used to, since white is my first side that I solve, but > even that shouldn't be too bad to get used to. > > -Chris Parlette >

Thank you! Good algs, but I was asking because I don't use the pairing edge method, so it would be more difficult for me, after those algs, to go back and fix again corners and other edges that were already correct. I wanted to find something that preserved the other pieces... Michael, your r' U2 r' U2 B2 r' B2 l U2 l' U2 r2 in practice makes it a real parity case, so all I have to do next is to solve it like a normal parity. Good ;) Thank you! And yes, it's true, it's not a real parity case... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Try: r' U2 r' U2 B2 r' B2 l U2 l' U2 r2 > > Another useful alg: r' U2 r2 U2 r U2 r' U2 r U2 r2 U2 r' and it's > inverse. > > Michael Fung > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Emanuele" <bw. > project@> wrote: > > > > Hi everybody! > > Does anyone know how to fix the parity case in the 4x4 where UFr has > > to be exchanged with UBr and then oriented? > > An image of this parity problem can be seen here: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/z54p2 > > > > Any help is appreciated. Thanks! > > > > First of all, that's not really parity because you haven't completed > the edges. Second of all, to solve that particular pair, do F U' R U z > y (Dd)' F U F' L F' L' F (Dd). (Thanks a lot, bigcubes.com) Also, I > know probably less than you about the 4x4. :) > > -Tim >

Man, quite a few news today on SCC. Congrats to Bob for the Magic WR! Now that you finally found the secret to consistency, please tell me. Also congrats to your blindsolve (your first official?). Congrats to Craig for winning blindfold (practiced the evil alg?) and master magic! Oh master magic. .. wow, Jimmy Coll brings the old method back at top. Incredible, I thought it's obsolete now. Also wow, Ryan Patricio stayed sub30 all his 5 onehanded solves and Leyan Lo far sub2 for all 3 blindsolves. Great stuff. And to dig up some dirt.. watch closely how Thibaut puts his hands on the sensors at start and (more clearly) at stop of the timer at the French Nationals which he won: http://grrroux.free.fr/VideosFrance2006/Felix_Jacquinot.avi Cheers! Stefan

> And to dig up some dirt.. watch closely how Thibaut puts his hands on > the sensors at start and (more clearly) at stop of the timer at the > French Nationals which he won: > http://grrroux.free.fr/VideosFrance2006/Felix_Jacquinot.avi I take that as evidence that it is not possible to enforce this rule consistently by anyone. It's hard to call that one when you watch it real time, but when you slow it down on video it's obvious he used his palms. I think it's a bad rule, and that this video is evidence of that. Chris > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I take that as evidence that it is not possible to enforce this rule > consistently by anyone. It's hard to call that one when you watch it > real time, but when you slow it down on video it's obvious he used his > palms. Oh, I didn't need to slow it down. Neither did I need to zoom in or sharpen it. And I noticed it the first time I watched it since it was rather obvious. Had I been the judge, standing right next to him, I'm quite sure I would've noticed it. But it's not because I have good eyes, but because I know the rule. > I think it's a bad rule, and that this video is evidence of that. Uh... I'd say it's evidence the rule is *unknown*, not that it's bad. Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Had I been the judge, standing right next to him, I'm quite sure I > would've noticed it. But it's not because I have good eyes, but > because I know the rule. I did watch it framewise now in order to get the durations. At the stop the far heels of the hands rest on the sensors for about 0.30 seconds and at start he holds his position for more than two seconds. And his judge is sitting right on the side of him. Don't tell me she couldn't see it! She just didn't even try to! Actually I don't find it surprising the judges don't know the rules. After all, many aren't even cubers. But what really makes me wonder is how even elite cubers don't know them (right now Thibaut is unofficially the world's #2 both for average of 10 and 100). Stefan

Hi, My congratulations to Bob Burton, too! To see his world record Magic average solves, download the video from: http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt (about 8.5 MB). Unfortunately, I do not have Anthony Hsu's WR 2x2x2 solve on video, only his first three attempts in the 2x2x2 competition. My congratulations to him, too, of course. - Bruce Norskog --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Man, quite a few news today on SCC. > > Congrats to Bob for the Magic WR! Now that you finally found the > secret to consistency, please tell me. Also congrats to your > blindsolve (your first official?). Congrats to Craig for winning > blindfold (practiced the evil alg?) and master magic! Oh master magic. > .. wow, Jimmy Coll brings the old method back at top. Incredible, I > thought it's obsolete now. Also wow, Ryan Patricio stayed sub30 all > his 5 onehanded solves and Leyan Lo far sub2 for all 3 blindsolves. > Great stuff. > > And to dig up some dirt.. watch closely how Thibaut puts his hands on > the sensors at start and (more clearly) at stop of the timer at the > French Nationals which he won: > http://grrroux.free.fr/VideosFrance2006/Felix_Jacquinot.avi > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I agree that the rule is largely unknown, and it is unknown because it has *never* *been* *enforced*. Also, please someone explain to me, because it has never been satisfactorily explained to me, why stopping with the palms is so bad that it requires the disqualification of the entire solve? What situation is being prevented here? This situation is clearly so bad that it is considered complete and utter cheating, and its result is that the entire solve is completely invalid. For the life of me I can't think of anything that is possible to do in the 0.10-0.30 second it can require to stop the timer that is so bad it means everything for the solve done up to that point is completely invalid. As to the argument about starting with the palms, I can see how the worry is that the cuber could do a move on the cube before starting the timer. Well I offer this solution. Is it even physically possible to manipulate the cube before removing your hand from the contact pads if the cube is 2cm away from any part of either hand? If it is, what if you try 3cm? Say we discover the number where no matter what your hand size, it is physically impossible to manuever your hand in such a way as to do a move on the cube without it being glaringly obvious to the judge, or without it starting the timer. Now take this distance and draw a V on the timer pad (I will mark this out with tape of my timer and take a picture if you are confused on what I mean). The cube will be placed inside this V at the end of the inspection and the width of the V is such that no hand size can reach the cube without leaving the timer pad. If you don't see what I mean please say so and I will take a picture of this done on my timer. I can't see any way it is possible to manipulate the cube before starting the timer even if you start with the palms right where they meet the wrist. And I really am serious, can anyone describe to me a situation where the stopping of the timer with the palms allows you to cheat in such a way that is so immoral to the spirit of solving the cube in competition that the entire solve must be thrown out? Please, just put it into simple words, because I can't think of anything at all. I have been cubing for 8 years and I cannot think of a single thing that can be done in 0.10-0.30 seconds when you stop the timer that is *this* bad and is *cheating on this scale*. And yes if you haven't noticed I think this rule is absolutely completely and utterly retarded. I am using offensive language because this rule offends me that much. I don't mean any offense to any person in particular here, I am just angry in general that this rule continues to exist when I think it is such a terrible and horrible rule to have. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > Had I been the judge, standing right next to him, I'm quite sure I > > would've noticed it. But it's not because I have good eyes, but > > because I know the rule. > > I did watch it framewise now in order to get the durations. At the > stop the far heels of the hands rest on the sensors for about 0.30 > seconds and at start he holds his position for more than two seconds. > And his judge is sitting right on the side of him. Don't tell me she > couldn't see it! She just didn't even try to! > > Actually I don't find it surprising the judges don't know the rules. > After all, many aren't even cubers. But what really makes me wonder is > how even elite cubers don't know them (right now Thibaut is > unofficially the world's #2 both for average of 10 and 100). > > Stefan >

I've got to get going, and I don't know how in depth I'm really going to get into this argument. The spirit of the rule is to prevent people from touching the cube while and after stopping the timer. All cube manipulations are completely finished and contact with the cube has ceased when the timer is stopped. That, to me, is the purpose of the rule. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 28, 2006, at 12:52 PM, cmhardw wrote: > I agree that the rule is largely unknown, and it is unknown because it > has *never* *been* *enforced*. > > Also, please someone explain to me, because it has never been > satisfactorily explained to me, why stopping with the palms is so bad > that it requires the disqualification of the entire solve? What > situation is being prevented here? This situation is clearly so bad > that it is considered complete and utter cheating, and its result is > that the entire solve is completely invalid. > > For the life of me I can't think of anything that is possible to do in > the 0.10-0.30 second it can require to stop the timer that is so bad > it means everything for the solve done up to that point is completely > invalid. > > As to the argument about starting with the palms, I can see how the > worry is that the cuber could do a move on the cube before starting > the timer. > > Well I offer this solution. Is it even physically possible to > manipulate the cube before removing your hand from the contact pads if > the cube is 2cm away from any part of either hand? If it is, what if > you try 3cm? > > Say we discover the number where no matter what your hand size, it is > physically impossible to manuever your hand in such a way as to do a > move on the cube without it being glaringly obvious to the judge, or > without it starting the timer. > > Now take this distance and draw a V on the timer pad (I will mark this > out with tape of my timer and take a picture if you are confused on > what I mean). The cube will be placed inside this V at the end of the > inspection and the width of the V is such that no hand size can reach > the cube without leaving the timer pad. > > If you don't see what I mean please say so and I will take a picture > of this done on my timer. I can't see any way it is possible to > manipulate the cube before starting the timer even if you start with > the palms right where they meet the wrist. > > And I really am serious, can anyone describe to me a situation where > the stopping of the timer with the palms allows you to cheat in such a > way that is so immoral to the spirit of solving the cube in > competition that the entire solve must be thrown out? Please, just > put it into simple words, because I can't think of anything at all. I > have been cubing for 8 years and I cannot think of a single thing that > can be done in 0.10-0.30 seconds when you stop the timer that is > *this* bad and is *cheating on this scale*. > > And yes if you haven't noticed I think this rule is absolutely > completely and utterly retarded. I am using offensive language > because this rule offends me that much. I don't mean any offense to > any person in particular here, I am just angry in general that this > rule continues to exist when I think it is such a terrible and > horrible rule to have. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" >> <pochmann@> wrote: >>> >>> Had I been the judge, standing right next to him, I'm quite sure I >>> would've noticed it. But it's not because I have good eyes, but >>> because I know the rule. >> >> I did watch it framewise now in order to get the durations. At the >> stop the far heels of the hands rest on the sensors for about 0.30 >> seconds and at start he holds his position for more than two seconds. >> And his judge is sitting right on the side of him. Don't tell me she >> couldn't see it! She just didn't even try to! >> >> Actually I don't find it surprising the judges don't know the rules. >> After all, many aren't even cubers. But what really makes me wonder is >> how even elite cubers don't know them (right now Thibaut is >> unofficially the world's #2 both for average of 10 and 100). >> >> Stefan >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hey Tyson, Thanks for your response, I am glad that this issue is being brought up again. I want to ask another question though. If touching the cube at the same time you stop the timer (not even doing a move, but having it rest against your hand) is cheating so badly that your entire solve is disqualified, then why is it even allowed that putting the cube down one move away from solved is not a DNF? Adding 2 seconds to a cube that is not solved, and disqualifying someone for simply *touching* the cube as they put down the timer seems a little weird to me. If I were to follow a bit of proportional thinking to punish these two problems a bit more equally, then why don't we consider any cube not completely solved (up to the allowable misalignment) to be a DNF? Or to me it seems that putting down an unsolved cube is worse than putting down a solved cube but touching it accidently, say by proportional thinking if touching the cube diqualifies the solve, maybe putting down an unsolved cube should disqualify the cuber from that round entirely? Clearly that is ridiculous, but you see what I mean in that this situation doesn't seem to make much sense? Why punish an unsolved cube so lightly, and someone who ccorrectly and fully solved the cube but *simply touched it* at the wrong time with a diqualification of that solve? Again I don't mean any disrespect to you, I am asking this question to the community in general. How is touching the cube as you put down the timer cheating so badly that the time is completely invalid, but putting down a cube that is *not even solved* can be accepted as a valid time with a penalty? Can someone film themselves using this to their advantage in such a way that is so immoral to the spirit of cubing that it is even worse than putting down a cube that is not solved? In my eyes, not fully solving your cube is a big problem, and should be penalized like it is. But how is touching the cube, by accident or on purpose, vastly more immoral than not even solving the cube? Clearly we view touching the cube as immeasurably worse than putting down an unsolved cube, because it is punished so much more harshly (or I should say, were the rule enforced at all, it would be much more harsh). My recommendation would be to either also disqualify solves where the cube is not solved within the allowable limit, or to add a 2 second penalty to a palm stop. Sport stacking throws out an attempt if you are even touching a cup as you stop the timer. So to be in line with them (which we have done on a number of cases) that would say that the +2 penalty needs to be removed a those solves need to be disqualified completely. I mean they are not cheating any worse than accidently touching the cube as you stop the timer. They had the brazen audacity to try to put the cube down a bit too soon. Or maybe it was an accident. Someone who has the cube resting against their hand either had the brazen audacity to try to cheat. Or maybe it was an accident. These situations seem similar to me, so let's handle them similarly is all I'm saying. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > I've got to get going, and I don't know how in depth I'm really going > to get into this argument. The spirit of the rule is to prevent people > from touching the cube while and after stopping the timer. > > All cube manipulations are completely finished and contact with the > cube has ceased when the timer is stopped. > > That, to me, is the purpose of the rule. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology

Let me sum up the most important request I wanted to address in my last post, so it isn't buried in other thoughts. I see 2 issues here: Issue #1) If stopping with the palms is so bad (I still don't see why) then maybe we should outright define speedcubing as: a) "solving a Rubik's cube on a stackmat such that the start at stopping of the timer must be done with fingers". Therefore what is so bad about stopping with the palms is that it is not speedcubing. Speedcubing has for years meant solving a cube as fast as possible, but now we have to solve on a timer. So I say if this is the option taken, then speedcubing must be defined as solving on a stackmat while starting and stopping with the fingers. *ANY* deviation from that is not speedcubing, and is completely unacceptable in competition. If this route is taken, judge training must be more strict and this rule *has to be enforced* Also I would highly recommend video review to be able to handle the really hard to make judgement calls. If this is the option taken, I would think that video analysis should be a requirement for running a tournament. All tournament directors would then have to provide their own camera equipment and the footage sent to a review board to check each solve for any potential new world or national record to make sure no palm starts or stops were made, since that is not speedcubing. Issue #2) The rules of putting down an unsolved cube and touching the cube as you stop are both cheating, so why is the worse one (not even solving your cube) the lightest punishment? Either disqualify the unsolved cube case, or add a time penalty to the touching the cube as the timer stops rather than a DQ. The two rules are essentially in the same vein, but one is punished so much more harshly than the other. ------------ If both of these issue are addressed then I promise I will not make any more of an issue with this. These two things are what bug me the most about these rules. Please let us at least discuss both issues here. Chris

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I have the same issue. James Stuber <jestuber@...> wrote: Whenever I click "submit registration" nothing happens. I've tried in FF and IE. Is nothing supposed to happen, or are you supposed to be taken to a confirmation page? Can I just register by email? Any help would be appretiated, because I can save money at the museum etc. -James Stuber _____ From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Mao Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US Nationals 2006: http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all the information for everything. I'm still working on competitor discounts for museum admission. We'll update that information on the website as it develops. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+g ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw > puzzle game Free <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6 ReWEw> puzzle inlay games Educational <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle Word <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+gam e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> puzzle game Kid <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> puzzle game Puzzle <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5 =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> games _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscri be> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Chris, 1) Rule enforcement (general) A rule that is not enforced is a bad rule. But the equation is more complex. When a rule is a bit tricky, or not well known because applying to rare cases, you need trained people who can instantly judge the right way. 2) Starting the timer I thought about standardizing the puzzle-fingers distance, because size of hands may differ, because the puzzle is not everytime at the same place, because some puzzles are bigger, etc. After all, "fingers on the pad, and puzzle anywhere" is not so bad: a) You make sure the timer starts before the competitor manipulates the puzzle. b) It's very simple, isn't it? A minimum distance may cause more disputes. It's more natural to seize the puzzle when starting with the palms, but it's the same conditions for every competitor, and if you want my opinion, it's even more natural to cube without having to trigger a timer :-) I don't get why you feel so bad about it. 3) Stopping the timer We talked about it last time. The spirit of the rule is "no physical contact with the puzzle when stopping the timer", and you can't be wrong if you stop it with the fingers. This unenforced rule should be rewritten. Maybe to "no physical contact with the puzzle when stopping the timer" or simply "no move performed while stopping the timer"? 4) "Stopping when touching" Vs "Penalties" Excellent point! Leading to the following options: a) +2 penalty for "stopping when touching" (and DNF when the competitor is obviously cheating). But what to do when the competitor stops while *possibly* doing a move, and the puzzle is still one move away from the solves state? Could be DNF. b) The end of penalties. If I remember correctly, you like penalties. I tend not to like them, for the same reasons I'm happy the "extra solve for POP" disappeared. Here's my point. Top speedcubers are incredibly talented. Taking the right amount of risks should be one of their skills. I don't know, it seems so obvious to me. While solving (to prevent a lock up or anticipation errors) and when finishing the solve before dropping a fully solved puzzle. When you stop the timer, you physically validate you have finished your solve. If you're not sure of it, don't validate. If you're not sure and you still validate, you have taken too much risk. And if slower cubers sometimes lose 0.3 second making sure their solve is okay, no bid deal. But it's a different topic. c) +2 penalty at the judge's discretion, when (s)he can't tell for sure the competitor stopped the timer before finishing. No need to shout, we hear you, let's find the best solution. The best means the most simple and easy to enforce, without making speedcubing a different sport. And it's difficult in such grey zones, where you have to rely on human judging. Gilles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I agree that the rule is largely unknown, and it is unknown because it > has *never* *been* *enforced*. > > Also, please someone explain to me, because it has never been > satisfactorily explained to me, why stopping with the palms is so bad > that it requires the disqualification of the entire solve? What > situation is being prevented here? This situation is clearly so bad > that it is considered complete and utter cheating, and its result is > that the entire solve is completely invalid. > > For the life of me I can't think of anything that is possible to do in > the 0.10-0.30 second it can require to stop the timer that is so bad > it means everything for the solve done up to that point is completely > invalid. > > As to the argument about starting with the palms, I can see how the > worry is that the cuber could do a move on the cube before starting > the timer. > > Well I offer this solution. Is it even physically possible to > manipulate the cube before removing your hand from the contact pads if > the cube is 2cm away from any part of either hand? If it is, what if > you try 3cm? > > Say we discover the number where no matter what your hand size, it is > physically impossible to manuever your hand in such a way as to do a > move on the cube without it being glaringly obvious to the judge, or > without it starting the timer. > > Now take this distance and draw a V on the timer pad (I will mark this > out with tape of my timer and take a picture if you are confused on > what I mean). The cube will be placed inside this V at the end of the > inspection and the width of the V is such that no hand size can reach > the cube without leaving the timer pad. > > If you don't see what I mean please say so and I will take a picture > of this done on my timer. I can't see any way it is possible to > manipulate the cube before starting the timer even if you start with > the palms right where they meet the wrist. > > And I really am serious, can anyone describe to me a situation where > the stopping of the timer with the palms allows you to cheat in such a > way that is so immoral to the spirit of solving the cube in > competition that the entire solve must be thrown out? Please, just > put it into simple words, because I can't think of anything at all. I > have been cubing for 8 years and I cannot think of a single thing that > can be done in 0.10-0.30 seconds when you stop the timer that is > *this* bad and is *cheating on this scale*. > > And yes if you haven't noticed I think this rule is absolutely > completely and utterly retarded. I am using offensive language > because this rule offends me that much. I don't mean any offense to > any person in particular here, I am just angry in general that this > rule continues to exist when I think it is such a terrible and > horrible rule to have. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > Had I been the judge, standing right next to him, I'm quite sure I > > > would've noticed it. But it's not because I have good eyes, but > > > because I know the rule. > > > > I did watch it framewise now in order to get the durations. At the > > stop the far heels of the hands rest on the sensors for about 0.30 > > seconds and at start he holds his position for more than two seconds. > > And his judge is sitting right on the side of him. Don't tell me she > > couldn't see it! She just didn't even try to! > > > > Actually I don't find it surprising the judges don't know the rules. > > After all, many aren't even cubers. But what really makes me wonder is > > how even elite cubers don't know them (right now Thibaut is > > unofficially the world's #2 both for average of 10 and 100). > > > > Stefan > > >

I will check into that right away. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" <jestuber@...> wrote: > > Whenever I click "submit registration" nothing happens. I've tried in FF and > IE. Is nothing supposed to happen, or are you supposed to be taken to a > confirmation page? Can I just register by email? > > > > Any help would be appretiated, because I can save money at the museum etc. > > > > -James Stuber > > > > _____ > > From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Mao > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; > blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 > > > > So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US Nationals > 2006: > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html > > Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all the > information for everything. I'm still working on competitor discounts > for museum admission. We'll update that information on the website as > it develops. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Jigsaw > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam > e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+p uzzle+g > ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytE CiSfUCw > > puzzle game > > Free > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl > e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=W ord+puz > zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk3 1uvuXI6 > ReWEw> puzzle inlay games > > Educational > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p > uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle& w4=Word > +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_ 4zOte4R > 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle > > > Word > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& > w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz zle+gam > e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgI x9QRg> > puzzle game > > Kid > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w > 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzz le+game > &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2- DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> > puzzle game > > Puzzle > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F > ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+ game&w5 > =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBM A> > games > > > > _____ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscri > be> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Okay it's fixed now. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I will check into that right away. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" > <jestuber@> wrote: > > > > Whenever I click "submit registration" nothing happens. I've tried > in FF and > > IE. Is nothing supposed to happen, or are you supposed to be taken > to a > > confirmation page? Can I just register by email? > > > > > > > > Any help would be appretiated, because I can save money at the > museum etc. > > > > > > > > -James Stuber > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyson > Mao > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; > > blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com > > Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 > > > > > > > > So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US > Nationals > > 2006: > > > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html > > > > Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all the > > information for everything. I'm still working on competitor > discounts > > for museum admission. We'll update that information on the > website as > > it develops. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > > > Jigsaw > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam > > > e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+p > uzzle+g > > > ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytE > CiSfUCw > > > puzzle game > > > > Free > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl > > > e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=W > ord+puz > > > zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk3 > 1uvuXI6 > > ReWEw> puzzle inlay games > > > > Educational > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p > > > uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle& > w4=Word > > > +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_ > 4zOte4R > > 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle > > > > > > Word > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& > > > w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz > zle+gam > > > e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgI > x9QRg> > > puzzle game > > > > Kid > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w > > > 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzz > le+game > > &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2- > DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> > > puzzle game > > > > Puzzle > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F > > > ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+ > game&w5 > > > =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBM > A> > > games > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the > web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > subject=Unsubscri > > be> > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

I just want to say congratulations to Anthony Hsu for breaking my WR for 222. You did a really great average too. Well done!! /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Man, quite a few news today on SCC. > > Congrats to Bob for the Magic WR! Now that you finally found the > secret to consistency, please tell me. Also congrats to your > blindsolve (your first official?). Congrats to Craig for winning > blindfold (practiced the evil alg?) and master magic! Oh master magic. > .. wow, Jimmy Coll brings the old method back at top. Incredible, I > thought it's obsolete now. Also wow, Ryan Patricio stayed sub30 all > his 5 onehanded solves and Leyan Lo far sub2 for all 3 blindsolves. > Great stuff. > > And to dig up some dirt.. watch closely how Thibaut puts his hands on > the sensors at start and (more clearly) at stop of the timer at the > French Nationals which he won: > http://grrroux.free.fr/VideosFrance2006/Felix_Jacquinot.avi > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Can I register, and then if I don't come it won't harm anything? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Okay it's fixed now. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I will check into that right away. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" > > <jestuber@> wrote: > > > > > > Whenever I click "submit registration" nothing happens. I've > tried > > in FF and > > > IE. Is nothing supposed to happen, or are you supposed to be > taken > > to a > > > confirmation page? Can I just register by email? > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help would be appretiated, because I can save money at the > > museum etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > -James Stuber > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Tyson > > Mao > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; > > > blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; > > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com > > > Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US > > Nationals > > > 2006: > > > > > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html > > > > > > Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all > the > > > information for everything. I'm still working on competitor > > discounts > > > for museum admission. We'll update that information on the > > website as > > > it develops. > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > > > > > > Jigsaw > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam > > > > > > e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+p > > uzzle+g > > > > > > ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytE > > CiSfUCw > > > > puzzle game > > > > > > Free > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl > > > > > > e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=W > > ord+puz > > > > > > zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk3 > > 1uvuXI6 > > > ReWEw> puzzle inlay games > > > > > > Educational > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p > > > > > > uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle& > > w4=Word > > > > > > +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_ > > 4zOte4R > > > 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle > > > > > > > > > Word > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& > > > > > > w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz > > zle+gam > > > > > > e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgI > > x9QRg> > > > puzzle game > > > > > > Kid > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w > > > > > > 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzz > > le+game > > > &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2- > > DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> > > > puzzle game > > > > > > Puzzle > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F > > > > > > ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+ > > game&w5 > > > > > > =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBM > > A> > > > games > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the > > web. > > > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > subject=Unsubscri > > > be> > > > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

I'll let Tyson give the definitive answer, but I assume the registration is to help accurately gauge the number of competitors. So if you register and intend to come, but later realize you can't make it, you could always e-mail and notify the organizer(s) to that effect. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Can I register, and then if I don't come it won't harm anything? > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Okay it's fixed now. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > I will check into that right away. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" > > > <jestuber@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Whenever I click "submit registration" nothing happens. I've > > tried > > > in FF and > > > > IE. Is nothing supposed to happen, or are you supposed to be > > taken > > > to a > > > > confirmation page? Can I just register by email? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help would be appretiated, because I can save money at the > > > museum etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -James Stuber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Tyson > > > Mao > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; > > > > blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; > > > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com > > > > Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US > > > Nationals > > > > 2006: > > > > > > > > http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006- 1504.html > > > > > > > > Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all > > the > > > > information for everything. I'm still working on competitor > > > discounts > > > > for museum admission. We'll update that information on the > > > website as > > > > it develops. > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > > > > > > > > > Jigsaw > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam > > > > > > > > > e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+p > > > uzzle+g > > > > > > > > > ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytE > > > CiSfUCw > > > > > puzzle game > > > > > > > > Free > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl > > > > > > > > > e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=W > > > ord+puz > > > > > > > > > zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk3 > > > 1uvuXI6 > > > > ReWEw> puzzle inlay games > > > > > > > > Educational > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p > > > > > > > > > uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle& > > > w4=Word > > > > > > > > > +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_ > > > 4zOte4R > > > > 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle > > > > > > > > > > > > Word > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& > > > > > > > > > w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz > > > zle+gam > > > > > > > > > e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgI > > > x9QRg> > > > > puzzle game > > > > > > > > Kid > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w > > > > > > > > > 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzz > > > le+game > > > > &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2- > > > DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> > > > > puzzle game > > > > > > > > Puzzle > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? > > > t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F > > > > > > > > > ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+ > > > game&w5 > > > > > > > > > =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBM > > > A> > > > > games > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the > > > web. > > > > > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > > > subject=Unsubscri > > > > be> > > > > > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > > > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >

It's best to register only if you feel that there is a good chance to go. If you aren't sure if you can make it, feel free to register. Just don't register if most likely, you can't make it. So yeah, go ahead and register if there if you think you can go. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On May 29, 2006, at 4:38 AM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > Can I register, and then if I don't come it won't harm anything? > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@...> wrote: >> >> Okay it's fixed now. >> >> Chris >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley >> <no_reply@> wrote: >>> >>> I will check into that right away. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "James Stuber" >>> <jestuber@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Whenever I click "submit registration" nothing happens. I've >> tried >>> in FF and >>>> IE. Is nothing supposed to happen, or are you supposed to be >> taken >>> to a >>>> confirmation page? Can I just register by email? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any help would be appretiated, because I can save money at the >>> museum etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -James Stuber >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com >>>> [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of >> Tyson >>> Mao >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM >>>> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; >>>> blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; >>> caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com >>>> Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo >>>> Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US >>> Nationals >>>> 2006: >>>> >>>> http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html >>>> >>>> Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all >> the >>>> information for everything. I'm still working on competitor >>> discounts >>>> for museum admission. We'll update that information on the >>> website as >>>> it develops. >>>> >>>> Tyson Mao >>>> Astrophysics '06 >>>> California Institute of Technology >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> SPONSORED LINKS >>>> >>>> >>>> Jigsaw >>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >>> t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+gam >>>> >>> >> e&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+p >>> uzzle+g >>>> >>> >> ame&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytE >>> CiSfUCw >>>>> puzzle game >>>> >>>> Free >>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >>> t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzl >>>> >>> >> e+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=W >>> ord+puz >>>> >>> >> zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk3 >>> 1uvuXI6 >>>> ReWEw> puzzle inlay games >>>> >>>> Educational >>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >>> t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+p >>>> >>> >> uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle& >>> w4=Word >>>> >>> >> +puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_ >>> 4zOte4R >>>> 94IVKMFNQ> game and puzzle >>>> >>>> >>>> Word >>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >>> t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game& >>>> >>> >> w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz >>> zle+gam >>>> >>> >> e&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgI >>> x9QRg> >>>> puzzle game >>>> >>>> Kid >>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >>> t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w >>>> >>> >> 2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzz >>> le+game >>>> &w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2- >>> DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> >>>> puzzle game >>>> >>>> Puzzle >>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? >>> t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=F >>>> >>> >> ree+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+ >>> game&w5 >>>> >>> >> =Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBM >>> A> >>>> games >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube >>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube> " on the >>> web. >>>> >>>> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>>> speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>>> <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? >>> subject=Unsubscri >>>> be> >>>> >>>> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! >>>> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I currently use a black diy, but I only have 5 black center caps. For the 6th one, can I use an unstickered white center cap on the white side. If not, does any site sell center caps? Thanks

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > I currently use a black diy, but I only have 5 black center caps. For > the 6th one, is it legal in a competition to use an unstickered white center cap on the white side If not, does any site sell center caps? > > Thanks >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > <bballkid2076@> wrote: > > > > I currently use a black diy, but I only have 5 black center caps. For > > the 6th one, is it legal in a competition to use an unstickered > white center cap on the white side If not, does any site sell center caps? > > > > Thanks > > > That's a point. Would you be able to have a black DIY with white pieces for the cross pieces for better recognition/faster inspection/resolution of the cross? Or for the blocks in roux so that you effectivly ignore teh rest of the cube at first. I dunno if the rules say anything about it.

Hello all cubers, just for those that have not noticed or are not decided... Everyone is welcome to attend Czech Open 2006 that will be held in Pardubice, Czech Rebulic on Sunday 23rd July 2006. Categories planned cover the mein events 3x3x3 speedsolving, 3x3x3 blindfold, and additional events Square-1, 4x4x4, Magics, and depending on participants and their preferences there may be other ones... There will be one of the two inventors of Square-1 (Cube 21) Karel Hrsel at the competition, so you can meet him and get some puzzles signed :-). The Czech Open 2006 - Cube Tournament - is part of Czech Open 2006 (http://czechopen.net) - International Festival of Chess, Bridge, and Games, whis is a rather big event 13th to 20th July, so you can enjoy even more than just a cubing there for even longer time if you want. Pardubice is a city about 1 hour by train from Prague, which is especially worth seeing if nothing else. Come on people, go and register to make one more open event in central Europe happen also the next years and make it more popular in the Czech Republic too... You can register on http://speedcubing.com Many thanks. Josef

Thank you, Gunnar. Going into the competition, I really didn't expect to break any records in the 2x2x2 because I had mostly been practicing the 3x3x3 and also because this was the first time I would be competing in the 2x2x2 event. I was quite shocked when I realized I had set a world record single solve and an American record average. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 7:04 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: SCC news >I just want to say congratulations to Anthony Hsu for breaking my WR > for 222. You did a really great average too. Well done!! > > /Gunnar

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > <bballkid2076@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > > <bballkid2076@> wrote: > > > > > > I currently use a black diy, but I only have 5 black center caps. For > > > the 6th one, is it legal in a competition to use an unstickered > > white center cap on the white side If not, does any site sell center > caps? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > That's a point. > > Would you be able to have a black DIY with white pieces for the cross > pieces for better recognition/faster inspection/resolution of the > cross? Or for the blocks in roux so that you effectivly ignore teh > rest of the cube at first. > > I dunno if the rules say anything about it. > Erm....... get a new cube?

Hi Chris, Tyson, et al, (him again!) If I may make a suggestion. Since people's hands come in different sizes: When the contestant approaches the timer to solve, in a competition, they lay the heel of a hand just beyond the foward edge of the touch pads. The judge then places a strip, maybe tape, at the fingertips of the contestant's hand. The cube must then be placed on or beyond that strip, with no part of the cube off the strip toward the contestant, both before and after the solve. Then it doesn't matter what part of the contestants hands are used to start and stop the timer. If a cube lands off to the side the same distance, that is, beyond the hand's length, then it is still fair. Anyway, this would make it impossible to touch the cube with the hands if the hands are on the touch pads. Wouldn't this be fair no matter the size of someone's hands? Regards, David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I agree that the rule is largely unknown, and it is unknown because it > has *never* *been* *enforced*. > > Also, please someone explain to me, because it has never been > satisfactorily explained to me, why stopping with the palms is so bad > that it requires the disqualification of the entire solve? What > situation is being prevented here? This situation is clearly so bad > that it is considered complete and utter cheating, and its result is > that the entire solve is completely invalid. > > For the life of me I can't think of anything that is possible to do in > the 0.10-0.30 second it can require to stop the timer that is so bad > it means everything for the solve done up to that point is completely > invalid. > > As to the argument about starting with the palms, I can see how the > worry is that the cuber could do a move on the cube before starting > the timer. > > Well I offer this solution. Is it even physically possible to > manipulate the cube before removing your hand from the contact pads if > the cube is 2cm away from any part of either hand? If it is, what if > you try 3cm? > > Say we discover the number where no matter what your hand size, it is > physically impossible to manuever your hand in such a way as to do a > move on the cube without it being glaringly obvious to the judge, or > without it starting the timer. > > Now take this distance and draw a V on the timer pad (I will mark this > out with tape of my timer and take a picture if you are confused on > what I mean). The cube will be placed inside this V at the end of the > inspection and the width of the V is such that no hand size can reach > the cube without leaving the timer pad. > > If you don't see what I mean please say so and I will take a picture > of this done on my timer. I can't see any way it is possible to > manipulate the cube before starting the timer even if you start with > the palms right where they meet the wrist. > > And I really am serious, can anyone describe to me a situation where > the stopping of the timer with the palms allows you to cheat in such a > way that is so immoral to the spirit of solving the cube in > competition that the entire solve must be thrown out? Please, just > put it into simple words, because I can't think of anything at all. I > have been cubing for 8 years and I cannot think of a single thing that > can be done in 0.10-0.30 seconds when you stop the timer that is > *this* bad and is *cheating on this scale*. > > And yes if you haven't noticed I think this rule is absolutely > completely and utterly retarded. I am using offensive language > because this rule offends me that much. I don't mean any offense to > any person in particular here, I am just angry in general that this > rule continues to exist when I think it is such a terrible and > horrible rule to have. > > Chris

Hey Tyson -- A quick clarifying question on format, because information in a couple postings is contradictory: Is the preliminary round of 3x3x3 going to be: - Three solves, rank by best time of those three solves, or - Five solves, rank by average (using middle three) We've got both mentioned in the below thread, so I thought I'd check. The official website says "Best of 3 solves. 36 advance.". Followup question: the "36 advance" means you take results from both days (Fri and Sat), combine them, and the top 36 overall advance. Correct? Thank you sir! yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > There is only one preliminary round, so it doesn't matter which day you > compete. > > If you can compete on Friday, it's probably best to show up on Friday. > If we run overtime on Friday or it's busy, then you can compete on > Saturday. > > This format is to accommodate an estimated of 120 competitors while > still allowing everyone to have 5 solves in the first round. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > >> Friday > >> 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > >> Best of 3 solves > >> 36 advance > >> Sat > >> 11:00AM 3x3x3 Speed Solve Preliminary Round > >> Best of 3 solves > >> 36 advance

Since I am practicing a lot on my 22 cube lately, the cube has really improved. I can do now a U2, F2, or R2,..etc. with only on little touch. Therefor my times are improving also. But while practicing on my stackmat, I kept noticing that my cube sometimes rotates while putting him down( throwing him down) and then he is unsolved again. Does anyone know what effect this has in competition? Is this + 2 seconds or disqualification? And does anyone see a way to change this fluency of my cube? Thanks Tobias D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" <none88yoo@...> wrote: > > yeah. i'm korean :) my english is so bad.. i hope you understand my > english... > ----------------------------------------------------- > > An-nyong haseyo. I'm not even going to attempt to continue in Korean but anyway... In a 3x3x3 cube, turning a face involves turning 4 edges and 4 corners. A 4-cycle is an odd permutation (more generally an n-cycle is an odd permutation if n is even and an even permutation if n is odd) - that is to say, it is a product of an odd number of 2-cycles. (Any permutation can be broken down into a product of 2-cycles. For a given permutation the breakdown will either always involve an odd number of 2-cycles or will always involve an even number of 2-cycles. This can be proven using determinants of matrices.) (a b c d)=(a b)(a c)(a d) or (a d)(a c)(a b) depending on which way you prefer to read permutations (some read left to right, some read right to left). In particular any quarter turn can be written as a product of 3 2-cycles of corners and 3 2- cycles of edges. So a sequence of n quarter turns amounts to a product of 3n 2-cycles of corners and 3n 2-cycles of edges. If n is even then both the corner and edge permutation will be even. If n is odd then both the corner and edge permutation will be odd. They will both be odd or they will both be even. Switching 2 corners only (and no edges) is an odd permutation of corners and an even permutation of edges, so it isn't possible. Switching 2 edges only (and no corners) is an odd permutation of edges and an even permutation of corners, so it isn't possible. On a 4x4x4, turning a face moves 8 edges and 4 corners (and 4 centres). The edge permutation for a quarter turn is a product of 2 4-cycles, and so of 6 2-cycles, so it is even, but the permutation of corners is a 4-cycle and so is odd. It is possible to have an even permutation of one and an odd permutation of the other. To create an odd permuation of edges, one cannot use only face turns (one must slice - a quarter slice gives a double 4-cycles of centres (even) and a single 4-cycle of edges (odd) and doesn't affect the corners (even).) The corner and centre permutations are thus both odd or both even (quarter slicing is even for centres and corners, quarter face turns is odd for centres and corners). It is possible to use slice moves to create an odd permutation of edges whilst not changing the corners (or indeed the centres). It is equally possible to create an odd permutation of corners (and centres) whilst not changing edges. An odd permutation of corners, of necessity, creates an odd permutation of centres. A pure switch (leaving centres, edges unchanged) is not possible. A pure switch of edges is possible. > > simple question.. > > why only 2cycle can't exist in 3x3x3 > > but.. > > 4x4x4 cube have only 2cycle...(edge or corner..) > > explain to me.. :) > > > ¿Ö 2cycleÀÌ 333Å¥ºê¿¡¼­ Á¸ÀçÇÏÁö ¾Ê´ÂÁö¸¦ ¼³¸íÇØÁÖ¼¼¿ä, > 444¿¡¼­´Â 2cycleÀÌ Á¸ÀçÇÏÀݾƿä..(ÄÚ³Ê ¶Ç´Â ¿§Áö°¡..) > > > ¼öÇÐÀûÀ¸·Î ¼³¸íÇØÁֽøé ÁÁ°Ú¾î¿ä >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_salvia" <d_j_salvia@...> wrote: > > Hi Chris, Tyson, et al, (him again!) > Hi David, > If I may make a suggestion. > > Since people's hands come in different sizes: > When the contestant approaches the timer to solve, in a competition, > they lay the heel of a hand just beyond the foward edge of the touch > pads. The judge then places a strip, maybe tape, at the fingertips of > the contestant's hand. The cube must then be placed on or beyond that > strip, with no part of the cube off the strip toward the contestant, > both before and after the solve. Then it doesn't matter what part of > the contestants hands are used to start and stop the timer. Ok, you get a relative standard fingers-puzzle distance. It's fair. I like the idea, theoretically. But I think the main problem is at the end of the solve. Unless someone explains me why starting with fingers flat on the pads is so wrong. > If a cube lands off to the side the same distance, that is, beyond the > hand's length, then it is still fair. > > Anyway, this would make it impossible to touch the cube with the hands > if the hands are on the touch pads. Yes, of course, if you make sure the cube and the hands are in different locations when stopping, the problem disappears. Judging becomes easy, very objective, because you put an additional clear physical constraint. But what kind of constraint is acceptable? Some cubers want to stop the timer so fast, they don't have time to think about finishing their last move, or they stop the timer with the cube in their hand. If you are the man who has to tell them they must drop the cube beyond a line, hire bodyguards before! Gilles. > > Wouldn't this be fair no matter the size of someone's hands? > > Regards, > > David J > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I agree that the rule is largely unknown, and it is unknown because it > > has *never* *been* *enforced*. > > > > Also, please someone explain to me, because it has never been > > satisfactorily explained to me, why stopping with the palms is so bad > > that it requires the disqualification of the entire solve? What > > situation is being prevented here? This situation is clearly so bad > > that it is considered complete and utter cheating, and its result is > > that the entire solve is completely invalid. > > > > For the life of me I can't think of anything that is possible to do in > > the 0.10-0.30 second it can require to stop the timer that is so bad > > it means everything for the solve done up to that point is completely > > invalid. > > > > As to the argument about starting with the palms, I can see how the > > worry is that the cuber could do a move on the cube before starting > > the timer. > > > > Well I offer this solution. Is it even physically possible to > > manipulate the cube before removing your hand from the contact pads if > > the cube is 2cm away from any part of either hand? If it is, what if > > you try 3cm? > > > > Say we discover the number where no matter what your hand size, it is > > physically impossible to manuever your hand in such a way as to do a > > move on the cube without it being glaringly obvious to the judge, or > > without it starting the timer. > > > > Now take this distance and draw a V on the timer pad (I will mark this > > out with tape of my timer and take a picture if you are confused on > > what I mean). The cube will be placed inside this V at the end of the > > inspection and the width of the V is such that no hand size can reach > > the cube without leaving the timer pad. > > > > If you don't see what I mean please say so and I will take a picture > > of this done on my timer. I can't see any way it is possible to > > manipulate the cube before starting the timer even if you start with > > the palms right where they meet the wrist. > > > > And I really am serious, can anyone describe to me a situation where > > the stopping of the timer with the palms allows you to cheat in such a > > way that is so immoral to the spirit of solving the cube in > > competition that the entire solve must be thrown out? Please, just > > put it into simple words, because I can't think of anything at all. I > > have been cubing for 8 years and I cannot think of a single thing that > > can be done in 0.10-0.30 seconds when you stop the timer that is > > *this* bad and is *cheating on this scale*. > > > > And yes if you haven't noticed I think this rule is absolutely > > completely and utterly retarded. I am using offensive language > > because this rule offends me that much. I don't mean any offense to > > any person in particular here, I am just angry in general that this > > rule continues to exist when I think it is such a terrible and > > horrible rule to have. > > > > Chris >

It works now. Thank you. _____ From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frank Morris Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 2:44 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 registration problems I have the same issue. James Stuber <jestuber@verizon.net> wrote: Whenever I click "submit registration" nothing happens. I've tried in FF and IE. Is nothing supposed to happen, or are you supposed to be taken to a confirmation page? Can I just register by email? Any help would be appretiated, because I can save money at the museum etc. -James Stuber _____ From: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Mao Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:45 PM To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com; blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube@yahoogroups.com; caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com Cc: Jeanne Marie Acceturo Subject: [Speed cubing group] Website for US Nationals 2006 So special thanks to Chris Pelley, we've got a website for US Nationals 2006: http://www.chrisandkori.us/fw/main/U_S_Nationals_2006-1504.html Go ahead and register online. The website should contain all the information for everything. I'm still working on competitor discounts for museum admission. We'll update that information on the website as it develops. 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Hi Tobias, If the side it turned past a certain point, you will get +2. It is defined here: http://www.speedcubing.com/events/regulations.html The best way I have seen to influence the cube can be found here: http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/competitiontutorial.html Scroll down to "Putting the cube down after you're done solving". His videos are great for showing this. Just note, he is not touching the cube when the timer is stoped. This is very important! Good luck! Peter Greenwood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tobias Daneels <cubewizzard@...> wrote: > > Since I am practicing a lot on my 22 cube lately, the cube has really improved. I can do now a U2, F2, or R2,..etc. with only on little touch. Therefor my times are improving also. But while practicing on my stackmat, I kept noticing that my cube sometimes rotates while putting him down( throwing him down) and then he is unsolved again. Does anyone know what effect this has in competition? Is this + 2 seconds or disqualification? And does anyone see a way to change this fluency of my cube? > > Thanks > Tobias D > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

In addition to Bob Burton's world record Magic performance (downloadable using http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt), I have made the following videos from the Trumbull competition available online, downloadable using the URLs listed. Cory's winning one-handed 27.80-second solve: http://tinyurl.com/hct7l Cory'S 4.34-second 2x2x2 solve: http://tinyurl.com/j6cju Craig'S Canadian record 4.93-second 2x2x2 solve: http://tinyurl.com/h9fdx Craig's Magic solves for Canadian record average (1st/fastest solve missing): http://tinyurl.com/zrhea Craig's Master Magic solves for Canadian record average: http://tinyurl.com/e9wm9 Matt's Canadian record 4x4x4 solve (ending part): http://tinyurl.com/kg7rg Nathaniel's personal best 14.09-second solve: http://tinyurl.com/jgdjj - Bruce Norskog

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > BTW, lim(x->0) of f(x)/g(x) <...> is 1, right? > Right indeed! > > I would also have answered "1". (Intuitively. Based on the > behavour of sin(x) and tg(x) around zero). You need very little information about how those functions behave near zero, so it may be possible to explain the result by drawing a simple diagram. > But do you take such a answer for an Answer? Oh, /you/ can decide whether you are satisfied with your answer! :) Mike

Mike, In my question was a mild reproach hidden. You put forward a very intriguing problem, someone guesses the answer and you hurry to say "correct". And with that the motivation had gone for those, who would like to try to solve the problem. I myself was fascinated by such problems for more than a half century ago and was going to try. But now.. On the other hand you probably saved me from a total failure. Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: mike_go_uk To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: (off topic) Calculus question --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > BTW, lim(x->0) of f(x)/g(x) <...> is 1, right? > Right indeed! > > I would also have answered "1". (Intuitively. Based on the > behavour of sin(x) and tg(x) around zero). You need very little information about how those functions behave near zero, so it may be possible to explain the result by drawing a simple diagram. > But do you take such a answer for an Answer? Oh, /you/ can decide whether you are satisfied with your answer! :) Mike SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This IS parity I believe. With regard to the edgeies, there remains a 2-cycle, and a single 2-cycle is parity according to any applicable mathematical definition I can think of. I use (l'U2l'U2)(F2l'F2)(rU2r')(U2l2), but really the z2 conjugate to it... I've only recently changed to this alg in the past few months. It's actaully not that uncommon of a problem, you *should* run into it one-half of the time, if you don't pair edges first. Sometimes I don't. Also on the 4x4, the location of a piece determines/forces its orientation. Thus it was redundant to state taht they need to be "exchanged and then oriented." (Well the "then" is wrong too, becasue you can't do one and not the other.) -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Emanuele" <bw.project@...> wrote: > > Hi everybody! > Does anyone know how to fix the parity case in the 4x4 where UFr has > to be exchanged with UBr and then oriented? > An image of this parity problem can be seen here: > > http://tinyurl.com/z54p2 > > Any help is appreciated. Thanks! >

Hi Rune --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > In my question was a mild reproach hidden. You put forward a very > intriguing problem, someone guesses the answer and you hurry to > say "correct". Well, it would be insulting to write "Correct! Did you guess -- or use Mathematica -- or laboriously manipulate the series expansions -- or what?" However: > And with that the motivation had gone for those, who would like > to try to solve the problem. Mmm... the very next reply was from someone saying "oh, the problem is solved now" (or similar). The defeatism surprised me. > I <...> was going to try. But now.. The interest, if any, isn't in the "answer" of 1. Mike

Just a little correction to what I said in my previous message... I incorrectly referred to Cory's 27.80-second one-handed solve as a "winning" solve. The solve was the fastest at the competition in that event, and Cory did win that event, but his winning was based on the average of his middle three solves, to my understanding. - Bruce Norskog --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > In addition to Bob Burton's world record Magic performance > (downloadable using http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt), I have made > the following videos from the Trumbull competition available > online, downloadable using the URLs listed. > > Cory's winning one-handed 27.80-second solve: > http://tinyurl.com/hct7l > > Cory'S 4.34-second 2x2x2 solve: > http://tinyurl.com/j6cju > > Craig'S Canadian record 4.93-second 2x2x2 solve: > http://tinyurl.com/h9fdx > > Craig's Magic solves for Canadian record average (1st/fastest solve > missing): > http://tinyurl.com/zrhea > > Craig's Master Magic solves for Canadian record average: > http://tinyurl.com/e9wm9 > > Matt's Canadian record 4x4x4 solve (ending part): > http://tinyurl.com/kg7rg > > Nathaniel's personal best 14.09-second solve: > http://tinyurl.com/jgdjj > > - Bruce Norskog >

Hi, Does somebody has a straightforward alg to fix the OLL parity + solve OLL for the following cases (except from fix the OLL parity first and then perform an OLL alg :p) on a 4x4x4: http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/speedcubing/rest/Ty2.bmp or http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/speedcubing/rest/T.bmp I don't care if the alg will also fix the PLL parity or not. Michael Fung

Supposing you in 1985 began to prove FLT, would you to-day go on with the same interest? Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: mike_go_uk To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: (off topic) Calculus question Hi Rune The interest, if any, isn't in the "answer" of 1. Mike SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi Tobias, > If the side it turned past a certain point, you will get +2. It is > defined here: http://www.speedcubing.com/events/regulations.html > The best way I have seen to influence the cube can be found here: > http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/competitiontutorial.html > Scroll down to "Putting the cube down after you're done solving". His > videos are great for showing this. Just note, he is not touching the > cube when the timer is stoped. This is very important! > > Good luck! > Peter Greenwood I know not everybody likes the rules they way they are, but do you think it's a good idea to encourage people to violate the rules?? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Supposing you in 1985 began to prove FLT, would you to-day > go on with the same interest? I don't see why someone who was sufficiently interested (and expert) shouldn't try to find a simpler proof of it. Preferably one that could be explained to me. ;) In the limit problem, we know before we start that (1) the "answer" (a number) could always be found by straightforward (but laborious) methods of hand calculation; e.g., l'Hopital's rule, or series expansion. (2) this "answer" could be found (more easily and reliably) by using a standard maths package such as Mathematica, without the user ever knowing the method. So the challenge is not simply to find the answer, but to find a method that you can feel happy about afterwards. Rubik's cube was first solved in the 1970s, and solution manuals have been available for many years. There are even computer programs that will do it for you. Why would anyone in 2006 want to sit down and work out a solution for themselves? Mike

The secret is that I didn't do any warm-up before my solves and I didn't practice since WC2005. I also sat down (which is different than usual) and I used my red magic (I usually use black). It could have been any number of things. :) Indeed, that was my first official blindfolded solve. I think I had 10 or 11 DNFs before that one. ;) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Man, quite a few news today on SCC. > > Congrats to Bob for the Magic WR! Now that you finally found the > secret to consistency, please tell me. Also congrats to your > blindsolve (your first official?). Congrats to Craig for winning > blindfold (practiced the evil alg?) and master magic! Oh master magic. > .. wow, Jimmy Coll brings the old method back at top. Incredible, I > thought it's obsolete now. Also wow, Ryan Patricio stayed sub30 all > his 5 onehanded solves and Leyan Lo far sub2 for all 3 blindsolves. > Great stuff. > > And to dig up some dirt.. watch closely how Thibaut puts his hands on > the sensors at start and (more clearly) at stop of the timer at the > French Nationals which he won: > http://grrroux.free.fr/VideosFrance2006/Felix_Jacquinot.avi > > Cheers! > Stefan >

If you get such consistent flickering on video, I'd say the refresh rate of both the display and your camera are about the same. I'm guessing any other framerate should do the trick... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without having > this problem ? > > Thanks :-) > Gilles.be >

You want your shutter speed to be slower than the refresh rate of what you're filming. If it's the same or higher, you run into this problem (similar to photographing a CRT image). Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" <allyourbase@...> wrote: > > If you get such consistent flickering on video, I'd say the refresh > rate of both the display and your camera are about the same. I'm > guessing any other framerate should do the trick... > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > > made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles- 16.19.wmv > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without having > > this problem ? > > > > Thanks :-) > > Gilles.be > > >

I have an NTSC video camera where the frame rate is supposed to be 29.97 frames per second, and it seems to work fine. I have only been to two competitions, and both of those competitions used the same displays, to my understanding. I notice in looking at my videos frame by frame, that the Stackmat display seems to be updating the number displayed about every .12 or .13 second or so, so that the same number is displayed in three or four consecutive frames, and then skips ahead to a different number. I may get an image that is a combination of both numbers in a frame where the number is changing. I haven't seen any cases in my video where a digit that should be active is blank. I know that manufacturers of electronic/electrical equipment may have slightly different models for use in different countries, because of language, line voltage, and line frequency issues. So I don't know if the Stackmat displays in my videos are just like the one you're using, Gilles. Also, the shutter speed of the camera may make a difference as well as the frame rate. A short shutter speed could be part of the problem you're seeing. - Bruce Norskog --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" <allyourbase@...> wrote: > > If you get such consistent flickering on video, I'd say the refresh > rate of both the display and your camera are about the same. I'm > guessing any other framerate should do the trick... > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > > made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without having > > this problem ? > > > > Thanks :-) > > Gilles.be > > >

At least you are not having the problem I had at the Dutch Open. :) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without having > this problem ? > > Thanks :-) > Gilles.be >

Bob, You remember me mentioning that happen to me on Saturday? I was like...ummmm...how does that work? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > At least you are not having the problem I had at the Dutch Open. :) > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > > made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without having > > this problem ? > > > > Thanks :-) > > Gilles.be > > >

http://grrroux.free.fr/red.jpg My first picture with Poser. Yeah I know, I have to fix her hair... Gilles.

Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. Peter Greenwood

That's odd, I don't have a problem getting to it Tim Reynolds --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > Peter Greenwood >

At first I had no clue what kind of Stackmat problem Bob was referring to. But with Craig's hint, I think I captured this problem on video twice on Saturday. I think this slow-motion video shows the problem, although I am unable to see anything on the video to explain why it happened: http://tinyurl.com/l55ym - Bruce Norskog --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > You remember me mentioning that happen to me on Saturday? I was > like...ummmm...how does that work? > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > At least you are not having the problem I had at the Dutch Open. :) > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > > > made this video : > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without having > > > this problem ? > > > > > > Thanks :-) > > > Gilles.be > > > > > >

Hey Peter, YA! i have the same problem! i was about to order some stickers and the site was gone. last checked 12:30pm +8:00GMT haha.,. do update! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > That's odd, I don't have a problem getting to it > > Tim Reynolds > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > > > Peter Greenwood > > >

Hey Peter, YA! i have the same problem! i was about to order some stickers and the site was gone. last checked 12:30pm +8:00GMT haha.,. do update! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > That's odd, I don't have a problem getting to it > > Tim Reynolds > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > > > Peter Greenwood > > >

i'm pretty sure he's switching hosting, i'm sure it will be back soon ----- Original Message ---- From: jeremy_tkr <jeremy_tkr@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:30:58 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Cubesmith? Hey Peter, YA! i have the same problem! i was about to order some stickers and the site was gone. last checked 12:30pm +8:00GMT haha.,. do update! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > That's odd, I don't have a problem getting to it > > Tim Reynolds > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > > > Peter Greenwood > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

MMM, the frame rate of this video is pretty poor : 12 images / second, that makes an image every 0.08 second. I will try again with 25 or 30 frames / second. Thx, Gilles.be 2006/5/31, Bruce Norskog <brnorsk@...>: > > At first I had no clue what kind of Stackmat problem Bob was referring > to. But with Craig's hint, I think I captured this problem on video > twice on Saturday. I think this slow-motion video shows the problem, > although I am unable to see anything on the video to explain why it > happened: http://tinyurl.com/l55ym > > - Bruce Norskog > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@...> wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > You remember me mentioning that happen to me on Saturday? I was > > like...ummmm...how does that work? > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > At least you are not having the problem I had at the Dutch Open. :) > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > > > > made this video : > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > > > > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > > > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without > having > > > > this problem ? > > > > > > > > Thanks :-) > > > > Gilles.be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

:) just almost(...) understand your reply :) thanks good guys~

Haha, Gilles! Is that how she looks right after you solved that cube in 15 seconds? - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > http://grrroux.free.fr/red.jpg > > My first picture with Poser. > Yeah I know, I have to fix her hair... > > Gilles. >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > In addition to Bob Burton's world record Magic performance > (downloadable using http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt), I have made > the following videos from the Trumbull competition available > online, downloadable using the URLs listed. > > Cory's winning one-handed 27.80-second solve: > http://tinyurl.com/hct7l > I think b4 competitions, both judges and competitors should have very clear instructions about this... - Joël.

About what? ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > > > In addition to Bob Burton's world record Magic performance > > (downloadable using http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt), I have made > > the following videos from the Trumbull competition available > > online, downloadable using the URLs listed. > > > > Cory's winning one-handed 27.80-second solve: > > http://tinyurl.com/hct7l > > > > I think b4 competitions, both judges and competitors should have very > clear instructions about this... > > - Joël. >

Hmm, I don't see what's going wrong... Maybe it's that, when he goes to pick up the cube, his wrist is hitting the Stackmat. Still hard to tell, though. As for the framerate, we can see that the timer first displays at 0.09, then around every 0.10 to 0.15 seconds. Just out of comparison, if you look at http://tinyurl.com/rqndl, the image for Macky's 12.11 second world record shows his hands stopping the timer when it says 11.95 on the timer. That means there was a delay of 0.16 seconds (possibly more) on either the first generation timer or the first generation display. Tim Reynolds --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > At first I had no clue what kind of Stackmat problem Bob was referring > to. But with Craig's hint, I think I captured this problem on video > twice on Saturday. I think this slow-motion video shows the problem, > although I am unable to see anything on the video to explain why it > happened: http://tinyurl.com/l55ym > > - Bruce Norskog > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > You remember me mentioning that happen to me on Saturday? I was > > like...ummmm...how does that work? > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > At least you are not having the problem I had at the Dutch Open. :) > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > > > > made this video : > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > > > > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > > > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without > having > > > > this problem ? > > > > > > > > Thanks :-) > > > > Gilles.be > > > > > > > > > >

I believe that the display is what lags and the timer keeps real-time. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > Hmm, I don't see what's going wrong... > Maybe it's that, when he goes to pick up the cube, his wrist is > hitting the Stackmat. Still hard to tell, though. > > As for the framerate, we can see that the timer first displays at > 0.09, then around every 0.10 to 0.15 seconds. Just out of > comparison, if you look at http://tinyurl.com/rqndl, the image for > Macky's 12.11 second world record shows his hands stopping the timer > when it says 11.95 on the timer. That means there was a delay of > 0.16 seconds (possibly more) on either the first generation timer or > the first generation display. > > Tim Reynolds > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > > > At first I had no clue what kind of Stackmat problem Bob was > referring > > to. But with Craig's hint, I think I captured this problem on video > > twice on Saturday. I think this slow-motion video shows the > problem, > > although I am unable to see anything on the video to explain why it > > happened: http://tinyurl.com/l55ym > > > > - Bruce Norskog > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > You remember me mentioning that happen to me on Saturday? I was > > > like...ummmm...how does that work? > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > <bob@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > At least you are not having the problem I had at the Dutch > Open. :) > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and > I just > > > > > made this video : > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > > > > > > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being > refreshed. > > > > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display > without > > having > > > > > this problem ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks :-) > > > > > Gilles.be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

About not starting/stopping the timer with your wrists... I don't really mind that judges are not too strict about this, or that competitors don't know all the rules (I also don't know everything perfectly), but we could at least try to instruct people about the rules properly. I think the only time i've seen instructions for competitors was at EC '04... they should do it more often. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > About what? > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > > > > > In addition to Bob Burton's world record Magic performance > > > (downloadable using http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt), I have made > > > the following videos from the Trumbull competition available > > > online, downloadable using the URLs listed. > > > > > > Cory's winning one-handed 27.80-second solve: > > > http://tinyurl.com/hct7l > > > > > > > I think b4 competitions, both judges and competitors should have very > > clear instructions about this... > > > > - Joël. > > >

I *think* Cory's still touching when he stops the timer. I'm *sure* he stops with the far heels of his hands, his fingers up in the air, particularly the hand which solved the cube. Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > About what? > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > > > > > In addition to Bob Burton's world record Magic performance > > > (downloadable using http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt), I have made > > > the following videos from the Trumbull competition available > > > online, downloadable using the URLs listed. > > > > > > Cory's winning one-handed 27.80-second solve: > > > http://tinyurl.com/hct7l > > > > > > > I think b4 competitions, both judges and competitors should have very > > clear instructions about this... > > > > - Joël. > > >

> I think b4 competitions, both judges and competitors should have very > clear instructions about this... Yes, just like when you take a plane. It's only a matter of 1 minute or 2 for everybody to remember perfectly the basic rules for timing, penalties and so on. Gilles.

Yes, theres that problem too...No, before I was referring to the problem of the timer skipping a second. It happened to Bob at Dutch Cube Day, and happened to me on the weekend. Though the problem you mentioned has happened to me quite a few times now, but only ever on my newer of 2 timers... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > At first I had no clue what kind of Stackmat problem Bob was referring > to. But with Craig's hint, I think I captured this problem on video > twice on Saturday. I think this slow-motion video shows the problem, > although I am unable to see anything on the video to explain why it > happened: http://tinyurl.com/l55ym > > - Bruce Norskog > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > You remember me mentioning that happen to me on Saturday? I was > > like...ummmm...how does that work? > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > At least you are not having the problem I had at the Dutch Open. :) > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > > > > made this video : > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > > > > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > > > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without > having > > > > this problem ? > > > > > > > > Thanks :-) > > > > Gilles.be > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > Peter Greenwood > CUBESMITH IS BACK~!!!

Hi guys, We want the WCA website to be cool and up-to-date. Currently the website www.worldcubeassociation.org is "ugly", lacks some important features and is hardly updated. So we need one or two (serious!) people who make a new design and implementation of the website. We have tried this before but found out that it takes dedication from people to make it happen. This is not something that you do in 1 day and then you are ready. It takes some creativity, design skills, good knowledge of a popular web content management system and a lot of time! We want a site that: = looks like what you would expect from an official organization: professional and interesting = loads fast = simple to update by non-technical people = uses a popular CMS (see http://www.opensourcecms.com ) with PHP and MySQL The site will offer all official stuff and the rest will be a slightly interactive site with interesting functionality. Ideas: = organization information (board, reports and so on) = regulations (including tournament information sets) = events (past and upcoming) = records and rankings = profiles (interactive stuff) = news = contact information = your ideas... For the world rankings we need to finalize the competition pages so that we can put all official results on the WCA site. Josef Jelinek is doing that part of the site. Example websites: = http://www.iaaf.org/ = http://www.uefa.com/ = http://www.fina.org/ If you are interested, serious, are willing to spend the required time and know what it takes to make the WCA site a big success, then please send me an e-mail. Thanks! Ron ron@speedcubing.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > I'm not sure if this deserves it's own post but this amused me; > > L R2 B2 F2 D' U' L' > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > ~Thom All of you solving 4x4 and cubes of higher order, why not try to find corresponding "algs" for those to be used as a standard "prescrambling"? R

> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. Did Thom ever put us out of our misery? Mine is continuing. Mike

I don't think so...I still didn't find the mean on this alg... Pedro mike_go_uk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. Did Thom ever put us out of our misery? Mine is continuing. Mike SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > I'll leave you to guess what it does for a while. > > Did Thom ever put us out of our misery? Mine is continuing. > > Mike > Sorry, I forgot about that. I think a few people got it pretty much right in that there was no more than two of each colour on each side. There were no adjacent matching colours, and you could see all six colours on each side. :) ~Thom

Misery or mystery? "I see two points of interest... every face has all 6 colors on it and no two adjacent cubie faces are the same color. It is a nice algorithm for creating a very "scrambled-looking" cube. I suppose this could be used for a speedsolving trick to entertain non-cubers, but ultimately I just like it for aesthetic reasons." (Matt M) Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: mike_go_uk Did Thom ever put us out of our misery? Mine is continuing. Mike SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > Sorry, I forgot about that. I think a few people got it pretty much > right in that there was no more than two of each colour on each side. > There were no adjacent matching colours, and you could see all six > colours on each side. Ah, thanks. I saw those responses, but wondered if you were quietly chuckling while everyone was barking up the wrong tree. Misery ended. :) Mike

On 6/1/06, thomkirjava <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > Sorry, I forgot about that. I think a few people got it pretty much > right in that there was no more than two of each colour on each side. > There were no adjacent matching colours, and you could see all six > colours on each side. Is that the shortest sequence that creates these conditions?

Is there a square-1 method that requires MORE than 3 algorithms (I dont want to use that method... too simple, and I'm willing to learn more algorithms for a better solve). I dont want to use Lars V expert solution, though.. there are like 52108 algorithms on there and I';m not dedicating that much time to this puzzle at the moment. I'd certainly be willing to memorize a dozen algs for this... What should I do? David --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David Barr" <david20708@...> wrote: > > On 6/1/06, thomkirjava <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > Sorry, I forgot about that. I think a few people got it pretty much > > right in that there was no more than two of each colour on each side. > > There were no adjacent matching colours, and you could see all six > > colours on each side. > > Is that the shortest sequence that creates these conditions? > I assume so. The nearest I've seen to this is 9 moves.

Where can I buy stackmats? stupid question i know...

Where can I go to buy a tiled cube? Internet or physical store, either is fine.

www.speedstacks.com ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "morethanfourlove" <morethanfourlove@...> wrote: > > Where can I buy stackmats? > > stupid question i know... >

Why not learn just the algs required from Lars V's page that are required? You can solve Square-1 in 1-2 minutes using only like 5 of his algs...well, I can. And I suck at Square-1. :P ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > Is there a square-1 method that requires MORE than 3 algorithms (I dont want to use that method... too simple, and I'm willing to learn more algorithms for a better solve). > > I dont want to use Lars V expert solution, though.. there are like 52108 algorithms on there and I';m not dedicating that much time to this puzzle at the moment. > > I'd certainly be willing to memorize a dozen algs for this... > > What should I do? > > David > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

PLL n16 or like this anyone know another algorithm start of D?(D') I saw Jean Pons using that... Have a good day :)

n16 on which site? none88yoo <none88yoo@...> escreveu: PLL n16 or like this anyone know another algorithm start of D?(D') I saw Jean Pons using that... Have a good day :) SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail - 1GB de espaço, alertas de e-mail no celular e anti-spam realmente eficaz. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

usual alg : (R2' u)(R' U R' U' R u' R2) y' (R' U R) other alg : (R2 U)(R' U R' U' R U' R2)U' D(R' U R)U D' variation : [U] D' (R2 U)(R' U R' U' R U' R2)U' D(R' U R)

Recently, I got an Eastsheen 2x2x2 cube from meffers.com, and it turns well, although it is hard to perform multiple moves smoothly. I am assuming that this is because I need to lube it. Recently, I purchased the lube that can be found at http://www.castleproductsonline.com/silicone_lubricant.html. What is the safest way to take apart the 2x2x2, and how do I put it back together again, once it's lubed?

Ron, I am a serious web developer with serious skills and also a serious lack of free time, and I believe I am not the only one. That's why I cannot offer to create a website, but why not try the open source idea of lots of people doing small amounts of work? I am willing to give advice and occasionally do a little programming or styling. Michiel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > We want the WCA website to be cool and up-to-date. > Currently the website www.worldcubeassociation.org is "ugly", lacks > some important features and is hardly updated. > > So we need one or two (serious!) people who make a new design and > implementation of the website. >

Ron, I'm Drei harte on the forums. WHile I might not have perfect website crafting skills, I certainly can keep the forums up and running, even take the place of updating. I mean, If I had some time, I could figure out how to make the site more Appealing. Maybe I can get a chance? Sorry for just appearing. >From: "Michiel van der Blonk" <blonkm@...> >Reply-To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com >To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Help for WCA website >Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:42:15 -0000 > >Ron, > >I am a serious web developer with serious skills and also a serious >lack of free time, and I believe I am not the only one. That's why I >cannot offer to create a website, but why not try the open source >idea of lots of people doing small amounts of work? I am willing to >give advice and occasionally do a little programming or styling. > >Michiel > >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@...> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > We want the WCA website to be cool and up-to-date. > > Currently the website www.worldcubeassociation.org is "ugly", >lacks > > some important features and is hardly updated. > > > > So we need one or two (serious!) people who make a new design and > > implementation of the website. > > > > > >

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Finally I made another video with another frame rate and there is no problem now. :-) (30 frame / second is a good frame rate :-)) Gilles. 2006/6/1, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...>: > > Yes, theres that problem too...No, before I was referring to the > problem of the timer skipping a second. It happened to Bob at Dutch > Cube Day, and happened to me on the weekend. Though the problem you > mentioned has happened to me quite a few times now, but only ever on > my newer of 2 timers... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > > > At first I had no clue what kind of Stackmat problem Bob was referring > > to. But with Craig's hint, I think I captured this problem on video > > twice on Saturday. I think this slow-motion video shows the problem, > > although I am unable to see anything on the video to explain why it > > happened: http://tinyurl.com/l55ym > > > > - Bruce Norskog > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > You remember me mentioning that happen to me on Saturday? I was > > > like...ummmm...how does that work? > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > At least you are not having the problem I had at the Dutch Open. :) > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > I received a few days ago a stackmat tournament display and I just > > > > > made this video : > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/333-Gilles-16.19.wmv > > > > > > > > > > As you can see, the time is not consistent and is being refreshed. > > > > > Which framerate is the most suitable to film a display without > > having > > > > > this problem ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks :-) > > > > > Gilles.be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello there, I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this puzzle. I made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p Any tips for this puzzle ? Thank you :-) Gilles.

Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Hello there, > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > puzzle. > I made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > Thank you :-) > Gilles. >

Weird, you're the 3rd person I know thats made one in the last little bit... Me, Tim Reynolds and you...Last I heard Tim was averaging around 10 (like 2-3 days after making it) and today, the 2-3 day after making it I got 7.96 single and 9.03 average...I use Bob's way...or Alexander's hehe...its alexanders :p Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > Hello there, > > > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > > puzzle. > > I made this video : > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > > because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the > > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > Thank you :-) > > Gilles. > > >

Hehe, just after making it I tried to see one of the videos I could find to make sure it was solvable but I didn't managed to do the moves correctly so I just worked on it. I still think that my method has a very impressive start : double transformation + first flip = 2/3 of the tiles aligned correctly. But 4 or 5 of them are just on the other side of where they are supposed to go so it takes a little time :-( Thanks for the slow video :-) Gilles. 2006/6/2, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...>: > > Weird, you're the 3rd person I know thats made one in the last little > bit... > > Me, Tim Reynolds and you...Last I heard Tim was averaging around 10 > (like 2-3 days after making it) and today, the 2-3 day after making it > I got 7.96 single and 9.03 average...I use Bob's way...or Alexander's > hehe...its alexanders :p > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> > wrote: > > > > Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > > > puzzle. > > > I made this video : > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > > > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > > > because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the > > > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > > > Thank you :-) > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > puzzle. > I made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59. 07.wmv I'd like to try that, please write down that algorithm. And I like how the dog barks when at the command of your thumb. Cheers! Stefan

haha, that video is cool looks like you'll break the puzzle at any time Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > puzzle. > I made this video : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59. 07.wmv I'd like to try that, please write down that algorithm. And I like how the dog barks when at the command of your thumb. Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games Game puzzle --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi everyone, Starting from next week the FMC at Dan's CubeStation will undergo some big changes. The system will be much more automatic compared to the current system, and has one or two nifty featues. You now need an FMC Account to submit solutions to the FMC. If you have participated in the FMC before, then if I have an email address for you, I will send you your username and password. Sometime after 12pm on Sunday, I shall launch the new FMC pages, and once they are online, you will be able to update your user details by logging onto your account via the FMC control panel. I recommend that you check your details carefully and make any corrections if I entered anything in wrong. If you have participated in the FMC before, and haven't received details of your account, then please send me an email at fmc@... If you've never participated in the FMC before, then you can easily create an account to allow you to submit your entries, The new system will automatically check and validate your solution, and either prevent you from submitting if your solution is invalid, or count up all the necessary move counts so all you need to enter is your user/pass and a quote if you want to. I have to approve solutions before they will be displayed on the results page after the challenge deadline expires. Only your most recent solution up until the deadline will count. I am not expecting the transition to be smooth, I am sure there will be some glitches along the way, but please bear with me and I am sure that we will be able to sort them out as they appear. If you find any bugs, please report them to me on fmc@... If anything major happens, then I will revert back to the old system, and try to fix it offline :) I really hope that you will enjoy the new system, thank you for making the FMC a great competition to run. Many many thanks to Charlie Tsai and Craig Vincent, without who the new system would not be possible, I am forever indebted to you guys. DanH :) - www.cubestation.co.uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Actually, it's Jaap's, but Alexander and I have both made mods to it. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Weird, you're the 3rd person I know thats made one in the last little > bit... > > Me, Tim Reynolds and you...Last I heard Tim was averaging around 10 > (like 2-3 days after making it) and today, the 2-3 day after making it > I got 7.96 single and 9.03 average...I use Bob's way...or Alexander's > hehe...its alexanders :p > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > > > puzzle. > > > I made this video : > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > > > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > > > because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the > > > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > > > Thank you :-) > > > Gilles. > > > > > >

I made three videos and all require divX: Slow (15s): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi Faster (6.93): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to cooperate anymore :( Enjoy. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > Hello there, > > > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > > puzzle. > > I made this video : > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > > because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the > > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > Thank you :-) > > Gilles. > > >

Thank you very much :-) But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very first flips. As you can see here : http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my puzzle ? :p Thanx :p Gilles.be :-) Bob Burton a �crit : > I made three videos and all require divX: > > Slow (15s): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > Faster (6.93): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > > Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to cooperate > anymore :( > > Enjoy. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> > wrote: > >> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) >> >> ~ Bob >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" >> <gillesvdp@> wrote: >> >>> Hello there, >>> >>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. >>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this >>> puzzle. >>> I made this video : >>> >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv >> >>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D >>> >>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it >>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) >>> because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the >>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p >>> >>> Any tips for this puzzle ? >>> >>> Thank you :-) >>> Gilles. >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings follow a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the same as a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not sure whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Thank you very much :-) > But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very first flips. > As you can see here : > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > > Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my puzzle ? :p > > Thanx :p > Gilles.be :-) > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > I made three videos and all require divX: > > > > Slow (15s): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > > Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > > Faster (6.93): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > > > > Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to cooperate > > anymore :( > > > > Enjoy. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > >> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > >> > >> ~ Bob > >> > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > >> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello there, > >>> > >>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > >>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > >>> puzzle. > >>> I made this video : > >>> > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > >> > >>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > >>> > >>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > >>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > >>> because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the > >>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > >>> > >>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > >>> > >>> Thank you :-) > >>> Gilles. > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are well connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special magicballs puzzle. Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a competition, will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe there is another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire puzz:le :p) I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. Gilles. Bob Burton a �crit : > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings follow > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the same as > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not sure > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > >> Thank you very much :-) >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very first >> > flips. > >> As you can see here : >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv >> >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my puzzle >> > ? :p > >> Thanx :p >> Gilles.be :-) >> >> Bob Burton a �crit : >> >>> I made three videos and all require divX: >>> >>> Slow (15s): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi >>> Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi >>> Faster (6.93): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi >>> >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to cooperate >>> anymore :( >>> >>> Enjoy. >>> >>> ~ Bob >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) >>>> >>>> ~ Bob >>>> >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello there, >>>>> >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this >>>>> puzzle. >>>>> I made this video : >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv >>>> >>>> >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D >>>>> >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly >>>>> > in the > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p >>>>> >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you :-) >>>>> Gilles. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Hi Gilles, I think I am the best to answer your question, as I restrung the full thing 2-3 times, half 3-4 times, and just a few pieces 1-2 times...You have the strings on backwards, happened to me my first try. I was quite bothered, and I still have to fix my puzzle again, as one of the inserts got twisted 90 degrees on one side...So...yah...I've gotten a lot better at restringing now tho :):) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just > before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are well > connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special > magicballs puzzle. > Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a competition, > will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe there is > another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire puzz:le :p) > I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. > > Gilles. > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings follow > > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the same as > > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not sure > > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > >> Thank you very much :-) > >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very first > >> > > flips. > > > >> As you can see here : > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > >> > >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my puzzle > >> > > ? :p > > > >> Thanx :p > >> Gilles.be :-) > >> > >> Bob Burton a écrit : > >> > >>> I made three videos and all require divX: > >>> > >>> Slow (15s): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > >>> Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > >>> Faster (6.93): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > >>> > >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to cooperate > >>> anymore :( > >>> > >>> Enjoy. > >>> > >>> ~ Bob > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > >>>> > >>>> ~ Bob > >>>> > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hello there, > >>>>> > >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > >>>>> puzzle. > >>>>> I made this video : > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > >>>>> > >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly > >>>>> > > in the > > > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > >>>>> > >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you :-) > >>>>> Gilles. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don't worry. There is no way the puzzle will ever be in a competition. It is too rare and hasn't been in production in forever. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just > before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are well > connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special > magicballs puzzle. > Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a competition, > will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe there is > another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire puzz:le :p) > I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. > > Gilles. > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings follow > > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the same as > > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not sure > > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > >> Thank you very much :-) > >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very first > >> > > flips. > > > >> As you can see here : > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > >> > >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my puzzle > >> > > ? :p > > > >> Thanx :p > >> Gilles.be :-) > >> > >> Bob Burton a écrit : > >> > >>> I made three videos and all require divX: > >>> > >>> Slow (15s): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > >>> Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > >>> Faster (6.93): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > >>> > >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to cooperate > >>> anymore :( > >>> > >>> Enjoy. > >>> > >>> ~ Bob > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > >>>> > >>>> ~ Bob > >>>> > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hello there, > >>>>> > >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > >>>>> puzzle. > >>>>> I made this video : > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > >>>>> > >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly > >>>>> > > in the > > > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > >>>>> > >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you :-) > >>>>> Gilles. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Oh Bob, thats where you are wrong my friend :D Message me if u wanna know whats going on in my mind :p Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > Don't worry. There is no way the puzzle will ever be in a > competition. It is too rare and hasn't been in production in forever. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just > > before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are > well > > connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special > > magicballs puzzle. > > Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a competition, > > will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe there is > > another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire > puzz:le :p) > > I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. > > > > Gilles. > > > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings follow > > > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the same as > > > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > > > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not sure > > > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > >> Thank you very much :-) > > >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very first > > >> > > > flips. > > > > > >> As you can see here : > > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > > >> > > >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my puzzle > > >> > > > ? :p > > > > > >> Thanx :p > > >> Gilles.be :-) > > >> > > >> Bob Burton a écrit : > > >> > > >>> I made three videos and all require divX: > > >>> > > >>> Slow (15s): > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > > >>> Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > > >>> Faster (6.93): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > > >>> > > >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to > cooperate > > >>> anymore :( > > >>> > > >>> Enjoy. > > >>> > > >>> ~ Bob > > >>> > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > >>>> > > >>>> ~ Bob > > >>>> > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Hello there, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > this > > >>>>> puzzle. > > >>>>> I made this video : > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > >>>>> > > >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > but it > > >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > > >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly > > >>>>> > > > in the > > > > > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thank you :-) > > >>>>> Gilles. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I don't quite understand how people are solving it with the cross on the bottom. I don't get how you are supposed to solve the cross without really ever looking at it. Do you guys just memorize the bottom and just build the other edges around it? I tried doing it and it just doesn't work.

so basically I just need to unstring everything and make sure the strings are on the opposite side whan I string it again ? Thx :-) Gilles. 2006/6/3, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...>: > > Oh Bob, thats where you are wrong my friend :D Message me if u wanna > know whats going on in my mind :p > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> > wrote: > > > > Don't worry. There is no way the puzzle will ever be in a > > competition. It is too rare and hasn't been in production in forever. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just > > > before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are > > well > > > connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special > > > magicballs puzzle. > > > Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a > competition, > > > will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe > there is > > > another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire > > puzz:le :p) > > > I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > > > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings > follow > > > > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the > same as > > > > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > > > > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not > sure > > > > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Thank you very much :-) > > > >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very > first > > > >> > > > > flips. > > > > > > > >> As you can see here : > > > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > > > >> > > > >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my > puzzle > > > >> > > > > ? :p > > > > > > > >> Thanx :p > > > >> Gilles.be :-) > > > >> > > > >> Bob Burton a écrit : > > > >> > > > >>> I made three videos and all require divX: > > > >>> > > > >>> Slow (15s): > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > > > >>> Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > > > >>> Faster (6.93): > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > > > >>> > > > >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to > > cooperate > > > >>> anymore :( > > > >>> > > > >>> Enjoy. > > > >>> > > > >>> ~ Bob > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ~ Bob > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Hello there, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > > this > > > >>>>> puzzle. > > > >>>>> I made this video : > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > > but it > > > >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs > ? :D) > > > >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly > > > >>>>> > > > > in the > > > > > > > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thank you :-) > > > >>>>> Gilles. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello, Well the main thing is that you have to know your color scheme. With white on the bottome, you have blue -> red -> green -> orange -> blue ..... (I have a cube with 5 sides lol :D) Plus with training you will be able to generate the entire sequence of moves to solve the cross during pre-inspection. (Cases are quite similar even though there are lots of them.) So I just recommend you to take some time and just train on it. You will get used to it if you want to use this technique. An advantage of this technique is that it allows you to foresee some F2L pieces and of course you do not have to rotate the cube. But everyone remembers Jean Pons' 11.75 second solve at the Dutch Open 2005.... Have fun ! Gilles. 2006/6/3, helloiamchow <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > I don't quite understand how people are solving it with the cross on > the bottom. I don't get how you are supposed to solve the cross > without really ever looking at it. Do you guys just memorize the > bottom and just build the other edges around it? I tried doing it and > it just doesn't work. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Gilles, --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_salvia" > <d_j_salvia@> wrote: > > > > Hi Chris, Tyson, et al, (him again!) > > > > Hi David, > > > If I may make a suggestion. > > > > Since people's hands come in different sizes: > > When the contestant approaches the timer to solve, in a competition, > > they lay the heel of a hand just beyond the foward edge of the touch > > pads. The judge then places a strip, maybe tape, at the fingertips of > > the contestant's hand. The cube must then be placed on or beyond that > > strip, with no part of the cube off the strip toward the contestant, > > both before and after the solve. Then it doesn't matter what part of > > the contestants hands are used to start and stop the timer. > > Ok, you get a relative standard fingers-puzzle distance. It's fair. I > like the idea, theoretically. OK. So far so good. > But I think the main problem is at the end of the solve. Unless > someone explains me why starting with fingers flat on the pads is so > wrong. > > > If a cube lands off to the side the same distance, that is, beyond the > > hand's length, then it is still fair. > > > > Anyway, this would make it impossible to touch the cube with the hands > > if the hands are on the touch pads. > > Yes, of course, if you make sure the cube and the hands are in > different locations when stopping, the problem disappears. > Judging becomes easy, very objective, because you put an additional > clear physical constraint. > > But what kind of constraint is acceptable? Well we can't put the pads further apart, can we? Or have the touch pads up instead of down? That would have to adjustable. > Some cubers want to stop the timer so fast, they don't have time to > think about finishing their last move, or they stop the timer with the > cube in their hand. If you are the man who has to tell them they must > drop the cube beyond a line, hire bodyguards before! > > Gilles. The spirit of any rule there would be that the cube is no longer deliberately changed after the timer is stopped. Conceivably someone could stop the timer with both palms and still be holding the cube which was solved. Is seeing this clearly beyond the ken of judges? Could there be a video camera placed for when there is a need for a judgment call? Could we be allowed to stop the timer with one hand on one pad and the press the other pad with the cube itself? The idea I like best: how about something like a small sticker on the cube, which if someone is touching the cube and the pad, a connection is made which will prevent the timer from stopping. Then the contestant must make sure that he's not touching the cube. Can that be done? Cheers, David J > > > > Wouldn't this be fair no matter the size of someone's hands? > > > > Regards, > > > > David J > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I agree that the rule is largely unknown, and it is unknown because it > > > has *never* *been* *enforced*. > > > > > > Also, please someone explain to me, because it has never been > > > satisfactorily explained to me, why stopping with the palms is so bad > > > that it requires the disqualification of the entire solve? What > > > situation is being prevented here? This situation is clearly so bad > > > that it is considered complete and utter cheating, and its result is > > > that the entire solve is completely invalid. > > > > > > For the life of me I can't think of anything that is possible to do in > > > the 0.10-0.30 second it can require to stop the timer that is so bad > > > it means everything for the solve done up to that point is completely > > > invalid. > > > > > > As to the argument about starting with the palms, I can see how the > > > worry is that the cuber could do a move on the cube before starting > > > the timer. > > > > > > Well I offer this solution. Is it even physically possible to > > > manipulate the cube before removing your hand from the contact pads if > > > the cube is 2cm away from any part of either hand? If it is, what if > > > you try 3cm? > > > > > > Say we discover the number where no matter what your hand size, it is > > > physically impossible to manuever your hand in such a way as to do a > > > move on the cube without it being glaringly obvious to the judge, or > > > without it starting the timer. > > > > > > Now take this distance and draw a V on the timer pad (I will mark this > > > out with tape of my timer and take a picture if you are confused on > > > what I mean). The cube will be placed inside this V at the end of the > > > inspection and the width of the V is such that no hand size can reach > > > the cube without leaving the timer pad. > > > > > > If you don't see what I mean please say so and I will take a picture > > > of this done on my timer. I can't see any way it is possible to > > > manipulate the cube before starting the timer even if you start with > > > the palms right where they meet the wrist. > > > > > > And I really am serious, can anyone describe to me a situation where > > > the stopping of the timer with the palms allows you to cheat in such a > > > way that is so immoral to the spirit of solving the cube in > > > competition that the entire solve must be thrown out? Please, just > > > put it into simple words, because I can't think of anything at all. I > > > have been cubing for 8 years and I cannot think of a single thing that > > > can be done in 0.10-0.30 seconds when you stop the timer that is > > > *this* bad and is *cheating on this scale*. > > > > > > And yes if you haven't noticed I think this rule is absolutely > > > completely and utterly retarded. I am using offensive language > > > because this rule offends me that much. I don't mean any offense to > > > any person in particular here, I am just angry in general that this > > > rule continues to exist when I think it is such a terrible and > > > horrible rule to have. > > > > > > Chris > > >

I've inquired about it and that is what I was told. :P ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Oh Bob, thats where you are wrong my friend :D Message me if u wanna > know whats going on in my mind :p > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > Don't worry. There is no way the puzzle will ever be in a > > competition. It is too rare and hasn't been in production in forever. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just > > > before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are > > well > > > connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special > > > magicballs puzzle. > > > Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a > competition, > > > will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe > there is > > > another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire > > puzz:le :p) > > > I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > > > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings > follow > > > > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the > same as > > > > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > > > > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not > sure > > > > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Thank you very much :-) > > > >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very > first > > > >> > > > > flips. > > > > > > > >> As you can see here : > > > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > > > >> > > > >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my > puzzle > > > >> > > > > ? :p > > > > > > > >> Thanx :p > > > >> Gilles.be :-) > > > >> > > > >> Bob Burton a écrit : > > > >> > > > >>> I made three videos and all require divX: > > > >>> > > > >>> Slow (15s): > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > > > >>> Fast (7.49): http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > > > >>> Faster (6.93): > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > > > >>> > > > >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to > > cooperate > > > >>> anymore :( > > > >>> > > > >>> Enjoy. > > > >>> > > > >>> ~ Bob > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ~ Bob > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Hello there, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > > this > > > >>>>> puzzle. > > > >>>>> I made this video : > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > > but it > > > >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs > ? :D) > > > >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly > > > >>>>> > > > > in the > > > > > > > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thank you :-) > > > >>>>> Gilles. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

OK I will try to find time to do that one soon. Basically I will start with one of the sides and make sure I can do the first flip. If not, i start agan. If I can do it, then it's OK :-) I will keep you updated :-) Thx, Gilles. 2006/6/3, Bob Burton <bob@...>: > > I've inquired about it and that is what I was told. :P > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@...> wrote: > > > > Oh Bob, thats where you are wrong my friend :D Message me if u wanna > > know whats going on in my mind :p > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Don't worry. There is no way the puzzle will ever be in a > > > competition. It is too rare and hasn't been in production in forever. > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just > > > > before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are > > > well > > > > connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special > > > > magicballs puzzle. > > > > Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a > > competition, > > > > will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe > > there is > > > > another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire > > > puzz:le :p) > > > > I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. > > > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > > > > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings > > follow > > > > > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the > > same as > > > > > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > > > > > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not > > sure > > > > > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Thank you very much :-) > > > > >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very > > first > > > > >> > > > > > flips. > > > > > > > > > >> As you can see here : > > > > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > > > > >> > > > > >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my > > puzzle > > > > >> > > > > > ? :p > > > > > > > > > >> Thanx :p > > > > >> Gilles.be :-) > > > > >> > > > > >> Bob Burton a écrit : > > > > >> > > > > >>> I made three videos and all require divX: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Slow (15s): > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > > > > >>> Fast (7.49): > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > > > > >>> Faster (6.93): > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to > > > cooperate > > > > >>> anymore :( > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Enjoy. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ~ Bob > > > > >>> > > > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > <bob@> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> ~ Bob > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > > >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> Hello there, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > > >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > > > this > > > > >>>>> puzzle. > > > > >>>>> I made this video : > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > > > but it > > > > >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs > > ? :D) > > > > >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made > unwillingly > > > > >>>>> > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Thank you :-) > > > > >>>>> Gilles. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We are talking about 2 different things :P Not really, but u know... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > I've inquired about it and that is what I was told. :P > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Oh Bob, thats where you are wrong my friend :D Message me if u wanna > > know whats going on in my mind :p > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Don't worry. There is no way the puzzle will ever be in a > > > competition. It is too rare and hasn't been in production in forever. > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just > > > > before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are > > > well > > > > connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special > > > > magicballs puzzle. > > > > Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a > > competition, > > > > will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe > > there is > > > > another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire > > > puzz:le :p) > > > > I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. > > > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > > > > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings > > follow > > > > > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the > > same as > > > > > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > > > > > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not > > sure > > > > > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Thank you very much :-) > > > > >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very > > first > > > > >> > > > > > flips. > > > > > > > > > >> As you can see here : > > > > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > > > > >> > > > > >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my > > puzzle > > > > >> > > > > > ? :p > > > > > > > > > >> Thanx :p > > > > >> Gilles.be :-) > > > > >> > > > > >> Bob Burton a écrit : > > > > >> > > > > >>> I made three videos and all require divX: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Slow (15s): > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > > > > >>> Fast (7.49): > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > > > > >>> Faster (6.93): > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to > > > cooperate > > > > >>> anymore :( > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Enjoy. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ~ Bob > > > > >>> > > > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > <bob@> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> ~ Bob > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > > >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> Hello there, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > > >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > > > this > > > > >>>>> puzzle. > > > > >>>>> I made this video : > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > > > but it > > > > >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs > > ? :D) > > > > >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made > unwillingly > > > > >>>>> > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Thank you :-) > > > > >>>>> Gilles. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hahaha, that's exactly what I thought. When I did those first 4 tiles I went to make it right...and then bam...it didn't like me, then one time I used my brain and flipped it under instead of over, and it worked...I was ready to kill myself... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > OK I will try to find time to do that one soon. > Basically I will start with one of the sides and make sure I can do the > first flip. If not, i start agan. If I can do it, then it's OK :-) > > I will keep you updated :-) > Thx, > Gilles. > > 2006/6/3, Bob Burton <bob@...>: > > > > I've inquired about it and that is what I was told. :P > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > Oh Bob, thats where you are wrong my friend :D Message me if u wanna > > > know whats going on in my mind :p > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't worry. There is no way the puzzle will ever be in a > > > > competition. It is too rare and hasn't been in production in forever. > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When I perform the solution on the other side, at some point (just > > > > > before the final transformations), there are lots of tiles that are > > > > well > > > > > connected. I think I need to adapt the 3 last steps to my special > > > > > magicballs puzzle. > > > > > Just a question : if there is ever a MagicBalls event in a > > > competition, > > > > > will I be able to compete with mine ? (I suppose no but maybe > > > there is > > > > > another answer that could prevent me from restringing the entire > > > > puzz:le :p) > > > > > I will tell you if I find anything for the final steps. > > > > > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > > Bob Burton a écrit : > > > > > > You've strung your puzzle differently, I think. Do the strings > > > follow > > > > > > a pattern in the opposite direction as the Magic (and thus the > > > same as > > > > > > a Master Magic)? I THINK (though I could be wrong) that if you > > > > > > flipped your puzzle over, you could apply the solution. I'm not > > > sure > > > > > > whether or not it would solve the puzzle, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > > > > Peereboom <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thank you very much :-) > > > > > >> But there is a very little problem : I cannot perform the very > > > first > > > > > >> > > > > > > flips. > > > > > > > > > > > >> As you can see here : > > > > > >> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-Problem.wmv > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Do I have problems with my eyes or is there a problem with my > > > puzzle > > > > > >> > > > > > > ? :p > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanx :p > > > > > >> Gilles.be :-) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Bob Burton a écrit : > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> I made three videos and all require divX: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Slow (15s): > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballssolution.avi > > > > > >>> Fast (7.49): > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs749.avi > > > > > >>> Faster (6.93): > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/temp/burtonmagicballs693.avi > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Unfortunately, I replaced too many strings for my puzzle to > > > > cooperate > > > > > >>> anymore :( > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Enjoy. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ~ Bob > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > > <bob@> > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> ~ Bob > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > > > >>>> <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> Hello there, > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > > > >>>>> I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > > > > this > > > > > >>>>> puzzle. > > > > > >>>>> I made this video : > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > > > > but it > > > > > >>>>> was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs > > > ? :D) > > > > > >>>>> because during my first flips some others were made > > unwillingly > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Thank you :-) > > > > > >>>>> Gilles. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Yahoo! 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Wow, more Magic Balls people! cool! By the way, I got 8.18 the day after making it and haven't improved since...well, I haven't really been able to practice since. I definately need to make the transform that changes shape to a huge rectangle and back better, but my main point I need to work on is the end, specifically the transform on the right arm. Bob, your videos will be a tremendous help. Well, I'm exhausted from ARML, so I'll shut up before I become completely incoherent. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Weird, you're the 3rd person I know thats made one in the last little > bit... > > Me, Tim Reynolds and you...Last I heard Tim was averaging around 10 > (like 2-3 days after making it) and today, the 2-3 day after making it > I got 7.96 single and 9.03 average...I use Bob's way...or Alexander's > hehe...its alexanders :p > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on this > > > puzzle. > > > I made this video : > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve but it > > > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the magicballs ? :D) > > > because during my first flips some others were made unwillingly in the > > > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > > > Thank you :-) > > > Gilles. > > > > > >

Hey Camel Face (lol) I did a 7.70 :) and I've done 7.96, only 2 sub-8s...hehehe... Bye *TIMOTHY* (haha Bob) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > Wow, more Magic Balls people! cool! > By the way, I got 8.18 the day after making it and haven't improved > since...well, I haven't really been able to practice since. > > I definately need to make the transform that changes shape to a huge > rectangle and back better, but my main point I need to work on is > the end, specifically the transform on the right arm. Bob, your > videos will be a tremendous help. > > Well, I'm exhausted from ARML, so I'll shut up before I become > completely incoherent. > > Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Weird, you're the 3rd person I know thats made one in the last > little > > bit... > > > > Me, Tim Reynolds and you...Last I heard Tim was averaging around 10 > > (like 2-3 days after making it) and today, the 2-3 day after > making it > > I got 7.96 single and 9.03 average...I use Bob's way...or > Alexander's > > hehe...its alexanders :p > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > this > > > > puzzle. > > > > I made this video : > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > > > > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > > > > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > but it > > > > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the > magicballs ? :D) > > > > because during my first flips some others were made > unwillingly in the > > > > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > > > > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > > > > > Thank you :-) > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > >

Hrmmm...I'm still waiting for Jim to bring up his cube so I can scramble it. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Hey Camel Face (lol) > > I did a 7.70 :) and I've done 7.96, only 2 sub-8s...hehehe... > > Bye *TIMOTHY* (haha Bob) > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" > <timothy.reynolds2@> wrote: > > > > Wow, more Magic Balls people! cool! > > By the way, I got 8.18 the day after making it and haven't improved > > since...well, I haven't really been able to practice since. > > > > I definately need to make the transform that changes shape to a huge > > rectangle and back better, but my main point I need to work on is > > the end, specifically the transform on the right arm. Bob, your > > videos will be a tremendous help. > > > > Well, I'm exhausted from ARML, so I'll shut up before I become > > completely incoherent. > > > > Tim > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > Weird, you're the 3rd person I know thats made one in the last > > little > > > bit... > > > > > > Me, Tim Reynolds and you...Last I heard Tim was averaging around 10 > > > (like 2-3 days after making it) and today, the 2-3 day after > > making it > > > I got 7.96 single and 9.03 average...I use Bob's way...or > > Alexander's > > > hehe...its alexanders :p > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > > > > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > > > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > > this > > > > > puzzle. > > > > > I made this video : > > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > > > > > > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > > > > > > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > > but it > > > > > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the > > magicballs ? :D) > > > > > because during my first flips some others were made > > unwillingly in the > > > > > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > > > > > > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you :-) > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don't know if anyone else has taken any averages of 12 on Ryan Heise's virtual cube (http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html) but I've done about five averages and my best one so far is 22.62. The individual times were (17.65), 22.35, 22.78, 20.83, (36.19), 18.56, 26.31, 22.20, 21.16, 24.61, 23.66, 23.79. Has anybody beaten this? Ian

On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 03:14:03PM -0000, Ian wrote: > Don't know if anyone else has taken any averages of 12 on Ryan Heise's > virtual cube (http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html) but I've done > about five averages and my best one so far is 22.62. The individual > times were (17.65), 22.35, 22.78, 20.83, (36.19), 18.56, 26.31, 22.20, > 21.16, 24.61, 23.66, 23.79. > > Has anybody beaten this? It sounds like a good idea. Should I add another records database for averages? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jeremy_tkr" <jeremy_tkr@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > > > Peter Greenwood > > > > CUBESMITH IS BACK~!!! > It would seem that Cubesmith is not the only cubing site that's been down. Anyone checked out strangepuzzle.com lately? -Ben.

Ok, it's midnight 06/06/06 here. In the chill of the night, I feel something coming. It's big... ...it has 6 sides... ...it's the AntiCube!!!! rRRRrrraarhahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh No, really, is the 6x6x6 for today? :-) Gilles.

That would be perfect! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > Ok, it's midnight 06/06/06 here. > > In the chill of the night, I feel something coming. > It's big... > ...it has 6 sides... > ...it's the AntiCube!!!! > rRRRrrraarhahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh > > No, really, is the 6x6x6 for today? :-) > > Gilles. >

Yes...and I noticed nothing unusual. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jeremy_tkr" > <jeremy_tkr@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > > > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > > > > > Peter Greenwood > > > > > > > CUBESMITH IS BACK~!!! > > > > It would seem that Cubesmith is not the only cubing site that's been > down. Anyone checked out strangepuzzle.com lately? > > -Ben. >

strangepuzzle: it was hacked this morning, looks like chris got it back up 6x6x6: please olympic cubes? please please please? clancy ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Burton <bob@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 5, 2006 3:56:58 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Cubesmith? Yes...and I noticed nothing unusual. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jeremy_tkr" > <jeremy_tkr@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > > > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > > > > > Peter Greenwood > > > > > > > CUBESMITH IS BACK~!!! > > > > It would seem that Cubesmith is not the only cubing site that's been > down. Anyone checked out strangepuzzle.com lately? > > -Ben. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Is it just me, or is the home page now the video search page? As in, there's no more news page...hmm. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > strangepuzzle: it was hacked this morning, looks like chris got it back up > > > 6x6x6: please olympic cubes? please please please? > > > clancy > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bob Burton <bob@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 5, 2006 3:56:58 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Cubesmith? > > Yes...and I noticed nothing unusual. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@> > wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jeremy_tkr" > > <jeremy_tkr@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt there? Any > > > > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > > > > > > > Peter Greenwood > > > > > > > > > > CUBESMITH IS BACK~!!! > > > > > > > It would seem that Cubesmith is not the only cubing site that's been > > down. Anyone checked out strangepuzzle.com lately? > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hey everyone, Thanks for the responses I got from people about silicone. I had an offer to mail some to me, but I checked the post office restrictions on hazardous items in the mail, and it looks like you can't mail flammable liquids (silicone is highly flammable). However, I'm confused because there is a site online where I can order silicone to have it shipped to my house (but I have to order minimum 12 cans at $48) :-( Is it ok to mail silicone via the post office? If so, I'm going to respond to the offer I got. Because I cannot find a safe silicone to use for cubing anywhere in my area, and my cubes badly need to be lubed!! :'-( Chris

Hahaha. Just great. I had some friends that were (ironically naturally) celebrating the end of the world (06/06/06 == 666) tonight. But then I read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_%28number%29. A 6x6x6 cube would be a much better reason for celebration. Today I got a look at a 4x4x4 for the first time in my life (got my rubiks.com delivery). Happy cubing everyone, here at the end of the world. Elvis On 6/5/06, Gilles Roux <grrroux@...> wrote: > > Ok, it's midnight 06/06/06 here. > > In the chill of the night, I feel something coming. > It's big... > ...it has 6 sides... > ...it's the AntiCube!!!! > rRRRrrraarhahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh > > No, really, is the 6x6x6 for today? :-) > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

That's correct. My index page was destroyed by someone. I'm fixing it now, but I set the homepage to the video page for the moment so people can still use the site. -Chris On 6/5/06, Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > Is it just me, or is the home page now the video search page? As > in, there's no more news page...hmm. > > Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > > > strangepuzzle: it was hacked this morning, looks like chris got it > back up > > > > > > 6x6x6: please olympic cubes? please please please? > > > > > > clancy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Bob Burton <bob@...> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, June 5, 2006 3:56:58 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Cubesmith? > > > > Yes...and I noticed nothing unusual. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > <grsbmd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jeremy_tkr" > > > <jeremy_tkr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 > <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone else noticed that cubesmith (the page) isnt > there? Any > > > > > ideas what is wrong or when it will be back? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Peter Greenwood > > > > > > > > > > > > > CUBESMITH IS BACK~!!! > > > > > > > > > > It would seem that Cubesmith is not the only cubing site that's > been > > > down. Anyone checked out strangepuzzle.com lately? > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Is it just me or is the group completely reformatted? Everything seems different :S Craig

http://groups.yahoo.com/local/newemail.html -Chris On 6/5/06, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Is it just me or is the group completely reformatted? Everything seems > different :S > > Craig > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's been years since I've done this, but I know it's possible to ship flammable and hazardous materials through USPS and UPS. The restrictions come down from DOT on what items can be shipped based on how the materials are classified. They also restrict on how it's packaged and labeled, and if it can be transported by air, ground, or rail. If it's still the same as it was eight or nine years ago, I think UPS only ships hazardous materials from a contracted business. You really just need to visit a Post Office with a can and ask them if it can be shipped because everything is classified somewhere in the huge library of CFR manuals. I would guess you could probably get it through, but you'd have to talk to the Post Office guys to get the final say and the labels anyway. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Thanks for the responses I got from people about silicone. I had an > offer to mail some to me, but I checked the post office restrictions > on hazardous items in the mail, and it looks like you can't mail > flammable liquids (silicone is highly flammable). However, I'm > confused because there is a site online where I can order silicone to > have it shipped to my house (but I have to order minimum 12 cans at > $48) :-( > > Is it ok to mail silicone via the post office? If so, I'm going to > respond to the offer I got. Because I cannot find a safe silicone to > use for cubing anywhere in my area, and my cubes badly need to be > lubed!! :'-( > > Chris >

Dear Cubers, I am very glad to share my experience with ZEE TV. Zee tv is producing a new episode called "SHABASH INDIA" means WELL DONE INDIA. I am lucky to have been selected for my cubing. Cubing is a alien sport in India. I know only 3 cubers in entire India. They(Zee tv crews) came home in dec-2005 and filmed me cubing fast and blindfolded. They also interviewed my parents, friends, school teachers and principal etc. They filmed me in the park also. They invited me to Bombay(more than 2000 km from my home town) for studio interview on 27th may 2006. They welcomed me to the studio amidst young girls dancing around me. They asked me how I learnt it. As I do not know HINDI, there was a interpretor for me. One of the audiences was called upon to scramble a 3*3*3 cube and I was asked to solve blindfolded. I did it perfectly. The anchor Mr.Hussain, a Bollywood actor was very friendly and jovial. Then he questioned my dad who was sitting in the audience - how do you feel about your son's achievement, how you trained him, how he got interest in it, what is the history behind the invention of the cube etc. Then he asked me how I memorised the cube, but failed to ask me how to solve a cube!!!! All the other cubes 4*4*4, 5*5*5, 2*2*2, megaminx and square-1 were also available on the stage. But he never asked me anything about them for want of time. My episode is number 3 and will be telecast in the last week of june-2006. The duration is 30 min and I shall let you know the exact date and time of telecast as soon as I am intimated. Hope my cubing show in ZEE TV might inspire many youngsters in India and other countries to learn cubing. I watched many other people performing different items. It was all fun. My dad performed 2 items - human calendar(1600 to 9999) and a deck of 52 cards. His episode is number 22 and will be telecast in august-2006. J.Bernett Orlando Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Urgh, I hate it...it looks horrible and I can't tell which messages I've read...Yahoo, bring the format back!! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Is it just me or is the group completely reformatted? Everything seems > different :S > > Craig >

Yeah, the email format sucks too. Their 'new' format now includes tons of links at the bottom of the email and plenty of spam. Pretty lame. -Chris On 6/5/06, Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > Urgh, I hate it...it looks horrible and I can't tell which messages > I've read...Yahoo, bring the format back!! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@...> wrote: > > > > Is it just me or is the group completely reformatted? Everything > seems > > different :S > > > > Craig > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's weird, I don't see anything much different on the website. I read this group via Thunderbird (I receive separate emails on my computer) and execpt the links on the right, I do not see any change. Is that it ? Gilles Chris Hunt a �crit : > > Yeah, the email format sucks too. Their 'new' format now includes tons of > links at the bottom of the email and plenty of spam. Pretty lame. > > -Chris > > On 6/5/06, Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@... > <mailto:timothy.reynolds2%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > > > Urgh, I hate it...it looks horrible and I can't tell which messages > > I've read...Yahoo, bring the format back!! > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Craig Bouchard" > > > > <logitewty@...> wrote: > > > > > > Is it just me or is the group completely reformatted? Everything > > seems > > > different :S > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

I don't know :) Do you receive emails in plain text or html? I receive them in plain text and the formatting is pretty bad. The messages are still perfectly readable, so I don't mind...the new email format is just weird. -Chris On 6/5/06, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > That's weird, I don't see anything much different on the website. > I read this group via Thunderbird (I receive separate emails on my > computer) and execpt the links on the right, I do not see any change. > Is that it ? > > Gilles > > Chris Hunt a écrit : > > > > > Yeah, the email format sucks too. Their 'new' format now includes tons > of > > links at the bottom of the email and plenty of spam. Pretty lame. > > > > -Chris > > > > On 6/5/06, Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...<timothy.reynolds2%40verizon.net> > > <mailto:timothy.reynolds2%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > > > > > Urgh, I hate it...it looks horrible and I can't tell which messages > > > I've read...Yahoo, bring the format back!! > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:speedsolvin > grubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Craig Bouchard" > > > > > > <logitewty@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is it just me or is the group completely reformatted? Everything > > > seems > > > > different :S > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey All, I have a new idea for a new magic, and I have how it is executed, but I need a picture for it...It goes from 2x6 to 3x4 anyone have any ideas? Any would be appreciated... Craig

I have uploaded some more videos from the Trumbull competition. Craig's 5x5x5 solves for a Canadian record average: http://tinyurl.com/zocyn Matt's Canadian record single 5x5x5 solve: http://tinyurl.com/zh2av I believe this record was broken a number of times that day by Matt and Craig, with Matt ending up with the record when it was over. Three of Anthony's 2x2x2 solves where he set the American record average time. http://tinyurl.com/f232o Anthony's 14.00-second solve: http://tinyurl.com/kjf2m Three of Matt's 3x3x3 solves for a Canadian record average time, and Matt after finishing his 13.94-second solve. http://tinyurl.com/zg57w Craig's 10.71-second 2x2x2 solve, part of his Canadian record for average time. http://tinyurl.com/kl98k I had also recorded his 22.74-second solve, but a judge was blocking the view for most of the solve. (And anyway, even I can usually solve a 2x2x2 in less time than that.) So I didn't upload that one. Four of Matt's 4x4x4 solves for a Canadian record average time. http://tinyurl.com/gwuck Craig's winning BLD solve for a Canadian record: http://tinyurl.com/h773c I'll also note here that these links will not work forever. The files may disappear after not being downloaded during a period of 30 days or so. Enjoy! - Bruce Norskog --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > Just a little correction to what I said in my previous message... > > I incorrectly referred to Cory's 27.80-second one-handed solve as a > "winning" solve. The solve was the fastest at the competition in that > event, and Cory did win that event, but his winning was based on the > average of his middle three solves, to my understanding. > > - Bruce Norskog > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > > > In addition to Bob Burton's world record Magic performance > > (downloadable using http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt), I have made > > the following videos from the Trumbull competition available > > online, downloadable using the URLs listed. > > > > Cory's winning one-handed 27.80-second solve: > > http://tinyurl.com/hct7l > > > > Cory'S 4.34-second 2x2x2 solve: > > http://tinyurl.com/j6cju > > > > Craig'S Canadian record 4.93-second 2x2x2 solve: > > http://tinyurl.com/h9fdx > > > > Craig's Magic solves for Canadian record average (1st/fastest solve > > missing): > > http://tinyurl.com/zrhea > > > > Craig's Master Magic solves for Canadian record average: > > http://tinyurl.com/e9wm9 > > > > Matt's Canadian record 4x4x4 solve (ending part): > > http://tinyurl.com/kg7rg > > > > Nathaniel's personal best 14.09-second solve: > > http://tinyurl.com/jgdjj > > > > - Bruce Norskog > > >

Good work! Be sure to record the episode. Sachin. On 6/6/06, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > Dear Cubers, > I am very glad to share my experience with ZEE TV. Zee tv is producing a new episode called "SHABASH INDIA" means WELL DONE INDIA. I am lucky to have been selected for my cubing. Cubing is a alien sport in India. I know only 3 cubers in entire India. > They(Zee tv crews) came home in dec-2005 and filmed me cubing fast and blindfolded. They also interviewed my parents, friends, school teachers and principal etc. They filmed me in the park also. > They invited me to Bombay(more than 2000 km from my home town) for studio interview on 27th may 2006. They welcomed me to the studio amidst young girls dancing around me. They asked me how I learnt it. As I do not know HINDI, there was a interpretor for me. One of the audiences was called upon to scramble a 3*3*3 cube and I was asked to solve blindfolded. I did it perfectly. The anchor Mr.Hussain, a Bollywood actor was very friendly and jovial. Then he questioned my dad who was sitting in the audience - how do you feel about your son's achievement, how you trained him, how he got interest in it, what is the history behind the invention of the cube etc. Then he asked me how I memorised the cube, but failed to ask me how to solve a cube!!!! > All the other cubes 4*4*4, 5*5*5, 2*2*2, megaminx and square-1 were also available on the stage. But he never asked me anything about them for want of time. > My episode is number 3 and will be telecast in the last week of june-2006. The duration is 30 min and I shall let you know the exact date and time of telecast as soon as I am intimated. > Hope my cubing show in ZEE TV might inspire many youngsters in India and other countries to learn cubing. > I watched many other people performing different items. It was all fun. My dad performed 2 items - human calendar(1600 to 9999) and a deck of 52 cards. His episode is number 22 and will be telecast in august-2006. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

i like it. my emails come in HTML and i can respond more easily now. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > I don't know :) > > Do you receive emails in plain text or html? I receive them in plain text > and the formatting is pretty bad. The messages are still perfectly readable, > so I don't mind...the new email format is just weird. > > -Chris > > On 6/5/06, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > That's weird, I don't see anything much different on the website. > > I read this group via Thunderbird (I receive separate emails on my > > computer) and execpt the links on the right, I do not see any change. > > Is that it ? > > > > Gilles > > > > Chris Hunt a écrit : > > > > > > > > Yeah, the email format sucks too. Their 'new' format now includes tons > > of > > > links at the bottom of the email and plenty of spam. Pretty lame. > > > > > > -Chris > > > > > > On 6/5/06, Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...<timothy.reynolds2% 40verizon.net> > > > <mailto:timothy.reynolds2%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Urgh, I hate it...it looks horrible and I can't tell which messages > > > > I've read...Yahoo, bring the format back!! > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:speedsolvin > > grubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > "Craig Bouchard" > > > > > > > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is it just me or is the group completely reformatted? Everything > > > > seems > > > > > different :S > > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

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I also live in NC (Reidsville) and I haven't seen any anywhere either. I've been using some CRC silicone spray I found at Wal- mart. But, I heard that it can damage the plastic. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Thanks for the responses I got from people about silicone. I had an > offer to mail some to me, but I checked the post office restrictions > on hazardous items in the mail, and it looks like you can't mail > flammable liquids (silicone is highly flammable). However, I'm > confused because there is a site online where I can order silicone to > have it shipped to my house (but I have to order minimum 12 cans at > $48) :-( > > Is it ok to mail silicone via the post office? If so, I'm going to > respond to the offer I got. Because I cannot find a safe silicone to > use for cubing anywhere in my area, and my cubes badly need to be > lubed!! :'-( > > Chris >

I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube it. Never again...! That was torture putting it back together.

lol its not all that bad...i'd rather do prof then revenge any day ----- Original Message ---- From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:59:30 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] I hate lubing the bigger cubes I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube it. Never again...! That was torture putting it back together. <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font:84.5% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

All you really have to do is turn one layer one way just a little tiny bit, then a perpendicular outermost layer just a little bit. You know, get it so the thing isn't blowing up, but where there's a little hole in between 4 of the little facelets. Spray some silicon in each of the little holes on your cube (there's 54 holes possible on a revenge and 96 holes possible on a professor). That way, you don't have to deal with assembly. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > lol its not all that bad...i'd rather do prof then revenge any day > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:59:30 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] I hate lubing the bigger cubes > > I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube it. > > Never again...! That was torture putting it back together. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Nobody else has replied to this but I think it would be cool if you could get your program to keep track of rolling averages! Ian --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 03:14:03PM -0000, Ian wrote: > > Don't know if anyone else has taken any averages of 12 on Ryan Heise's > > virtual cube (http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html) but I've done > > about five averages and my best one so far is 22.62. The individual > > times were (17.65), 22.35, 22.78, 20.83, (36.19), 18.56, 26.31, 22.20, > > 21.16, 24.61, 23.66, 23.79. > > > > Has anybody beaten this? > > It sounds like a good idea. Should I add another records database for > averages? > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

I concur. I'm addicted. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cube Simulator Average Nobody else has replied to this but I think it would be cool if you could get your program to keep track of rolling averages! Ian --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 03:14:03PM -0000, Ian wrote: > > Don't know if anyone else has taken any averages of 12 on Ryan Heise's > > virtual cube (http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html) but I've done > > about five averages and my best one so far is 22.62. The individual > > times were (17.65), 22.35, 22.78, 20.83, (36.19), 18.56, 26.31, 22.20, > > 21.16, 24.61, 23.66, 23.79. > > > > Has anybody beaten this? > > It sounds like a good idea. Should I add another records database for > averages? > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, I'm certainly not the best sq1 solver in the group, but my accomplishments have been made using little more than a dozen algorithms. David; email me directly and I will reply with all the algs you need to learn. the Square1 is dreadfully unexplored. It's good to see at least one more person interested in it. -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > Why not learn just the algs required from Lars V's page that are > required? You can solve Square-1 in 1-2 minutes using only like 5 of > his algs...well, I can. And I suck at Square-1. :P > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@> wrote: > > > > Is there a square-1 method that requires MORE than 3 algorithms (I > dont want to use that method... too simple, and I'm willing to learn > more algorithms for a better solve). > > > > I dont want to use Lars V expert solution, though.. there are like > 52108 algorithms on there and I';m not dedicating that much time to > this puzzle at the moment. > > > > I'd certainly be willing to memorize a dozen algs for this... > > > > What should I do? > > > > David > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone > call rates. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

rxdeath how dare you. Professor takes me three times the time (assuming I have identically lubed cubes) to solve. Also just lube it like Katsu: he doesn't even disassemble it. -Tim/SwordsmanKirby

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Everybody should completely disassemble the revenge and the prof at least once. The mechanism for the revenge is quite interesting, and the prof... well, it's just a huge pain in the butt. But now when my center pieces get twisted during a turn, I at least know what's going on and how to fix it without being afraid of breaking anything. I've only completely disassembled both puzzles once. It took me about 1/2 hour to put the revenge back together, and about an hour for the prof. It looks like the olympicube cubes are going to be so much more intuitive and simple to assemble. I wonder how much Frank messed with assembling/disassembling them. He mentioned intentionally popping both puzzles in his review. - Matt --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > lol its not all that bad...i'd rather do prof then revenge any day > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:59:30 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] I hate lubing the bigger cubes > > I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube it. > > Never again...! That was torture putting it back together. > > > > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font:84.5% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital > #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; > color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I got my first Revenge yesterday, today I sat down and solved it for the first time. I got all the way to the permutation of LL before I hit a parity and actually had to look up a solution on a web page :) I haven't lubed it so I was just about to ask the list whether I should lube it or not.. I guess I should? I'm just scared it's going to pop really easy. Anyone here who _does not_ lube their Revenge? Regards, Elvis On 6/7/06, Matt M. <mmoberly@...> wrote: > Everybody should completely disassemble the revenge and the prof at > least once. The mechanism for the revenge is quite interesting, and > the prof... well, it's just a huge pain in the butt. But now when my > center pieces get twisted during a turn, I at least know what's going > on and how to fix it without being afraid of breaking anything. > > I've only completely disassembled both puzzles once. It took me about > 1/2 hour to put the revenge back together, and about an hour for the prof. > > It looks like the olympicube cubes are going to be so much more > intuitive and simple to assemble. I wonder how much Frank messed with > assembling/disassembling them. He mentioned intentionally popping > both puzzles in his review. > > - Matt > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > > > lol its not all that bad...i'd rather do prof then revenge any day > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:59:30 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] I hate lubing the bigger cubes > > > > I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube it. > > > > Never again...! That was torture putting it back together. > > > > > > > > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font:84.5% > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table > {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea > {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code > {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; > font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; > white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar > .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } > #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid > #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } > #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px > 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital > > #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; > color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; > margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; > border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; > color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; > padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } > #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; > font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; > background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor > #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; > > color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor > .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o > {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

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For me, not lubing was not even an option. Even a single solve on either the revenge or the professor left my hands aching. Playing with either for an extended amount of time (more than 1/2 hour) caused pain that I could still feel the next day. If you can comfortably play with your puzzles without hurting your hands/wrists, then I guess lubing is up to you. After I took apart and lubed my revenge and prof, they became completely different puzzles. They're now both very easy to turn, and neither one has ever popped on me. Does anybody have any stories about lubing their cubes and making them too loose? I can't imagine this happening after just lubing the puzzle once. - Matt --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Aron Stansvik" <elvstone@...> wrote: > > I got my first Revenge yesterday, today I sat down and solved it for > the first time. I got all the way to the permutation of LL before I > hit a parity and actually had to look up a solution on a web page :) I > haven't lubed it so I was just about to ask the list whether I should > lube it or not.. I guess I should? I'm just scared it's going to pop > really easy. > > Anyone here who _does not_ lube their Revenge? > > Regards, > Elvis >

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Hey guys, you all inspired me to get down to it and make a magic balls. It's my first magic i've strung, and it's was tedious :) Here are some pics: http://www.snkenjoi.com/balls --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > Hrmmm...I'm still waiting for Jim to bring up his cube so I can > scramble it. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Hey Camel Face (lol) > > > > I did a 7.70 :) and I've done 7.96, only 2 sub-8s...hehehe... > > > > Bye *TIMOTHY* (haha Bob) > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" > > <timothy.reynolds2@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, more Magic Balls people! cool! > > > By the way, I got 8.18 the day after making it and haven't improved > > > since...well, I haven't really been able to practice since. > > > > > > I definately need to make the transform that changes shape to a huge > > > rectangle and back better, but my main point I need to work on is > > > the end, specifically the transform on the right arm. Bob, your > > > videos will be a tremendous help. > > > > > > Well, I'm exhausted from ARML, so I'll shut up before I become > > > completely incoherent. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Weird, you're the 3rd person I know thats made one in the last > > > little > > > > bit... > > > > > > > > Me, Tim Reynolds and you...Last I heard Tim was averaging around 10 > > > > (like 2-3 days after making it) and today, the 2-3 day after > > > making it > > > > I got 7.96 single and 9.03 average...I use Bob's way...or > > > Alexander's > > > > hehe...its alexanders :p > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rough indeed. I'll make a slow video. :) > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "gillesvdp" > > > > > <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > > > > > > > I finally made a MagicBalls puzzle. > > > > > > I wanted to solve it on my own before learning a few tricks on > > > this > > > > > > puzzle. > > > > > > I made this video : > > > > > http://www.belgiancubes.be/videos/MagicBalls-59.07.wmv > > > > > > > > > > > > As you can see, my method is a bit "rough" :D > > > > > > > > > > > > (59.07 is an average time for me, I already had a 35.67 solve > > > but it > > > > > > was "lucky" (how can you have a lucky case on the > > > magicballs ? :D) > > > > > > because during my first flips some others were made > > > unwillingly in the > > > > > > right way so I just had to unfold everything correctly :p > > > > > > > > > > > > Any tips for this puzzle ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you :-) > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I posted my report from the Trumbull 2006 competition. You may view it here: http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html ~ Bob

Okay. Yes I can actually feel some pain after the 3-4 solves I did yesterday, so I guess that settles it. I forgot to ask another thing; how do I disassemble the Revenge from rubiks.com? I read in another old thread that there's supposed to be a screw of some kind behind one of the center stickers, but I can't figure out which one (I don't want to needlessly remove a sticker). Am I supposed to feel this screw underneath the sticker? Is it behind the white center piece with the Rubik's logo on it? Regards, Elvis On 6/7/06, Matt M. <mmoberly@...> wrote: > For me, not lubing was not even an option. Even a single solve on > either the revenge or the professor left my hands aching. Playing > with either for an extended amount of time (more than 1/2 hour) caused > pain that I could still feel the next day. > > If you can comfortably play with your puzzles without hurting your > hands/wrists, then I guess lubing is up to you. After I took apart > and lubed my revenge and prof, they became completely different > puzzles. They're now both very easy to turn, and neither one has ever > popped on me. > > Does anybody have any stories about lubing their cubes and making them > too loose? I can't imagine this happening after just lubing the > puzzle once. > > - Matt > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Aron Stansvik" > <elvstone@...> wrote: > > > > I got my first Revenge yesterday, today I sat down and solved it for > > the first time. I got all the way to the permutation of LL before I > > hit a parity and actually had to look up a solution on a web page :) I > > haven't lubed it so I was just about to ask the list whether I should > > lube it or not.. I guess I should? I'm just scared it's going to pop > > really easy. > > > > Anyone here who _does not_ lube their Revenge? > > > > Regards, > > Elvis > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

The link is going to rutgers spring for me.. ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > I posted my report from the Trumbull 2006 competition. You may view > it here: > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html > > ~ Bob >

Sorry. Fixed it. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > The link is going to rutgers spring for me.. > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > I posted my report from the Trumbull 2006 competition. You may view > > it here: > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html > > > > ~ Bob > > >

http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences/trumbullspring2006.html == 404 :) ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > Sorry. Fixed it. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > The link is going to rutgers spring for me.. > > > > ~Thom > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I posted my report from the Trumbull 2006 competition. You may view > > > it here: > > > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > >

Our company had an idea of using a cube or cube-like icon for one of our software programs. Does anyone know who I should talk to about the legality issues of that? It wouldn't be for the company, but just the program icon. Advice? Thoughts? Does anyone have a collection of icons anywhere? -Howard

Haha ... That should be : http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences#trumbullspring2006.html As u can find out starting from http://www.cubewhiz.com Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences/trumbullspring2006.html == 404 > > :) > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > Sorry. Fixed it. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > The link is going to rutgers spring for me.. > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I posted my report from the Trumbull 2006 competition. You may view > > > > it here: > > > > > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > >

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This time it is fixed for real. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences/trumbullspring2006.html == 404 > > :) > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > Sorry. Fixed it. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > The link is going to rutgers spring for me.. > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I posted my report from the Trumbull 2006 competition. You may view > > > > it here: > > > > > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > >

Hey Bob, May I make a correction??? On that page it says "We did things Stefan should never hear about..." that was only you, and you used my dad's knife...Crap I've said too much :| Hahaha... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > This time it is fixed for real. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences/trumbullspring2006.html == 404 > > > > :) > > > > ~Thom > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry. Fixed it. > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The link is going to rutgers spring for me.. > > > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I posted my report from the Trumbull 2006 competition. You > may view > > > > > it here: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

SHHHHHH!!!! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Hey Bob, > > May I make a correction??? On that page it says "We did things Stefan > should never hear about..." that was only you, and you used my dad's > knife...Crap I've said too much :| Hahaha... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > This time it is fixed for real. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences/trumbullspring2006.html == 404 > > > > > > :) > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry. Fixed it. > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > > > > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The link is going to rutgers spring for me.. > > > > > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted my report from the Trumbull 2006 competition. You > > may view > > > > > > it here: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cubewhiz.com/experiences.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Speed Solving Rubik's Cube - All about speed solving the Rubik's Cube<<< Our company had an idea of using a cube or cube-like icon for one of our software programs. Does anyone know who I should talk to about the legality issues of that? It wouldn't be for the company, but just the program icon. Advice? Thoughts? Does anyone have a collection of icons anywhere? -Howard >>> You should contact http://rubicscube.com to get imformation about this. http://seventowns.com owns the copyright on the image. I did this to get the permission to use their image on my cube webpage. They are protective of their symbol and I was told by someone there to use the official Rubic's color scheme in images and to show a link to their websites. Since you are a company, there may be more involved. Billy

So what kinds of lube can you get in Walmart?

Hey elvstone, it's Swordsman_Kirby. :P And uh, it's a VERY good idea to lube your 4x4. I got my hands on an Eastsheen 4x4 that my friend has, and it's just about impossible to turn since it's unlubed. Use your cube for another day, turning it a lot to break it in, then lube it. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Aron Stansvik" <elvstone@...> wrote: > > I got my first Revenge yesterday, today I sat down and solved it for > the first time. I got all the way to the permutation of LL before I > hit a parity and actually had to look up a solution on a web page :) I > haven't lubed it so I was just about to ask the list whether I should > lube it or not.. I guess I should? I'm just scared it's going to pop > really easy. > > Anyone here who _does not_ lube their Revenge? > > Regards, > Elvis > > On 6/7/06, Matt M. <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > Everybody should completely disassemble the revenge and the prof at > > least once. The mechanism for the revenge is quite interesting, and > > the prof... well, it's just a huge pain in the butt. But now when my > > center pieces get twisted during a turn, I at least know what's going > > on and how to fix it without being afraid of breaking anything. > > > > I've only completely disassembled both puzzles once. It took me about > > 1/2 hour to put the revenge back together, and about an hour for the prof. > > > > It looks like the olympicube cubes are going to be so much more > > intuitive and simple to assemble. I wonder how much Frank messed with > > assembling/disassembling them. He mentioned intentionally popping > > both puzzles in his review. > > > > - Matt > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > > > lol its not all that bad...i'd rather do prof then revenge any day > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:59:30 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] I hate lubing the bigger cubes > > > > > > I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube it. > > > > > > Never again...! That was torture putting it back together. > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font:84.5% > > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table > > {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea > > {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code > > {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp- text{ > > font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp- tpmsgs{ > > font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; > > font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; > > white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar > > .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} > > #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } > > #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid > > #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } > > #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px > > 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital > > > #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; > > color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; > > margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; > > border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font- weight:bold; > > color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; > > padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } > > #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; > > font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; > > background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp- sponsor > > #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; > > > color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp- sponsor > > .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o > > {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ > > font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

The one problem with lubed big cubes is that when you "speedbuild" them, then your hands are really dirty. I speedbuilded my 5x5 earlier today and got 13 minutes and 57 seconds but I had a lot of problems. Sub10 is really possible. :p Gilles. 2006/6/9, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...>: > > Hey elvstone, it's Swordsman_Kirby. :P And uh, it's a VERY good idea > to lube your 4x4. I got my hands on an Eastsheen 4x4 that my friend > has, and it's just about impossible to turn since it's unlubed. Use > your cube for another day, turning it a lot to break it in, then > lube it. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Aron Stansvik" > <elvstone@...> wrote: > > > > I got my first Revenge yesterday, today I sat down and solved it > for > > the first time. I got all the way to the permutation of LL before I > > hit a parity and actually had to look up a solution on a web > page :) I > > haven't lubed it so I was just about to ask the list whether I > should > > lube it or not.. I guess I should? I'm just scared it's going to > pop > > really easy. > > > > Anyone here who _does not_ lube their Revenge? > > > > Regards, > > Elvis > > > > On 6/7/06, Matt M. <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > > Everybody should completely disassemble the revenge and the prof > at > > > least once. The mechanism for the revenge is quite interesting, > and > > > the prof... well, it's just a huge pain in the butt. But now > when my > > > center pieces get twisted during a turn, I at least know what's > going > > > on and how to fix it without being afraid of breaking anything. > > > > > > I've only completely disassembled both puzzles once. It took me > about > > > 1/2 hour to put the revenge back together, and about an hour for > the prof. > > > > > > It looks like the olympicube cubes are going to be so much more > > > intuitive and simple to assemble. I wonder how much Frank > messed with > > > assembling/disassembling them. He mentioned intentionally > popping > > > both puzzles in his review. > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Clancy Cochran > > > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > > > > > lol its not all that bad...i'd rather do prof then revenge any > day > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:59:30 PM > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] I hate lubing the bigger cubes > > > > > > > > I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube > it. > > > > > > > > Never again...! That was torture putting it back together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font:84.5% > > > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table > > > {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, > textarea > > > {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, > code > > > {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp- > text{ > > > font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp- > tpmsgs{ > > > font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; > > > font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; > > > white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar > > > .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} > > > #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } > > > #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px > solid > > > #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } > > > #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; > padding:2px > > > 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital > > > > #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; > > > color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0; > > > margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; > clear:both; > > > border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font- > weight:bold; > > > color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; > > > padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } > > > #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > > text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; > > > font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; > > > background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor > #ov ul{ > > > padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > > list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp- > sponsor > > > #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor > #nc { > > > background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > > font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; > > > > color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp- > sponsor > > > .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > > text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o > > > {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ > > > font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq > {margin:4;} --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Hey Swordsman_Kirby! Yep that's just what I did and now it's much better. I'm still reaaaaally slow with the 4x, but that's just because I do each edge pair one by one, and I only know the most basic parity fixes.. I'll work on that though! I did a PB on the 3x today too, 35.39 ;) Regards, Elvis On 6/9/06, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> wrote: > Hey elvstone, it's Swordsman_Kirby. :P And uh, it's a VERY good idea > to lube your 4x4. I got my hands on an Eastsheen 4x4 that my friend > has, and it's just about impossible to turn since it's unlubed. Use > your cube for another day, turning it a lot to break it in, then > lube it. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Aron Stansvik" > <elvstone@...> wrote: > > > > I got my first Revenge yesterday, today I sat down and solved it > for > > the first time. I got all the way to the permutation of LL before I > > hit a parity and actually had to look up a solution on a web > page :) I > > haven't lubed it so I was just about to ask the list whether I > should > > lube it or not.. I guess I should? I'm just scared it's going to > pop > > really easy. > > > > Anyone here who _does not_ lube their Revenge? > > > > Regards, > > Elvis > > > > On 6/7/06, Matt M. <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > > Everybody should completely disassemble the revenge and the prof > at > > > least once. The mechanism for the revenge is quite interesting, > and > > > the prof... well, it's just a huge pain in the butt. But now > when my > > > center pieces get twisted during a turn, I at least know what's > going > > > on and how to fix it without being afraid of breaking anything. > > > > > > I've only completely disassembled both puzzles once. It took me > about > > > 1/2 hour to put the revenge back together, and about an hour for > the prof. > > > > > > It looks like the olympicube cubes are going to be so much more > > > intuitive and simple to assemble. I wonder how much Frank > messed with > > > assembling/disassembling them. He mentioned intentionally > popping > > > both puzzles in his review. > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > > > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > > > > > lol its not all that bad...i'd rather do prof then revenge any > day > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:59:30 PM > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] I hate lubing the bigger cubes > > > > > > > > I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube > it. > > > > > > > > Never again...! 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Haha. Speedbuilding, never heard of such a thing ;) Don't think it's a carrier for me though, so the dirt is not an issue, heh. Impressive! Elvis On 6/9/06, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > The one problem with lubed big cubes is that when you "speedbuild" them, > then your hands are really dirty. > I speedbuilded my 5x5 earlier today and got 13 minutes and 57 seconds but I > had a lot of problems. Sub10 is really possible. :p > > Gilles. > > 2006/6/9, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...>: > > > > Hey elvstone, it's Swordsman_Kirby. :P And uh, it's a VERY good idea > > to lube your 4x4. I got my hands on an Eastsheen 4x4 that my friend > > has, and it's just about impossible to turn since it's unlubed. Use > > your cube for another day, turning it a lot to break it in, then > > lube it. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Aron Stansvik" > > <elvstone@...> wrote: > > > > > > I got my first Revenge yesterday, today I sat down and solved it > > for > > > the first time. I got all the way to the permutation of LL before I > > > hit a parity and actually had to look up a solution on a web > > page :) I > > > haven't lubed it so I was just about to ask the list whether I > > should > > > lube it or not.. I guess I should? I'm just scared it's going to > > pop > > > really easy. > > > > > > Anyone here who _does not_ lube their Revenge? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Elvis > > > > > > On 6/7/06, Matt M. <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > > > Everybody should completely disassemble the revenge and the prof > > at > > > > least once. The mechanism for the revenge is quite interesting, > > and > > > > the prof... well, it's just a huge pain in the butt. But now > > when my > > > > center pieces get twisted during a turn, I at least know what's > > going > > > > on and how to fix it without being afraid of breaking anything. > > > > > > > > I've only completely disassembled both puzzles once. It took me > > about > > > > 1/2 hour to put the revenge back together, and about an hour for > > the prof. > > > > > > > > It looks like the olympicube cubes are going to be so much more > > > > intuitive and simple to assemble. I wonder how much Frank > > messed with > > > > assembling/disassembling them. He mentioned intentionally > > popping > > > > both puzzles in his review. > > > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Clancy Cochran > > > > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > lol its not all that bad...i'd rather do prof then revenge any > > day > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > > From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2006 1:59:30 PM > > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] I hate lubing the bigger cubes > > > > > > > > > > I took apart my 5x5x5 cube to lube > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Never again...! 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Yeah, you should basically do everything on bigcubes.com. :P Learn two pairs at once, it's pretty fast, and I can get under four minutes on a crappy, new, non-lubed, BYO color scheme, Eastsheen 4x4. Well, that's the worst kind of revenge you can get. :D Also, never try to speed- assemble an Eastsheen anything. How fast are you on the 4x4 though, elvstone? -SK/Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Aron Stansvik" <elvstone@...> wrote: > > Hey Swordsman_Kirby! Yep that's just what I did and now it's much > better. I'm still reaaaaally slow with the 4x, but that's just because > I do each edge pair one by one, and I only know the most basic parity > fixes.. I'll work on that though! > > I did a PB on the 3x today too, 35.39 ;) > > Regards, > Elvis

Yea I found Chris Hardwick's chained 2-pair thingie. It's the first thing I'll look at to better my times. I've only done maybe 5 solves so far, I've been busy working. The first time I solved it I wanted to see if I could solve it without looking at any solutions, and I did the entire cube but hit one LL parity with no chance of just figuring it out by myself, bummer! ;) I timed myself just with the clock on the wall twice today. The first solve I got confused, or well I actually forgot an edge pair and didn't realize it until late into F2L ;) It took me maybe 7-8 minutes. The second solve went better and was right below 5 minutes. So you see I have some work to do! Regards, Elvis On 6/9/06, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> wrote: > Yeah, you should basically do everything on bigcubes.com. :P Learn two > pairs at once, it's pretty fast, and I can get under four minutes on a > crappy, new, non-lubed, BYO color scheme, Eastsheen 4x4. Well, that's > the worst kind of revenge you can get. :D Also, never try to speed- > assemble an Eastsheen anything. How fast are you on the 4x4 though, > elvstone? > > -SK/Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Aron Stansvik" > <elvstone@...> wrote: > > > > Hey Swordsman_Kirby! Yep that's just what I did and now it's much > > better. I'm still reaaaaally slow with the 4x, but that's just because > > I do each edge pair one by one, and I only know the most basic parity > > fixes.. I'll work on that though! > > > > I did a PB on the 3x today too, 35.39 ;) > > > > Regards, > > Elvis > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

My cube is a rubiks.com one btw. On 6/9/06, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> wrote: > Yeah, you should basically do everything on bigcubes.com. :P Learn two > pairs at once, it's pretty fast, and I can get under four minutes on a > crappy, new, non-lubed, BYO color scheme, Eastsheen 4x4. Well, that's > the worst kind of revenge you can get. :D Also, never try to speed- > assemble an Eastsheen anything. How fast are you on the 4x4 though, > elvstone? > > -SK/Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Aron Stansvik" > <elvstone@...> wrote: > > > > Hey Swordsman_Kirby! Yep that's just what I did and now it's much > > better. I'm still reaaaaally slow with the 4x, but that's just because > > I do each edge pair one by one, and I only know the most basic parity > > fixes.. I'll work on that though! > > > > I did a PB on the 3x today too, 35.39 ;) > > > > Regards, > > Elvis > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I've been using black for a while because I hated my green I had (rubiks.com vinyl stickers). I really like it and it's easy to find but I'm not sure if I should keep using it.

As long as all the stickers are made of the same material, I don't see any problems. Maybe in the bigger official tournaments, the standard colors have to be used but I'm not sure. - Koen --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "athefre" <athefre@...> wrote: > > I've been using black for a while because I hated my green I had > (rubiks.com vinyl stickers). I really like it and it's easy to find > but I'm not sure if I should keep using it. >

Dear cubers, Now, I realise my fingering is not the best or not close to the best. I get stuck very frequently and stops more often than necessary. My looking ahead is also not very good. I need help to improve my focus to look ahead and master my fingering style. Could you helpme please? J.Bernett Orlando Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Is there a place where I can type in an algorithm and have it show me what it looks like on 3x3/4x4/5x5 cubes? I am trying to learn more algs for the 5x5x5 cube to see what pieces are affected by certain algorithms but it's hard for me to tell what pieces change if it's scrambled since it's chaotic, and it's hard to tell what pieces change when it's solved since you can't tell when the centers are solved. This would be a very useful function to me but I can't find anything that would do this! Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

For 3x3, you can just use CubeTwister (I don't have the link handy, just google it.) For 4x4 and 5x5, I suggest you take a RevengePlayer and ProfessorPlayer by Werner Randelshofer (or something like that). Same guy who made CubeTwister. You have the parameters page, so you can play around with that.

Hey everyone, I'll be doing my two-hour cube marathon tomorrow as a fundraiser for the Matty Eappen Foundation (never shake a baby). You can make (tax-deductible!) contributions at: www.firstgiving.com/andycamann I'm very close to my goal of raising $2,500.00 for this; please help out and make a contribution for this worthy cause! Thanks also to the folks at Winning Moves Corp. for donating a supply of cubes for me to solve during this event. Wish me luck and fast solving and please donate whatever you can! Thank you! Andy

http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp This is easy to use for 3x3 Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Is there a place where I can type in an algorithm and have it show me > what it looks like on 3x3/4x4/5x5 cubes? I am trying to learn more algs > for the 5x5x5 cube to see what pieces are affected by certain > algorithms but it's hard for me to tell what pieces change if it's > scrambled since it's chaotic, and it's hard to tell what pieces change > when it's solved since you can't tell when the centers are solved. > This would be a very useful function to me but I can't find anything > that would do this! Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. >

Thanks. I put Black Electrical tape on it and I think it is vinyl so it's the same material. I probably won't ever go to a competetion but just in case. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Koen Heltzel" <allyourbase@...> wrote: > > As long as all the stickers are made of the same material, I don't see > any problems. Maybe in the bigger official tournaments, the standard > colors have to be used but I'm not sure. > > - Koen > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "athefre" <athefre@> > wrote: > > > > I've been using black for a while because I hated my green I had > > (rubiks.com vinyl stickers). I really like it and it's easy to find > > but I'm not sure if I should keep using it. > > >

Well done Gunner Krig for all your achievements. winning all 2*2*2, 3*3*3, 4*4*4 and 5*5*5 and that too with a world record in 2*2*2. I am inspired! J.Bernett Orlando Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello, I am fairly new to this whole speedcubing deal as well. I solved my first cube in late February, and within a few weeks, Ill have all the F2L (one slot) algs, PLL algs, and OLL algs down. After that, I'll work on multislotting the F2L and that will get me sub-20 easily. I never thought I would be able to pull off finger tricks, but now I can fairly well. I think it is just practice, practice, and more practice. Watch some videos of the sub-20 solves, and then that will inspire you to just go at it. You want to learn algs so that when you see which alg you need to perform, your fingers just snap at it, without having to think, or even look at the cube. Good luck. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear cubers, > Now, I realise my fingering is not the best or not close to the best. I get stuck very frequently and stops more often than necessary. > My looking ahead is also not very good. > I need help to improve my focus to look ahead and master my fingering style. Could you helpme please? > > J.Bernett Orlando > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hmmmmm ... David Wesley was doing 3x3x3 speedsolving there. But why he didn't do the larger cubes ? A mystery indeed :-o Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Well done Gunner Krig for all your achievements. > winning all 2*2*2, 3*3*3, 4*4*4 and 5*5*5 and that too with a world record in 2*2*2. I am inspired! > > J.Bernett Orlando > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Thank you very much. It was just a perfect average. None of the times were lucky, but they were all very fluid. I was very nervous after three solves because I knew that one good solve more would give me the WR. I'm very hppy that I did 5 excellent solves. It's not easy when you're as nervous as I was. It was nice to meet David Wesley too. He had been practicing for a week before the contest, so his times were really great. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Well done Gunner Krig for all your achievements. > winning all 2*2*2, 3*3*3, 4*4*4 and 5*5*5 and that too with a world record in 2*2*2. I am inspired! > > J.Bernett Orlando > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmm ... > > David Wesley was doing 3x3x3 speedsolving there. But why he didn't > do the larger cubes ? A mystery indeed :-o > > Cheers! > > -Per David wanted to participate in the bigger cubes too. But he had to leave for a birthday party (I think it was his own). While Gunnar have broken the national records for 3x3 and 4x4, David's 5x5 times from Toronto still stands. And I am sure he still can make impressive times.

My latest project: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/ It is intended to be a database of move sequences for different methods. It is editable by anyone which means that you can input new sequences into the database. For the moment, I will trust that people will only input valid and serious move sequences for each case. I expect there to be bugs, so please let me know if something weird happens. To input a new move sequence, you use the same keyboard control as with the Rubik's Cube Simulator. Try to input sequences close to the way in which you would perform them on a real physical cube, as the idea is to present alternative ways of performing the same sequence, or alternative sequences for the same case. One caveat: when inputting a sequence, it will not be accepted until the cube is returned to its home orientation. That is, you must return the cube to the position with red on top and blue on front. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > My latest project: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/ Or use the already existing database on http://alglist.ning.com <http://alglist.ning.com> Michiel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'll admit I'm not the first to create a database of move sequences ;-) Jessica Fridrich and Lars Petrus are to thank for publishing two of the earliest web listings of sequences, and Lars for the first one that shows how to move the sides of the cube; Dan Knights for his video database showing how to perform sequences with the hands; Doug Li for first proposing the idea of a user-editable database, and Michiel van der Blonk for realising the idea through Ning's web app builder; at least 50 others for their move sequence databases. Mine is yet another one, but its goals are to show how to perform the sequences with the hands, as best as is possible through computer animation. I am yet to add the "hands" into the animation, but that is something I am planning to do. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

A good friend of my sister's gave her a rubiks cube and wrote on it. I, without thinking, picked it up and messed it up. Now my sister is very sad and mad at me for changing it. she's away on a trip and i would really like to get it the way it was before she get's back. any help would great, thanks.

"vegascitygirl" wrote: > > A good friend of my sister's gave her a rubiks cube and wrote on it. > I, without thinking, picked it up and messed it up. Now my sister is > very sad and mad at me for changing it. she's away on a trip and i > would really like to get it the way it was before she get's back. > any help would great, thanks. Try rubix repair: http://www.roobik.com/cgi-bin/rubix/rubix.cgi -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hey everyone, I know this is very off topic, so I invite any responses to my e-mail rather than on the group if you would rather not clutter up the group. I have been doing sudoku's on and off, and am currently in an on craze, and doing them a lot. I have a book with a lot of sudokus, and one of those hand held sudoku generators. I try to only do the hardest ones from the book, and the highest level on the hand held game. I'm not fast at all, but I consider myself halfway decent because I haven't yet found one I can't solve. My question is about a certain strategy I have been using, I wonder if there are other (i.e. more efficient) ones. When I get to the point where I can't look at all the rows and columns and see if I can find that it's only possible for one space in that row or column to be a certain number, or to use the same idea with each square in a box, then I call this "the wall". It's the point where even looking at every square and seeing which numbers are allowed to fit there and not finding a new number anywhere doesn't give you a new number to place. Whenever I get here I look for any situation where there are only two possibilities. Say a pair of squares can be either (1,4) or the reverse (4,1). I then mentally place one of the options (say 4,1) and see what happens. I mentally make a bunch of moves on the board (having two new squares usually makes finding others easy) and see if I can run into a contradiction (placing two of the same number in some box, row or column, or having one square required to be two different numbers). If I run into a contradiction, I can move forward by placing the other pair. If I make a lot of moves and don't run into a contradiction I try the other pair and see if I get a contradction that way. Every time I have tried this and the first pair led to no contradiction, the second try (the reverse order) always did. I never write down my test moves, I always just memorize where I am placing new numbers. I tend to do about 5-15 moves when doing this before either trying the other pair (maybe there is no contradiction the way I am trying) or finding one if it is there. Sometimes this can be a very time consuming process (I'm not fast at all at solving a Sudoku). Is there a better strategy than to search for a contradiction? I mean specifically for when you hit that point where even doing an exhaustive search of each square/cell does not lead to any new information. By exhaustive search I mean looking at what can fit in all cells, and using information and tricks like some row of 3 cells in a box must contain a 4, so even though a 4 is not there, use the information that one will have to be there to see if that effects other boxes/rows/columns. So far I am sticking with this "try to achieve a contradiction" approach, even if it is very slow. I tend to use this contradiction approach once every puzzle (I try to only do the hardest any time I have a choice). I just finished a sudoku that was literally the hardest one I have ever done. It took me 3.5 hours to do in three sittings about 1 hour each. I had to use the contradiction approach three times, and on one of those tries I made 15 mental moves before finding the contradiction (all done with memory, no writing down). That puzzle prompted me to ask this question, since this approach is so time consuming. It absolutely works, but it's slow. Is there an easier way, or should I stick with this one? Thanks for any help, and since this post is so off topic feel free to respond to my e-mail at chris [at] speedcubing [dot] com if you want. Chris

Hi Chris, The contradiction approach is pretty much a standard technique at that point so far as I know. Being you I guess you've picked up pretty much all of the little tricks etc that you can use before you get to that point (sounds like it). I don't know of anything any cleverer anyway! by the way have you tried Kakuro - that seems to be the second biggest 'seller' of that type of puzzle and I think has more scope and depth than Sudoku. Both great fun though! Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: cmhardw To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:27 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] (very off topic) Sudoku strategies Hey everyone, I know this is very off topic, so I invite any responses to my e-mail rather than on the group if you would rather not clutter up the group. I have been doing sudoku's on and off, and am currently in an on craze, and doing them a lot. I have a book with a lot of sudokus, and one of those hand held sudoku generators. I try to only do the hardest ones from the book, and the highest level on the hand held game. I'm not fast at all, but I consider myself halfway decent because I haven't yet found one I can't solve. My question is about a certain strategy I have been using, I wonder if there are other (i.e. more efficient) ones. When I get to the point where I can't look at all the rows and columns and see if I can find that it's only possible for one space in that row or column to be a certain number, or to use the same idea with each square in a box, then I call this "the wall". It's the point where even looking at every square and seeing which numbers are allowed to fit there and not finding a new number anywhere doesn't give you a new number to place. Whenever I get here I look for any situation where there are only two possibilities. Say a pair of squares can be either (1,4) or the reverse (4,1). I then mentally place one of the options (say 4,1) and see what happens. I mentally make a bunch of moves on the board (having two new squares usually makes finding others easy) and see if I can run into a contradiction (placing two of the same number in some box, row or column, or having one square required to be two different numbers). If I run into a contradiction, I can move forward by placing the other pair. If I make a lot of moves and don't run into a contradiction I try the other pair and see if I get a contradction that way. Every time I have tried this and the first pair led to no contradiction, the second try (the reverse order) always did. I never write down my test moves, I always just memorize where I am placing new numbers. I tend to do about 5-15 moves when doing this before either trying the other pair (maybe there is no contradiction the way I am trying) or finding one if it is there. Sometimes this can be a very time consuming process (I'm not fast at all at solving a Sudoku). Is there a better strategy than to search for a contradiction? I mean specifically for when you hit that point where even doing an exhaustive search of each square/cell does not lead to any new information. By exhaustive search I mean looking at what can fit in all cells, and using information and tricks like some row of 3 cells in a box must contain a 4, so even though a 4 is not there, use the information that one will have to be there to see if that effects other boxes/rows/columns. So far I am sticking with this "try to achieve a contradiction" approach, even if it is very slow. I tend to use this contradiction approach once every puzzle (I try to only do the hardest any time I have a choice). I just finished a sudoku that was literally the hardest one I have ever done. It took me 3.5 hours to do in three sittings about 1 hour each. I had to use the contradiction approach three times, and on one of those tries I made 15 mental moves before finding the contradiction (all done with memory, no writing down). That puzzle prompted me to ask this question, since this approach is so time consuming. It absolutely works, but it's slow. Is there an easier way, or should I stick with this one? Thanks for any help, and since this post is so off topic feel free to respond to my e-mail at chris [at] speedcubing [dot] com if you want. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello, This is a very nice applet, but the only problem is that it is hard to read what is on the buttons (solutions and post a new solution). Otherwise it is kinda nice, but it would be good to have the algorithm too. What do you think ? Gilles.be Ryan Heise a �crit : > > I'll admit I'm not the first to create a database of move sequences ;-) > > Jessica Fridrich and Lars Petrus are to thank for publishing two of the > earliest web listings of sequences, and Lars for the first one that > shows how to move the sides of the cube; Dan Knights for his video > database showing how to perform sequences with the hands; Doug Li for > first proposing the idea of a user-editable database, and Michiel van > der Blonk for realising the idea through Ning's web app builder; at > least 50 others for their move sequence databases. > > Mine is yet another one, but its goals are to show how to perform the > sequences with the hands, as best as is possible through computer > animation. I am yet to add the "hands" into the animation, but that is > something I am planning to do. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ <http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/> > >

Go ahead and follow Jasmine's tutorial, you should have it solved in no time! This solution is also easy to memorize if you find yourself extremely interested in solving the cube :) http://peter.stillhq.com/jasmine/rubikscubesolution.html -Chris On 6/12/06, vegascitygirl <vegascitygirl@...> wrote: > > A good friend of my sister's gave her a rubiks cube and wrote on it. > I, without thinking, picked it up and messed it up. Now my sister is > very sad and mad at me for changing it. she's away on a trip and i > would really like to get it the way it was before she get's back. > any help would great, thanks. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Per!! He had to leave, so there was no time for him to compete in the bigger cubes. It would have been nice to see how good he was with the 555. :-) /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hmmmmm ... > > David Wesley was doing 3x3x3 speedsolving there. But why he didn't > do the larger cubes ? A mystery indeed :-o > > Cheers! > > -Per

Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > This is a very nice applet, but the only problem is that it is > hard to read what is on the buttons (solutions and post a new > solution). The buttons are supposed to have white text on black background, but I haven't really tested on Windows. I've created two test versions, maybe you can tell me if they work: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/index13.html http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/index14.html The first is another attempt to get white text on black background for the buttons. The second is an attempt to make black text on grey background. I'd prefer the first if it works, but if not, I'll make it the second. > it would be good to have the algorithm too. The problem is that there isn't yet any notation to describe the kinds of move that my applet supports (or moves that my applet may support in the future). This is a substantial project in itself, and one I hope to get around to. What I need to do is compile a list of all of the finger tricks that are presently known, and build them into the notation. That way, I can also accurately animate how the hands perform a sequence. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

But "he wrote on it". That is it may very well be a supercube. And in that case even Jasmine doesn´t help. R ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hunt To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] need help Go ahead and follow Jasmine's tutorial, you should have it solved in no time! This solution is also easy to memorize if you find yourself extremely interested in solving the cube :) http://peter.stillhq.com/jasmine/rubikscubesolution.html -Chris ut [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Duncan, Thanks for the help. That's good to know that this is a standard approach. I've never read any strategy books on sudoku, I just started with the really really easy ones in the book I have and worked up from there. I was mostly worried that I was missing some number somewhere whenever I get to that point and decide to use the contradiction approach. It seems like maybe it's always possible at that point to find a number somewhere using some clever trick, but sometimes no matter how hard I look I can't find one. At that point I figure it would be better to just to find a contradiction. The only problem with that, is that apparently it's possible to have a puzzle where that approach is needed more than once (unless I just missed some number somewhere). I do try to go slowly and carefully, rather than quickly, but I can still see how maybe a clue was hidden somewhere and I didn't find it. Thanks for the help, I'll also give Kakuro a shot. I've never heard of it to be honest, but I think google can quickly fix that for me ;-) Thanks for the help! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@...> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > The contradiction approach is pretty much a standard technique at that point so far as I know. Being you I guess you've picked up pretty much all of the little tricks etc that you can use before you get to that point (sounds like it). I don't know of anything any cleverer anyway! by the way have you tried Kakuro - that seems to be the second biggest 'seller' of that type of puzzle and I think has more scope and depth than Sudoku. Both great fun though! > > Duncan

Try learning the techniques on this page (from sudokuoftheday.com): http://tinyurl.com/bruad The technique you described is called Nishio. It sounds like I solve about the same way that you do. I use the easy through advanced techniques from that site, then I skip over the master techniques to Nishio. This may be considered cheating, but I usually do the puzzles using Astraware Sudoku on my PDA with automatic pencil marks turned on. Then I use the feature that lets you draw notes on the screen when I want to try a guess and see if it leads to a contradiction. I can usually get through the Diabolical puzzles in 10-20 minutes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey David, I feel pretty comfortable with most of those strategies, and I think I already use almost all of them to at least some extent. However, I had never really thought about that "swordfish" one, that's something that I want to try to use! I had never thought to do that. I think I often use the advanced techniques to find my options for Nishio if I am getting stuck and no other strategy works. I have also used the "X-wing" and "forcing chains" options a lot. I'm surprised I never thought of the swordfish, which is just a more general type of X-wing idea, but I'm glad I know about it now! The swordfish thing is probably one that could save me from doing Nishio when I get stuck and nothing else seems to work. Nishio works, but it's very, very time consuming! I also seem to be one of the weirdos, I enjoy doing the puzzles where I only write down the final numbers in the cells, and try to remember all the pairs, and Xwings and other options in my head. The downside is that it takes me some time to come back into a half finished puzzle if I put it down for a while. I like it though, it's a brain workout, but that probably explains why I'm very slow at these. 10-20 minutes for a harder puzzle is awesome! I average about 90 minutes for the hardest level puzzles, but my record is 25 minutes on one from one of my books. I don't think it's cheating to write the information you find out down, it seems like it would be much more efficient. I just like the memory test of doing it without writing anything down but the final numbers. I often have to spend some time just memorizing the information I've found out (usually pairs where I have 2 options to go from there, and I may use it for a Nishio attempt later). It's fun, but I'll never win any contest for speed sudoku lol. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David Barr" <david20708@...> wrote: > > Try learning the techniques on this page (from sudokuoftheday.com): > > http://tinyurl.com/bruad > > The technique you described is called Nishio. > > It sounds like I solve about the same way that you do. I use the easy > through advanced techniques from that site, then I skip over the master > techniques to Nishio. > > This may be considered cheating, but I usually do the puzzles using > Astraware Sudoku on my PDA with automatic pencil marks turned on. Then I > use the feature that lets you draw notes on the screen when I want to try a > guess and see if it leads to a contradiction. I can usually get through the > Diabolical puzzles in 10-20 minutes. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

The stats at the bottom of the page are showing a decrease lately in the usage of this group. And frankly, I haven't read very many interesting things here lately. We used to have 150 posts per week and now we have < 75. What's happening? -Ben.

We've all passed out from holding our breath for the 6x6x6. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > The stats at the bottom of the page are showing a decrease lately in > the usage of this group. And frankly, I haven't read very many > interesting things here lately. > > We used to have 150 posts per week and now we have < 75. > What's happening? > > -Ben. >

lmao, that is good stuff ----- Original Message ---- From: christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:30:30 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Decreased use of the group We've all passed out from holding our breath for the 6x6x6. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > The stats at the bottom of the page are showing a decrease lately in > the usage of this group. And frankly, I haven't read very many > interesting things here lately. > > We used to have 150 posts per week and now we have < 75. > What's happening? > > -Ben. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Is anyone going to the Giants Game on Friday, June 23? It's Giants vs. A's at 7:15 PM in San Francisco. I'll be solving a cube during the 7th Inning Stretch. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

no i'm going on the 19th :( ----- Original Message ---- From: Tyson Mao <tmao@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:44:24 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Giants Game Is anyone going to the Giants Game on Friday, June 23? It's Giants vs. A's at 7:15 PM in San Francisco. I'll be solving a cube during the 7th Inning Stretch. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you could get me a ticket, I'd be there for sure. I hope you know all the words to "take me out to the ballgame" Good luck, I hope the A's pound the Giants. -mg --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > no i'm going on the 19th :( > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:44:24 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Giants Game > > Is anyone going to the Giants Game on Friday, June 23? It's Giants vs. > A's at 7:15 PM in San Francisco. I'll be solving a cube during the 7th > Inning Stretch. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

How did you get that setup? Do you go out in the field and do it or what? I'll try to watch it on TV. Get me Bonds' autograph ;) Good luck, Patrick --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" <skeneegee@...> wrote: > > If you could get me a ticket, I'd be there for sure. > I hope you know all the words to "take me out to the ballgame" > > Good luck, I hope the A's pound the Giants. > > -mg > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > no i'm going on the 19th :( > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:44:24 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Giants Game > > > > Is anyone going to the Giants Game on > Friday, June 23? It's Giants vs. > > A's at 7:15 PM in San Francisco. I'll be solving a cube during the > 7th > > Inning Stretch. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

You can try my guide if you want: http://www.pjk.has.it (then click on beginners guide on the left) Good luck. Patrick --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "vegascitygirl" <vegascitygirl@...> wrote: > > A good friend of my sister's gave her a rubiks cube and wrote on it. > I, without thinking, picked it up and messed it up. Now my sister is > very sad and mad at me for changing it. she's away on a trip and i > would really like to get it the way it was before she get's back. > any help would great, thanks. >

Mmm, weird, now both work very well (yesterday the text was in white) but now it's black on all versions so it is perfect. :-) Thanks, Gilles.be Ryan Heise a �crit : > > Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > This is a very nice applet, but the only problem is that it is > > hard to read what is on the buttons (solutions and post a new > > solution). > > The buttons are supposed to have white text on black background, but I > haven't really tested on Windows. > > I've created two test versions, maybe you can tell me if they work: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/index13.html > <http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/index13.html> > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/index14.html > <http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/index14.html> > > The first is another attempt to get white text on black background for > the buttons. > > The second is an attempt to make black text on grey background. > > I'd prefer the first if it works, but if not, I'll make it the second. > > > it would be good to have the algorithm too. > > The problem is that there isn't yet any notation to describe the kinds > of move that my applet supports (or moves that my applet may support > in the future). This is a substantial project in itself, and one I > hope to get around to. What I need to do is compile a list of all of > the finger tricks that are presently known, and build them into the > notation. That way, I can also accurately animate how the hands > perform a sequence. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ <http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/> > >

It's so true! I used to read every single message on this group (and reply to half of them) and ponder everything that everyone had to say. Now my morning ritual consists of: 1) Sign on to this email list and furiously scan the subjects for "6x6x6" 2) Log in to the twisty puzzle forum and furiously scan new thread subjects for "6x6x6" 3) Scowl and close my browser. Have there been dry spells before leading up to the release of a new puzzle? Actually, has any twisty puzzle ever been this highly anticipated since the creation of this group? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > lmao, that is good stuff > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:30:30 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Decreased use of the group > > We've all passed out from holding our breath for the 6x6x6. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@> > wrote: > > > > The stats at the bottom of the page are showing a decrease lately in > > the usage of this group. And frankly, I haven't read very many > > interesting things here lately. > > > > We used to have 150 posts per week and now we have < 75. > > What's happening? > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I think perhaps people read but just don't post a lot (like myself). That, and this year has been busy for a lot of people -- unusually so. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > It's so true! I used to read every single message on this group (and > reply to half of them) and ponder everything that everyone had to say. > Now my morning ritual consists of: > > 1) Sign on to this email list and furiously scan the subjects for "6x6x6" > 2) Log in to the twisty puzzle forum and furiously scan new thread > subjects for "6x6x6" > 3) Scowl and close my browser. > > Have there been dry spells before leading up to the release of a new > puzzle? Actually, has any twisty puzzle ever been this highly > anticipated since the creation of this group? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > lmao, that is good stuff > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:30:30 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Decreased use of the group > > > > We've all passed out from holding our > breath for the 6x6x6. > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > The stats at the bottom of the page are showing a decrease lately in > > > the usage of this group. And frankly, I haven't read very many > > > interesting things here lately. > > > > > > We used to have 150 posts per week and now we have < 75. > > > What's happening? > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > Mmm, weird, now both work very well (yesterday the text was in > white) but now it's black on all versions so it is perfect. :-) Both are test versions which try to fix the bug in different ways (and did not exist yesterday, so that's not so weird). I'm glad they work, but I'm confused that they both show black text for you. In index13.html I tried to show white text on a black background. Is this not happening? That is the one I really hope works. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hey everyone, I've also been wondering about this, but I think there are a few reasons. 1) The rubiks forum is a very nice forum, and is doing very well. If you haven't tried it, give it a shot! http://rubiks.has.it 2) People seem to be busy even on other groups, maybe because it's summer? I'm a member of a few different yahoo groups and they've all been very slow lately. Even the rubiks forum has been slow lately. The 6x6x6 is also keeping me in suspense, but I want to post too! ;-) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I think perhaps people read but just don't post a lot (like myself). > That, and this year has been busy for a lot of people -- unusually so. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." > <mmoberly@> wrote: > > > > It's so true! I used to read every single message on this group > (and > > reply to half of them) and ponder everything that everyone had to > say. > > Now my morning ritual consists of: > > > > 1) Sign on to this email list and furiously scan the subjects > for "6x6x6" > > 2) Log in to the twisty puzzle forum and furiously scan new thread > > subjects for "6x6x6" > > 3) Scowl and close my browser. > > > > Have there been dry spells before leading up to the release of a new > > puzzle? Actually, has any twisty puzzle ever been this highly > > anticipated since the creation of this group? > >

Just looked at http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html again a moment ago. Bah, they're now sub14 and I've been kicked out of top-10. But hey, *all* ten before me either had PLL-skip or edge 3-cycle. Not fair. Then again, my F2L+OLL was kinda easy... Anyway, I'd be interested in the number of moves, would be nice to see this in another column. Cheers! Stefan

I'd be interested in the number of moves, too. Andy, Harris, and I have done 9.xx, 11.xx, and 12.xx respectively with skips. We're not posting "lucky" times. That said, I don't think it's possible to go much faster without a very easy case. Ryan, what's the limit for number of moves per second on this applet? Sometimes I type the moves for PLL and have to wait for the cubes to finish turning after I stop typing. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Just looked at http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html again a moment > ago. Bah, they're now sub14 and I've been kicked out of top-10. But > hey, *all* ten before me either had PLL-skip or edge 3-cycle. Not > fair. Then again, my F2L+OLL was kinda easy... > > Anyway, I'd be interested in the number of moves, would be nice to see > this in another column. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Hi, i was wondering if there is any way to salvage my pyraminx. Essentially, a piece popped out when solving and i lost one of those black holders that contains a spring and the ball bearing. Now when i try to turn it, it is extremely loose and I cant solve it without it all falling apart. Does anyone know a way to fix the pyraminx so that i can continue using it. I hope it wasnt a waste of 16 bucks.

"mackymakisumi" wrote: > Ryan, what's the limit for number of moves per second on this > applet? 6 moves per second. > Sometimes I type the moves for PLL and have to wait for the cubes to > finish turning after I stop typing. Consider that if I let you perform moves as fast as you can type them, you could probably achieve 7 second non-lucky solves(*). That would be an interesting game, but a different one (that I might set up one day). The grand plan includes actually having different divisions for different values of the maximum rotation speed constant. (*) How fast can you perform the sequence R'ULU'RUL'U' on my applet? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

My epidode of cubing will be telecast on 21st june wednesday in SHABASH INDIA programme in ZEE TV from 10.30 pm to 11 pm Indian Standard time. Have fun J.Bernett Orlando Sachin Shirwalkar <sachinss@...> wrote: Good work! Be sure to record the episode. Sachin. On 6/6/06, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > Dear Cubers, > I am very glad to share my experience with ZEE TV. Zee tv is producing a new episode called "SHABASH INDIA" means WELL DONE INDIA. I am lucky to have been selected for my cubing. Cubing is a alien sport in India. I know only 3 cubers in entire India. > They(Zee tv crews) came home in dec-2005 and filmed me cubing fast and blindfolded. They also interviewed my parents, friends, school teachers and principal etc. They filmed me in the park also. > They invited me to Bombay(more than 2000 km from my home town) for studio interview on 27th may 2006. They welcomed me to the studio amidst young girls dancing around me. They asked me how I learnt it. As I do not know HINDI, there was a interpretor for me. One of the audiences was called upon to scramble a 3*3*3 cube and I was asked to solve blindfolded. I did it perfectly. The anchor Mr.Hussain, a Bollywood actor was very friendly and jovial. Then he questioned my dad who was sitting in the audience - how do you feel about your son's achievement, how you trained him, how he got interest in it, what is the history behind the invention of the cube etc. Then he asked me how I memorised the cube, but failed to ask me how to solve a cube!!!! > All the other cubes 4*4*4, 5*5*5, 2*2*2, megaminx and square-1 were also available on the stage. But he never asked me anything about them for want of time. > My episode is number 3 and will be telecast in the last week of june-2006. The duration is 30 min and I shall let you know the exact date and time of telecast as soon as I am intimated. > Hope my cubing show in ZEE TV might inspire many youngsters in India and other countries to learn cubing. > I watched many other people performing different items. It was all fun. My dad performed 2 items - human calendar(1600 to 9999) and a deck of 52 cards. His episode is number 22 and will be telecast in august-2006. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Congrats Andy! It also motivates me to do something like that. j.bernett orlando Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com Stay connected with your friends even when away from PC. Link: http://in.mobile.yahoo.com/new/messenger/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The file hosting web site I used for my Trumbull videos apparently moved to a new server, and the links apparently do not work any more, so I have uploaded them again. Here are the new links: Cory's 5x5x5 solve with a time of 2:08.86: (I don't think I had this one uploaded before.) http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=5b57ab40 Bob Burton's world record Magic performance: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=0eb9d65c Cory's one-handed 27.80-second solve - fastest one-handed solve at Trumbull: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=7fa4f31c Cory'S 4.34-second 2x2x2 solve: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=f7a56ec8 Craig'S Canadian record 4.93-second 2x2x2 solve: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=2d7fdbf9 Craig's Magic solves for Canadian record average (1st/fastest solve missing): http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=46c9b2a6 Craig's Master Magic solves for Canadian record average: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=7a515334 Matt's Canadian record 4x4x4 solve (ending part): http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=2d93df14 Nathaniel's personal best 14.09-second solve: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=d6bccba5 Craig's 5x5x5 solves for a Canadian record average: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=51180af8 Matt's Canadian record single 5x5x5 solve: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=1ca698f5 Three of Anthony's 2x2x2 solves where he set the American record average time: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=6b20a563 Anthony's 14.00-second solve: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=ebacfb50 Three of Matt's 3x3x3 solves for a Canadian record average time, and Matt after finishing his 13.94-second solve. http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=e4ae308a Craig's 10.71-second 2x2x2 solve, part of his Canadian record for average time: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=91fc47d8 Four of Matt's 4x4x4 solves for a Canadian record average time. http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=b5be307d Craig's winning BLD solve for a Canadian record: http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=1f61ba80 Craig's Stackmat timer stopping problem (two instances, at one-fifth speed): http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=57f0c834 - Bruce Norskog --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > I have uploaded some more videos from the Trumbull competition. > > Craig's 5x5x5 solves for a Canadian record average: > http://tinyurl.com/zocyn > > Matt's Canadian record single 5x5x5 solve: > http://tinyurl.com/zh2av > > I believe this record was broken a number of times that day by Matt > and Craig, with Matt ending up with the record when it was over. > > Three of Anthony's 2x2x2 solves where he set the American record > average time. > http://tinyurl.com/f232o > > Anthony's 14.00-second solve: > http://tinyurl.com/kjf2m > > Three of Matt's 3x3x3 solves for a Canadian record average time, and > Matt after finishing his 13.94-second solve. > http://tinyurl.com/zg57w > > Craig's 10.71-second 2x2x2 solve, part of his Canadian record for > average time. > http://tinyurl.com/kl98k > > I had also recorded his 22.74-second solve, but a judge was blocking > the view for most of the solve. (And anyway, even I can usually solve > a 2x2x2 in less time than that.) So I didn't upload that one. > > Four of Matt's 4x4x4 solves for a Canadian record average time. > http://tinyurl.com/gwuck > > Craig's winning BLD solve for a Canadian record: > http://tinyurl.com/h773c > > I'll also note here that these links will not work forever. The files > may disappear after not being downloaded during a period of 30 days or > so. Enjoy! > > - Bruce Norskog > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > > > Just a little correction to what I said in my previous message... > > > > I incorrectly referred to Cory's 27.80-second one-handed solve as a > > "winning" solve. The solve was the fastest at the competition in that > > event, and Cory did win that event, but his winning was based on the > > average of his middle three solves, to my understanding. > > > > - Bruce Norskog > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > > > > > In addition to Bob Burton's world record Magic performance > > > (downloadable using http://tinyurl.com/ot7tt), I have made > > > the following videos from the Trumbull competition available > > > online, downloadable using the URLs listed. > > > > > > Cory's winning one-handed 27.80-second solve: > > > http://tinyurl.com/hct7l > > > > > > Cory'S 4.34-second 2x2x2 solve: > > > http://tinyurl.com/j6cju > > > > > > Craig'S Canadian record 4.93-second 2x2x2 solve: > > > http://tinyurl.com/h9fdx > > > > > > Craig's Magic solves for Canadian record average (1st/fastest solve > > > missing): > > > http://tinyurl.com/zrhea > > > > > > Craig's Master Magic solves for Canadian record average: > > > http://tinyurl.com/e9wm9 > > > > > > Matt's Canadian record 4x4x4 solve (ending part): > > > http://tinyurl.com/kg7rg > > > > > > Nathaniel's personal best 14.09-second solve: > > > http://tinyurl.com/jgdjj > > > > > > - Bruce Norskog > > > > > >

Hi :-) There should be an option to turn off the animation or alternatively option for animation speed. This can be done with a screen before the "cube screen" so that the parameters for the applet can be scripted with the desired animation settings. Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > I'd be interested in the number of moves, too. > > Andy, Harris, and I have done 9.xx, 11.xx, and 12.xx respectively with > skips. We're not posting "lucky" times. That said, I don't think it's > possible to go much faster without a very easy case. > > Ryan, what's the limit for number of moves per second on this applet? > Sometimes I type the moves for PLL and have to wait for the cubes to > finish turning after I stop typing. > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > Just looked at http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html again a moment > > ago. Bah, they're now sub14 and I've been kicked out of top-10. But > > hey, *all* ten before me either had PLL-skip or edge 3-cycle. Not > > fair. Then again, my F2L+OLL was kinda easy... > > > > Anyway, I'd be interested in the number of moves, would be nice to see > > this in another column. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > There should be an option to turn off the animation or alternatively > option for animation speed. This can be done with a screen before > the "cube screen" so that the parameters for the applet can be > scripted with the desired animation settings. Hi Per, there is a "grand plan" which goes as follows: a multi-player Rubik's Cube game server, where you can login and compete against other cubists in real time, or against yourself, either in asynchronous head-to-head battles, or turn based synchronous battles, and either for speed or few moves, and for either seeing or blindfolded solving, and for 3 different settings of the maximum rotation speed constant ("c", "normal", "slow"). Spectators will be able to login anonymously and watch realtime battles. Members will have statistics including their overall rankings. For the current game, the goal is to set the rotation speed limit close to the apparent physical speed limit. I suspect the current limit of 6.25 moves per second needs to be at 9 moves per second, but I don't have enough data to go and changes things -- and invalidate the current list of records -- yet. The order of tasks on my todo list goes something like this: - add a "lucky solve" checkbox for submitting lucky solves - add a "rolling average" records list on the left side of the page - allow simultaneous rotations on different axes - make 180 degree turns faster - begin work on the grand plan The "rolling average" feature will give me a better indication of what the rotation speed limit should be for emulating physical cubing. There are, however, at the moment, I am busy building some new features for the cube database: - Allow individual cubists to mark which sequences they personally use - Use this data to sort solutions according to their popularity, and also allow users to view the set of solutions preferred by a particular cubist - Sort solutions by cube rotation - ... and some other features which overlap with the speed simulator -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hello, Exactly in one week (Friday, June 23rd, 2006, 13:00 GMT) starts Polish 24 hour Group Marathon! Six speedcubers from Poland are going to beat all world records in this category. There will be online internet cameras and results updated every 15 minutes. Join us at speedcubing.com.pl! Choose Polish marathon (main menu at the left), then choose english - english version will appear. There are all necessary details. keep (speed)cubing ;) zz

just point out who i have to kill for a new 5x5 and a 6x6 from olympic cubes. seriously any updates from you boys in greece? we can't take much more of this :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i have guns. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > just point out who i have to kill for a new 5x5 and a 6x6 from olympic cubes. seriously any updates from you boys in greece? we can't take much more of this :) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Watch and be amazed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZduHUb3M-sI

Ryan Heise wrote: > - allow simultaneous rotations on different axes > - make 180 degree turns faster This behaviour is now implemented in the Cube Database and shows up in many of the PLL sequences: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/ I will transfer this behaviour over to the speed version of the applet at some point, except that: the speed version will execute any move more quickly (not just 180 degree turns) if there is a backlog of moves waiting to be animated. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hey guys, I haven't been posting in this group much anymore... Actually I haven't been able to do serious training on the cube for a little while, because of other work I have to do. But today I ran into a game, and I think a lot of people here will like it: http://www.microgames.info/game_info.php?products_id=205 enjoy ;) Joël.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I haven't been posting in this group much anymore... Actually I > haven't been able to do serious training on the cube for a little > while, because of other work I have to do. But today I ran into a > game, and I think a lot of people here will like it: > > http://www.microgames.info/game_info.php?products_id=205 > > enjoy ;) > > Joël. > Peter, Craig, Thom, Fracois, and I were all doing this a couple days ago.

Is there a way to resume the game ? I'm stuck at the level 16 (poor, I know) but I kinda have to go now, too bad :-( Gilles.be Timothy Sun a �crit : > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, Jo�l van Noort > <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > > > Hey guys, > > > > I haven't been posting in this group much anymore... Actually I > > haven't been able to do serious training on the cube for a little > > while, because of other work I have to do. 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Once upon a time there was a lively and interesting discussion here about the Rubik´s cube (3x3x3) . Other entertainments have apparently now taken it´s place. Are we going back to 1983? R ----- Original Message ----- From: Joël van Noort To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Funny game with cubes and coloured squares Hey guys, I haven't been posting in this group much anymore... Actually I haven't been able to do serious training on the cube for a little while, because of other work I have to do. But today I ran into a game, and I think a lot of people here will like it: http://www.microgames.info/game_info.php?products_id=205 enjoy ;) Joël. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh, and....yeah...the level 16 is hard...but the 19 is imposible :P Pedro Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: Is there a way to resume the game ? I'm stuck at the level 16 (poor, I know) but I kinda have to go now, too bad :-( Gilles.be Timothy Sun a écrit : > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > > > Hey guys, > > > > I haven't been posting in this group much anymore... Actually I > > haven't been able to do serious training on the cube for a little > > while, because of other work I have to do. 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Yes, there's a way. Just clic CONTINUE the next time you open the game well, worked for me : ) Pedro Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@gmail.com> escreveu: Is there a way to resume the game ? I'm stuck at the level 16 (poor, I know) but I kinda have to go now, too bad :-( Gilles.be Timothy Sun a écrit : > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > > > Hey guys, > > > > I haven't been posting in this group much anymore... Actually I > > haven't been able to do serious training on the cube for a little > > while, because of other work I have to do. 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Yeah, I got stuck at level 19 also. Sven > Oh, and....yeah...the level 16 is hard...but the 19 is imposible :P > > Pedro > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: > Is there a way to resume the game ? > I'm stuck at the level 16 (poor, I know) but I kinda have to go now, too > bad :-( > > Gilles.be

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I haven't been posting in this group much anymore... Actually I > haven't been able to do serious training on the cube for a little > while, because of other work I have to do. But today I ran into a > game, and I think a lot of people here will like it: > > http://www.microgames.info/game_info.php?products_id=205 > > enjoy ;) > > Joël. > That game is really nice, but too simple. Took me around 1½ hours, I think. If more faces of the cube were used, it would be harder. 23 was definately my favourite, it's really beautiful :) - Johannes Laire

how many levels are there ? I'am at 27....(http://www.belgiancubes.be/27.jpg) Thx, Gilles.be Johannes Laire a �crit : > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, Jo�l van Noort > <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > > > Hey guys, > > > > I haven't been posting in this group much anymore... Actually I > > haven't been able to do serious training on the cube for a little > > while, because of other work I have to do. But today I ran into a > > game, and I think a lot of people here will like it: > > > > http://www.microgames.info/game_info.php?products_id=205 > <http://www.microgames.info/game_info.php?products_id=205> > > > > enjoy ;) > > > > Jo�l. > > > > That game is really nice, but too simple. Took me around 1� hours, I > think. If more faces of the cube were used, it would be harder. 23 was > definately my favourite, it's really beautiful :) > > - > Johannes Laire > >

There are 30 levels. I just finished level 30, it took me about an hour and a half to do all the levels also. That was a very cool game, but some of the levels were very easy I thought. 23 and 27 were my favorites, both had very cool solutions. 30 was kind of interesting too, but not as hard as 23 or 27 for me. Very cool game, are there more like it? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > how many levels are there ? > I'am at 27....(http://www.belgiancubes.be/27.jpg) > > Thx, > Gilles.be >

Hi guys, The game is similar to one of the games on the Rubik's Games cdrom. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: cmhardw To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Funny game with cubes and coloured squares There are 30 levels. I just finished level 30, it took me about an hour and a half to do all the levels also. That was a very cool game, but some of the levels were very easy I thought. 23 and 27 were my favorites, both had very cool solutions. 30 was kind of interesting too, but not as hard as 23 or 27 for me. Very cool game, are there more like it? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > how many levels are there ? > I'am at 27....(http://www.belgiancubes.be/27.jpg) > > Thx, > Gilles.be > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OLD humor.. F2LÇϴ¹ý http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/f2l.wmv »õ·Î¿î OLL http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/newcoll.wmv

That COLL one was great! I was literally cracking up out loud! I don't really think I get the F2L one though :-S Cool videos! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" <none88yoo@...> wrote: > > OLD humor.. > > > F2LÇϴ¹ý > > http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/f2l.wmv > > »õ·Î¿î OLL > > http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/newcoll.wmv >

LOL! That is funny as hell! ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > That COLL one was great! I was literally cracking up out loud! > > I don't really think I get the F2L one though :-S > > Cool videos! > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" > <none88yoo@> wrote: > > > > OLD humor.. > > > > > > F2LÇϴ¹ý > > > > http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/f2l.wmv > > > > »õ·Î¿î OLL > > > > http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/newcoll.wmv > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" <none88yoo@...> wrote: > > OLD humor.. > > http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/newcoll.wmv > That's great! I actually witnessed this going on in one of the 1982 competitions (Chicago Cube-a-Thon). Back then the judging was not one- on-one, so more shenanigans went on. Fortunately the people that had to resort to this kind of trickery were slow enough not to advance to finals. But what's the deal with the F2L video? Chris

Wow, some ppl are sad...The F2L vieo is just as it says...F2 L hahaha...that was more funny than the COLL one to me :) Craig That's great! I actually witnessed this going on in one of the 1982 > competitions (Chicago Cube-a-Thon). Back then the judging was not one- > on-one, so more shenanigans went on. Fortunately the people that had > to resort to this kind of trickery were slow enough not to advance to > finals. > > But what's the deal with the F2L video? > > Chris >

An explanation of the F2L video: (if you still want to figure it out yourself, don't read) Note that he turns the front face 180 degrees, then the left side 90 degrees clockwise. In standard notation, the first turn would be F2 and the second would be L. So, putting them together, we get...F2 L [F2L] Took me two viewings to get it. I groaned out loud when I figured it out :) Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" > <none88yoo@> wrote: > > > > OLD humor.. > > > > http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/newcoll.wmv > > > > That's great! I actually witnessed this going on in one of the 1982 > competitions (Chicago Cube-a-Thon). Back then the judging was not one- > on-one, so more shenanigans went on. Fortunately the people that had > to resort to this kind of trickery were slow enough not to advance to > finals. > > But what's the deal with the F2L video? > > Chris >

He should make a BLD video. ;) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Wow, some ppl are sad...The F2L vieo is just as it says...F2 L > hahaha...that was more funny than the COLL one to me :) > > Craig > > That's great! I actually witnessed this going on in one of the 1982 > > competitions (Chicago Cube-a-Thon). Back then the judging was not > one- > > on-one, so more shenanigans went on. Fortunately the people that > had > > to resort to this kind of trickery were slow enough not to advance > to > > finals. > > > > But what's the deal with the F2L video? > > > > Chris > > >

I got through them all, but i think i used over 2 hours. 16, 19, 23, 27 and 28 felt hard. Terje -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Ron van Bruchem Sendt: 18. juni 2006 22:56 Til: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Emne: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Funny game with cubes and coloured squares Hi guys, The game is similar to one of the games on the Rubik's Games cdrom. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: cmhardw To: speedsolvingrubiksc <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> ube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Funny game with cubes and coloured squares There are 30 levels. I just finished level 30, it took me about an hour and a half to do all the levels also. That was a very cool game, but some of the levels were very easy I thought. 23 and 27 were my favorites, both had very cool solutions. 30 was kind of interesting too, but not as hard as 23 or 27 for me. Very cool game, are there more like it? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubiksc <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> ube@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > how many levels are there ? > I'am at 27....(http://www.belgianc <http://www.belgiancubes.be/27.jpg> ubes.be/27.jpg) > > Thx, > Gilles.be > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi everyone, I've been working on the 3x3x3 a lot lately, and have noticed that I get better averages when I am very, very, very careful and hardly ever take risks. I do extended cross a lot, with dual solving I should theoretically do it a little over 50% of the time, but I don't quite do it 50-50. I'd say closer to 40% of the time. I've noticed that I often do the extended cross only when I've spotted the 2x2x2 and have a rough idea of where the other two cross edges will be as I solve the 2x2x2. Sometimes this ends up being fast, as I can track the other cross edges while solving the 2x2x2. Other times though the other cross pieces are out of sight, or blocked by my hand, and I usually end up having a delay to find them later. I've noticed that I get better averages when I only do extended cross when I am certain that I will never have pieces out of sight, or when I can track all of them during inspection. Sometimes I can just see the Xcross, so no big deal. Other times, if I only see the 2x2x2, I used to always do Xcross. Now I only do Xcross when I am certain that I can track the other two cross edges. I've even done just cross when my brain was screaming at me to do Xcross, but I still got a fast solve in the end. It just seems that by not taking any risks, or any gambles, that I seem to be able to get better averages. Does anyone else notice they do better when they aren't taking risks? I've always heard that better people take risks, and in competitions they are meant to force you to be a little more careful. Well I think maybe I'm weird or something, but I've noticed that by hardly ever taking risks I tend to do better. How can I take "good" risks? That seems to be the key to getting faster averages. Thanks for any help, Chris

Not sure if this answers the exact question you're asking, but it's at least in the general area. On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:02, cmhardw wrote: > Does anyone else notice they do better when they aren't taking risks? > I've always heard that better people take risks, and in competitions > they are meant to force you to be a little more careful. Well I think > maybe I'm weird or something, but I've noticed that by hardly ever > taking risks I tend to do better. > > How can I take "good" risks? That seems to be the key to getting > faster averages. My take is that speedsolving is not the time to take risks. Always going for simple and stupid things is not the ideal either. I think the best is if you find an interesting situation like this while speed practicing, stop the timer, and try to think it through, learn what's interesting about the situation and how to handle it. Perhaps try speed solving it several times. Then, the NEXT time to encounter a similar position, it will not be a risky gamble, but a well known situation that you know how to handle at full speed. That's of course a lot of work, and I haven't personally done it much the last 25 years. But back then I spent half my time trying to solve for fewest moves, which teaches you a LOT that you can never learn while speeding, and that over time translates into speed cubing. - - - - - - - - - - - - "Reality is what refuses to go away when you stop believing in it" --- Philip K Dick Lars Petrus, lars@... http://lar5.com

Yeah, that's true...sometimes I try to do a complicated cross (to use less moves), and end up with a bad time...other times I do the a more simple cross(using more moves, though), and get a better time at the end... Pedro cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Hi everyone, I've been working on the 3x3x3 a lot lately, and have noticed that I get better averages when I am very, very, very careful and hardly ever take risks. I do extended cross a lot, with dual solving I should theoretically do it a little over 50% of the time, but I don't quite do it 50-50. I'd say closer to 40% of the time. I've noticed that I often do the extended cross only when I've spotted the 2x2x2 and have a rough idea of where the other two cross edges will be as I solve the 2x2x2. Sometimes this ends up being fast, as I can track the other cross edges while solving the 2x2x2. Other times though the other cross pieces are out of sight, or blocked by my hand, and I usually end up having a delay to find them later. I've noticed that I get better averages when I only do extended cross when I am certain that I will never have pieces out of sight, or when I can track all of them during inspection. Sometimes I can just see the Xcross, so no big deal. Other times, if I only see the 2x2x2, I used to always do Xcross. Now I only do Xcross when I am certain that I can track the other two cross edges. I've even done just cross when my brain was screaming at me to do Xcross, but I still got a fast solve in the end. It just seems that by not taking any risks, or any gambles, that I seem to be able to get better averages. Does anyone else notice they do better when they aren't taking risks? I've always heard that better people take risks, and in competitions they are meant to force you to be a little more careful. Well I think maybe I'm weird or something, but I've noticed that by hardly ever taking risks I tend to do better. How can I take "good" risks? That seems to be the key to getting faster averages. Thanks for any help, Chris --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Wow, some ppl are sad...The F2L vieo is just as it says...F2 L > hahaha...that was more funny than the COLL one to me :) > GROAN... That is funny!

Hi everyone, I have listed some 4x4x4 tricks at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/speedcubing/algs/4x4x4/. OLLparity+OLL 1flip.doc: To solve the OLL parity and OLL with one alg (using smart setupmoves) when only one LL-edge needs to be flipped. F2L + OLL parity.doc: To solve the last F2L pair and fix the OLL parity with one alg (using smart setupmoves). OLLparity+OLL 3flip.doc: To solve the OLL parity and OLL with one alg (using smart setupmoves) when three LL-edge needs to be flipped. Except from maybe two cases I think this file is not very interesting. If you think you have some better algs or new cases let me know. I wish there were good 4x4x4 solvers to find the optimal algs. Btw, I don't use these tricks myself for speedcubing, but I thought maybe someone would be interested. Michael Fung

hey michael, thanks a lot, there's a bunch of new ones in there for me to learn, its always cool for people to share this much information with others :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm not sure if it is the wisest thing to do... But the only way for me to get my best averages, is to go simply _as_fast_as_possible. This includes, of course, 'on the edge' seeing ahead and barely keeping up with a constant super-fast motion. With practice it can be controlled more often than not, but it takes a lot for me to get there... So, the faster I go, the more risks I make. but that's me. -Brent M Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: Not sure if this answers the exact question you're asking, but it's at least in the general area. On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:02, cmhardw wrote: > Does anyone else notice they do better when they aren't taking risks? > I've always heard that better people take risks, and in competitions > they are meant to force you to be a little more careful. Well I think > maybe I'm weird or something, but I've noticed that by hardly ever > taking risks I tend to do better. > > How can I take "good" risks? That seems to be the key to getting > faster averages. My take is that speedsolving is not the time to take risks. Always going for simple and stupid things is not the ideal either. I think the best is if you find an interesting situation like this while speed practicing, stop the timer, and try to think it through, learn what's interesting about the situation and how to handle it. Perhaps try speed solving it several times. Then, the NEXT time to encounter a similar position, it will not be a risky gamble, but a well known situation that you know how to handle at full speed. That's of course a lot of work, and I haven't personally done it much the last 25 years. But back then I spent half my time trying to solve for fewest moves, which teaches you a LOT that you can never learn while speeding, and that over time translates into speed cubing. - - - - - - - - - - - - "Reality is what refuses to go away when you stop believing in it" --- Philip K Dick Lars Petrus, lars@... http://lar5.com :) --Brent --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am appearing in Zee TV on 21st June(wednesday) for cubing from 10.30 pm to 11.30 pm Indian Standard Time. If you get a chance, plz watch me and excercise your VOTE FOR ME. J.Bernett Orlando --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) I wish u good luck with your appearance on Zee TV. But i think u have made enough announcements about it here already. Also u have sent out email about this to my email. I do not want to receive "personal mails" targeted for this group as i have specifically opted out of having message for this group delivered to my mail :-) Best of luck! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > I am appearing in Zee TV on 21st June(wednesday) for cubing from 10.30 pm to 11.30 pm Indian Standard Time. > If you get a chance, plz watch me and excercise your VOTE FOR ME. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

What is the name of the program will you be on? I'm calculating that it will be on DISH network TV at 6AM Thursday (Eastern Daylight Time). Just want to make sure the right program. They have three different Zee TV channels. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > I am appearing in Zee TV on 21st June(wednesday) for cubing from 10.30 pm to 11.30 pm Indian Standard Time. > If you get a chance, plz watch me and excercise your VOTE FOR ME. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi, and thanks a lot! I took the liberty of converting the Word documents to PDF. Not everyone has Word. I only have OpenOffice and KWord, no Microsoft Word. I'm attaching the three documents converted to PDF files and compressed to a Zip archive. Maybe this helps someone. Best regards, Aron Stansvik PS. I hope I'm allowed to attach a 114 KB file when posting to this list. DS. On 6/19/06, mmwfung1985 <mmwfung1985@...> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have listed some 4x4x4 tricks at > http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~mfung/speedcubing/algs/4x4x4/. > > OLLparity+OLL 1flip.doc: > To solve the OLL parity and OLL with one alg (using smart setupmoves) > when only one LL-edge needs to be flipped. > > F2L + OLL parity.doc: > To solve the last F2L pair and fix the OLL parity with one alg (using > smart setupmoves). > > OLLparity+OLL 3flip.doc: > To solve the OLL parity and OLL with one alg (using smart setupmoves) > when three LL-edge needs to be flipped. Except from maybe two cases I > think this file is not very interesting. > > If you think you have some better algs or new cases let me know. I > wish there were good 4x4x4 solvers to find the optimal algs. Btw, I > don't use these tricks myself for speedcubing, but I thought maybe > someone would be interested. > > Michael Fung > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You may all laugh at this, but the first week that I was reading messages from this group, I kept wondering why everyone was talking about doing two moves (F2,L). Michiel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" <none88yoo@...> wrote: > > OLD humor.. > > > F2L�ϴ¹� > > http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/f2l.wmv > > ��ο� OLL > > http://www.xpert.co.kr/1enjoy/2game/cube/pds/newcoll.wmv >

yeah.. it's so funny :) this game end, level 30.. about 4hours... Master this game .. LEVEL 16 and 28 is hard..

16 is really the only one that troubled me. It took the majority of the time I spent on the game. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "none88yoo" <none88yoo@...> wrote: > > yeah.. it's so funny :) > > this game end, level 30.. > > about 4hours... Master this game .. > > > LEVEL 16 and 28 is hard.. >

Hi, I have a question for the mathy people here. I just learned that the commutator subgroup of a group G (denoted by [G,G]) is normal in G, and that G/[G,G], called the abelianization of G, is an abelian group. However, I can't seem to find any more information about this in the book I'm using. So I'm curious: What is the abelianization of the Cube Group? What product of cyclic groups is it isomorphic to? Does its structure tell us anything interesting about the Cube Group? Thanks in advance, Macky

Hello, i've decided to learn the roux - method. Since im an absolute newbie, it's very difficult for me to do the first two blocks "intuitive". For exampple, when i make CE-Pair where one of the two cubies is flipped, i often don't see, how two flip it back. My question is: Is there any page with algorithms especially for the first two blocks (F2B??) or pair building? Or maybe there are some subsets of algorithms from other methods i can use? I think, it have to be algs wich make much use of M/M' moves? Sorry for my bad english.... Thanks, Lupo

It is just ZEE TV. (NOT ZEE CINEMA, NOT ZEE CAFE etc). The name of the programme is SHABASH INDIA. The time is 22.30 to 23.00 hours on wednesday(21st june) Indian Standard time. I am sorry, if this message reaches you late. J.Bernett Orlando christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: What is the name of the program will you be on? I'm calculating that it will be on DISH network TV at 6AM Thursday (Eastern Daylight Time). Just want to make sure the right program. They have three different Zee TV channels. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > I am appearing in Zee TV on 21st June(wednesday) for cubing from 10.30 pm to 11.30 pm Indian Standard Time. > If you get a chance, plz watch me and excercise your VOTE FOR ME. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger Download now > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lupo7669" <mczerberus0815@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > i've decided to learn the roux - method. Since im an absolute newbie, > it's very difficult for me to do the first two blocks "intuitive". > For exampple, when i make CE-Pair where one of the two cubies is > flipped, i often don't see, how two flip it back. > > My question is: Is there any page with algorithms especially for the > first two blocks (F2B??) or pair building? > Or maybe there are some subsets of algorithms from other methods i can > use? I think, it have to be algs wich make much use of M/M' moves? > > Sorry for my bad english.... > Thanks, > > Lupo > If you want to look at just pair-building, go to http://www.lar5.com/cube There's quite a few hints there, just when making the first block, don't do it by pairs, but two mini-blocks that are 1x1x3. Those would be Edge-Center-Edge and Corner-Edge- Corner.

Can anyone tape this, or record it somehow? I'd like to see it too. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > It is just ZEE TV. (NOT ZEE CINEMA, NOT ZEE CAFE etc). The name of the programme is SHABASH INDIA. The time is 22.30 to 23.00 hours on wednesday(21st june) Indian Standard time. > I am sorry, if this message reaches you late. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > What is the name of the program will you be on? I'm calculating > that it will be on DISH network TV at 6AM Thursday (Eastern Daylight > Time). Just want to make sure the right program. They have three > different Zee TV channels. > > Chris

The commutator subgroup has been shown to contain half of the elements of the whole cube group - that half for which the corner permutation is an even permutation (ignoring orientation). (Since the edge permutation and corner permutation must have the same parity, the same could be said with regards to the edge permutation.) It is easy to show that if the corner permutation of an element of the cube group is odd, then it is not an element of the commutator subgroup, since all commutators must consist of an even number of quarter turns, and any position reached by an even number of quarter turns must be contain an even permutation of the corners. Since the commutator subgroup is half the size of G, G/[G,G] has two elements, and so it must be isormorphic to the cyclic group of 2, since any group of order 2 is isormphic to that group. - Bruce Norskog --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a question for the mathy people here. I just learned that the > commutator subgroup of a group G (denoted by [G,G]) is normal in G, > and that G/[G,G], called the abelianization of G, is an abelian group. > However, I can't seem to find any more information about this in the > book I'm using. > > So I'm curious: > What is the abelianization of the Cube Group? What product of cyclic > groups is it isomorphic to? Does its structure tell us anything > interesting about the Cube Group? > > Thanks in advance, > Macky >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lupo7669" <mczerberus0815@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > i've decided to learn the roux - method. Since im an absolute newbie, > it's very difficult for me to do the first two blocks "intuitive". > For exampple, when i make CE-Pair where one of the two cubies is > flipped, i often don't see, how two flip it back. > > My question is: Is there any page with algorithms especially for the > first two blocks (F2B??) or pair building? Many times, I thought about writing more about block building for this method. But it's difficult. It's like for F2L cases. Only the basic ones (the ones with the pieces not in unwanted slot) are not enough if you want to master the technique, you need intuition (i.e. a huge personal practical experience) to find the shortcuts and anticipation possibilities that make you fast. I may upload a series of examples like this one: http://grrroux.free.fr/democomp4.avi Gilles. > Or maybe there are some subsets of algorithms from other methods i can > use? I think, it have to be algs wich make much use of M/M' moves? > > Sorry for my bad english.... > Thanks, > > Lupo >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a question for the mathy people here. I just learned that the > commutator subgroup of a group G (denoted by [G,G]) is normal in G, > and that G/[G,G], called the abelianization of G, is an abelian group. > However, I can't seem to find any more information about this in the > book I'm using. Maybe it wants you to try to discover things! (Also [G,G] is called the derived subgroup.) > > So I'm curious: > What is the abelianization of the Cube Group? It's pretty clear you can do a three cycle as a commutator. e.g. (a b)(e f)(a c d)(a b)(e f)(a d c)=(a d b) (if you read your permutations left to right, or (a b c) if you read right to left). OK, I didn't need the (e f) here, but read on and you'll see why I stuck it in. Similarly you can flip twist 2 pieces: flip/twist a,b (a b c) flip/twist^{-1} a,b (a c b) A_n is generated by 3-cycles and the orientation group by flipping/twisting 2 pieces. Hence any such product of moves is in [G,G]. But if H is the subgroup generated by such moves (3-cycles and orientations), then G=<H,{U}>=H U H*{U} and H<=[G,G]. Now U isn't in H as it induces an odd permutation on corners (and on edges) whereas any element of H of necessity induces an even permutation. So G:H=2 and since U isn't in [G,G] either (because elements of [G,G]] also induce even permutations) then H<=[G,G]<G. So also [G:G]=2 and H={G,G]. Whence G:[G,G]=2 (so, if you didn't already know it, [G,G] is necessarily normal in G as any subgroup of index 2 is normal. (Of course [G,G] is always normal, for any group G which i a simple consequence of xaba^{-1}b^{-1}x^{-1}=(xax^{-1})(xbx^{-1})(xax^{-1})^{-1}(xbx^{-1})^{-1}) but the above is a different proof for the present group. In fact, [G,G] is ) So G/[G:G] is isomorphic to C_2. OK. So what can we take from this in the cube group. Well, above we in fact also showed G'=[G,G] satisfies G'=[G',G'] (that's why I stuck the (e f) in because (a b)(e f) is in G'). So G' is its own derived subgroup. So G is not a soluble group - of course, this is obvious since S_5 is (isomorphic to) a subgroup of G. > What product of cyclic > groups is it isomorphic to? Does its structure tell us anything > interesting about the Cube Group? > > Thanks in advance, > Macky >

It's the kind of thing you should learn how to do and get used to. If you find your own way of doing things you don't have to learn a full set of algorithms and this way, you understand how things work so you can do them easily. Over time, you will be glad that you took this path. That said, it'd be nice to have a complete F2B algorithm set :) (To my knowledge, one doesn't exist) ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "lupo7669" <mczerberus0815@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > i've decided to learn the roux - method. Since im an absolute newbie, > it's very difficult for me to do the first two blocks "intuitive". > For exampple, when i make CE-Pair where one of the two cubies is > flipped, i often don't see, how two flip it back. > > My question is: Is there any page with algorithms especially for the > first two blocks (F2B??) or pair building? > Or maybe there are some subsets of algorithms from other methods i can > use? I think, it have to be algs wich make much use of M/M' moves? > > Sorry for my bad english.... > Thanks, > > Lupo >

This one is from Australia, actually from last year. My brother worked on the animation for it, and somehow managed to fit in a Rubik's Cube: http://www.heiseman.com/ The 3rd link, called "Infusion Video Clip". -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

The Zee TV channel is broadcast on Dish network here in the U.S. (Actually all 3 Zee TV channels are on there). I have a friend who is going to record the time slot. However, if you look on the U.S. site for Zee TV, it only shows "NEWS" as the program for 10:30pm. So I don't know if the U.S. schedule is different from the one that runs in India. I let him know the name of the show (SHABASH INDIA). If he gets me a tape or disc of it, I will make it available online for you guys. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Can anyone tape this, or record it somehow? I'd like to see it too. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis > <pjlmem@> wrote: > > > > It is just ZEE TV. (NOT ZEE CINEMA, NOT ZEE CAFE etc). The name of > the programme is SHABASH INDIA. The time is 22.30 to 23.00 hours on > wednesday(21st june) Indian Standard time. > > I am sorry, if this message reaches you late. > > > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > > christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > What is the name of the program will you be on? I'm > calculating > > that it will be on DISH network TV at 6AM Thursday (Eastern > Daylight > > Time). Just want to make sure the right program. They have three > > different Zee TV channels. > > > > Chris >

Hi, Bruce and GoD2. Thank you for your replies. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > It is easy to > show that if the corner permutation of an element of the cube group is > odd, then it is not an element of the commutator subgroup, since all > commutators must consist of an even number of quarter turns, and any > position reached by an even number of quarter turns must be contain an > even permutation of the corners. Ok, that makes sense. And all elements with even permutation can be written as a product of 3-cycles and 2-piece orientations, both of which are commutators (as shown in GoD2's reply). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > A_n is generated by 3-cycles and the orientation group by flipping/twisting 2 > pieces. > Hence any such product of moves is in [G,G]. > But if H is the subgroup generated by such moves (3-cycles and orientations), > then > G=<H,{U}>=H U H*{U} and H<=[G,G]. > Now U isn't in H as it induces an odd permutation on corners (and on edges) > whereas any > element of H of necessity induces an even permutation. > So G:H=2 and since U isn't in [G,G] either (because elements of [G,G]] also > induce even > permutations) then H<=[G,G]<G. > So also [G:G]=2 and H={G,G]. > Whence G:[G,G]=2 I'm a bit lost on the notation here. What is H*? In the second line from bottom, what is meant by [G:G]=2? Is this essentially the same as the following argument? If we define f from [G,G] into G-[G,G] by f(x)=xU, then f is bijective, so [G,G] and G-[G,G] are of the same order. Hence G:[G,G]=2. > (so, if you didn't already know it, [G,G] is necessarily normal > in G as any > subgroup of index 2 is normal. I also just proved this. > (Of course [G,G] is always normal, for any group G which i a simple consequence > of > xaba^{-1}b^{-1}x^{-1}=(xax^{-1})(xbx^{-1})(xax^{-1})^{-1}(xbx^{-1})^{-1}) but > the above > is a different proof for the present group. I've seen that proved by xaba^{-1}b^{-1}x^{-1}=[(xa)b(xa)^{-1}b^{-1}][bxb^{-1}x^{-1}], but I didn't know that it could be shown to equal a commutator rather than a product of commutators. Cool. > OK. So what can we take from this in the cube group. > Well, above we in fact also showed G'=[G,G] satisfies G'=[G',G'] (that's why I > stuck the (e f) > in because (a b)(e f) is in G'). So G' is its own derived subgroup. > So G is not a soluble group - of course, this is obvious since S_5 is > (isomorphic to) a > subgroup of G. I don't know what a soluble group is yet. I guess I'll keep on reading. Thanks so much for your help! Macky

On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 01:10:31AM +1000, Ryan Heise wrote: > This one is from Australia, actually from last year. My brother worked > on the animation for it, and somehow managed to fit in a Rubik's Cube: > > http://www.heiseman.com/ > > The 3rd link, called "Infusion Video Clip". A streaming version of the above is here: http://www.fearofdenim.net/ Click on "Natural" (this one should download more quickly). -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Grat! but... isn't that a pop? ;-) F. Ryan Heise a écrit : > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 01:10:31AM +1000, Ryan Heise wrote: > > This one is from Australia, actually from last year. My brother worked > > on the animation for it, and somehow managed to fit in a Rubik's Cube: > > > > http://www.heiseman.com/ <http://www.heiseman.com/> > > > > The 3rd link, called "Infusion Video Clip". > > A streaming version of the above is here: > > http://www.fearofdenim.net/ <http://www.fearofdenim.net/> > > Click on "Natural" (this one should download more quickly). > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ <http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hah !! That should mean it's POP-music .... hehehehe ... :-P -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François Sechet <frsechet@...> wrote: > > Grat! but... isn't that a pop? ;-) > F. > > Ryan Heise a écrit : > > > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 01:10:31AM +1000, Ryan Heise wrote: > > > This one is from Australia, actually from last year. My brother worked > > > on the animation for it, and somehow managed to fit in a Rubik's Cube: > > > > > > http://www.heiseman.com/ <http://www.heiseman.com/> > > > > > > The 3rd link, called "Infusion Video Clip". > > > > A streaming version of the above is here: > > > > http://www.fearofdenim.net/ <http://www.fearofdenim.net/> > > > > Click on "Natural" (this one should download more quickly). > > > > -- > > Ryan Heise > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ <http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hi, Bruce and GoD2. Thank you for your replies. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > <brnorsk@> wrote: > > It is easy to > > show that if the corner permutation of an element of the cube group is > > odd, then it is not an element of the commutator subgroup, since all > > commutators must consist of an even number of quarter turns, and any > > position reached by an even number of quarter turns must be contain an > > even permutation of the corners. > > Ok, that makes sense. And all elements with even permutation can > be written as a product of 3-cycles and 2-piece orientations, both > of which are commutators (as shown in GoD2's reply). > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > A_n is generated by 3-cycles and the orientation group by > flipping/twisting 2 > > pieces. > > Hence any such product of moves is in [G,G]. > > But if H is the subgroup generated by such moves (3-cycles and > orientations), > > then > > G=<H,{U}>=H U H*{U} and H<=[G,G]. > > Now U isn't in H as it induces an odd permutation on corners (and on > edges) > > whereas any > > element of H of necessity induces an even permutation. > > So G:H=2 and since U isn't in [G,G] either (because elements of > [G,G]] also > > induce even > > permutations) then H<=[G,G]<G. > > So also [G:G]=2 and H={G,G]. > > Whence G:[G,G]=2 > > I'm a bit lost on the notation here. What is H*? I was using * for the group operation. I could equally well have written H{U}, i.e. {hU:h in H} - it's just a coset of H. Given a group G and a subgroup H of G, G is a union of disjoint cosets of H. The cosets are all of the same cardinality. The index of H in G is the number of disjoint cosets. In this case, G is a union of the cosets H and H{U}. Then I go on to say that U isn't in H so in fact these are the disjoint cosets. Thus G:H=2. >In the second line > from bottom, what is meant by [G:G]=2? I meant to write G:[G,G]=2 and H=[G,G]. I guess I didn't really need to write "Whence G: [G,G]=2" since I'd already shown this. >Is this essentially the same > as the following argument? If we define f from [G,G] into G-[G,G] by > f(x)=xU, then f is bijective, so [G,G] and G-[G,G] are of the same > order. Hence G:[G,G]=2. > > > (so, if you didn't already know it, [G,G] is necessarily normal > > in G as any > > subgroup of index 2 is normal. > > I also just proved this. Essentially I guess you showed this. If G=G:H and h is in H, g in G then either g is in H so ghg^{-1} is in H or else g is not in H. In that case G=H U H{g^{-1}}. If ghg^{-1} is not in H then for some h' in H, ghg^{-1}=h'g^{-1} so g=hh'^{-1} is in H after all (thus actually ghg^{-1} must be in H). > > > (Of course [G,G] is always normal, for any group G which i a simple > consequence > > of > > > xaba^{-1}b^{-1}x^{-1}=(xax^{-1})(xbx^{-1})(xax^{-1})^{-1}(xbx^{-1})^{-1}) > but > > the above > > is a different proof for the present group. > > I've seen that proved by > xaba^{-1}b^{-1}x^{-1}=[(xa)b(xa)^{-1}b^{-1}][bxb^{-1}x^{-1}], > but I didn't know that it could be shown to equal a commutator > rather than a product of commutators. Cool. Moreover for any endomorphism of G, f, f(aba^{-1}b^{-1})=f(a)f(b)f(a)^{-1}f(b)^{-1} is a commutator. So [G,G] is a fully characteristic subgroup. > > > OK. So what can we take from this in the cube group. > > Well, above we in fact also showed G'=[G,G] satisfies G'=[G',G'] > (that's why I > > stuck the (e f) > > in because (a b)(e f) is in G'). So G' is its own derived subgroup. > > So G is not a soluble group - of course, this is obvious since S_5 is > > (isomorphic to) a > > subgroup of G. > > I don't know what a soluble group is yet. I guess I'll keep on reading. In the US its called a solvable group. Such a group is a group having a composition series whose factors are Abelian. A polynomial f over a field K is soluble by radicals iff the Galois group of f over K is soluble. I guess it's not really interesting here though, as the fact that G has a subgroup isomorphic to S_5 already shows this. Nonetheless, the fact that [G,G]=[[G,G],[G,G]] is interesting I guess. > > Thanks so much for your help! > Macky >

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Congratulations :) A cool cake, and a lovely bride :) Terje -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] På vegne av Daniel Hayes Sendt: 23. juni 2006 07:32 Til: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Emne: [Speed cubing group] Wedding Pictures Hey all, On June 9th, Lindsay and I got married. You may have met us both at the Dallas tournament. At any rate, I've been dieing to share groom's cake pictures with you: http://members. <http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20> cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(350).jpg http://members. <http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20> cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(351).jpg http://members. <http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20> cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(352).jpg http://members. <http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20> cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(463).jpg http://members. <http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20> cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(464).jpg http://members. <http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20> cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(465).jpg Enjoy! Daniel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Great! Congrats! So how did you eat the cake? Corners first or layer by layer? :P Sachin. On 6/23/06, Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@...> wrote: > Hey all, > On June 9th, Lindsay and I got married. You may have met us both at > the Dallas tournament. At any rate, I've been dieing to share groom's > cake pictures with you: > > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(350).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(351).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(352).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(463).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(464).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(465).jpg > > Enjoy! > Daniel > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Layer by layer may have been tough since most people do the bottom layer first ;) Though corners first may have been tricky too... Congratulations! Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sachin Shirwalkar" <sachinss@...> wrote: > > Great! > > Congrats! > > So how did you eat the cake? Corners first or layer by layer? :P > > Sachin. > > On 6/23/06, Daniel Hayes <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > Hey all, > > On June 9th, Lindsay and I got married. You may have met us both at > > the Dallas tournament. At any rate, I've been dieing to share groom's > > cake pictures with you: > > > > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(350).jpg > > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(351).jpg > > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(352).jpg > > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(463).jpg > > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(464).jpg > > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(465).jpg > > > > Enjoy! > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Anybody looking? A rather simple method to estimate the expected number of cubes solved at the end. R ----- Original Message ----- From: zbigniew_zborowski To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] 24 hour Group Marathon attempt Hello, Exactly in one week (Friday, June 23rd, 2006, 13:00 GMT) starts Polish 24 hour Group Marathon! Six speedcubers from Poland are going to beat all world records in this category. There will be online internet cameras and results updated every 15 minutes. Join us at speedcubing.com.pl! Choose Polish marathon (main menu at the left), then choose english - english version will appear. There are all necessary details. keep (speed)cubing ;) zz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Daniel, Nice pictures! Congratulations, I wish the both of you the best of luck ;). - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > Hey all, > On June 9th, Lindsay and I got married. You may have met us both at > the Dallas tournament. At any rate, I've been dieing to share groom's > cake pictures with you: > > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(350).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(351).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(352).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(463).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(464).jpg > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Lindsay%20(465).jpg > > Enjoy! > Daniel >

Thanks for all the kind words guys! The cake must've been layer by layer though, cause each one was a different flavor =P. Cheers, Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > Nice pictures! Congratulations, I wish the both of you the best of > luck ;). > > - Joël. >

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@...> wrote: > > http://www.grg.org/Adams/E.HTM > Sweden is on 46th place. :-D /Gunnar

Zbigniew Zborowski just did 3390 cubes in 24 hours. One of the other guys did 3355 and in total they did just under 16000 cubes (there were 6 of them). An amazing feat if you ask me :) Craig

An interesting detail: They both played very consistently in 21.5 hours with an average of about 35 cubes/quarter. Then suddenly, with 2.5 hours left, both got a slum and began solving 30 cubes/quarter. (Well, ZZ finished the last quarter with 40 cubes!). That means, had "the other" (Lukasz Cialon) had just a little more stamina, he could have won. R ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Bouchard To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] WR Broken Zbigniew Zborowski just did 3390 cubes in 24 hours. One of the other guys did 3355 and in total they did just under 16000 cubes (there were 6 of them). An amazing feat if you ask me :) Craig [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

*Cocks shotgun* Now hand over the new cubes before I do something I might regret..... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > i have guns. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > just point out who i have to kill for a new 5x5 and a 6x6 from > olympic cubes. seriously any updates from you boys in greece? we > can't take much more of this :) > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

I'm definitely very impressed at the consistency. When Brent Morgan did this, there wasn't anyone competing against him and he had broken the world record of 2000 by a lot already so there was no motivation to push anything because he had broken the record in a little over 12 hours. I think Andrew Kang of Georgia, USA wanted to try this. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Jun 24, 2006, at 7:20 AM, Rune Wesström wrote: > An interesting detail: They both played very consistently in 21.5 > hours with an average of about 35 cubes/quarter. Then suddenly, with > 2.5 hours left, both got a slum and began solving 30 cubes/quarter. > (Well, ZZ finished the last quarter with 40 cubes!). That means, had > "the other" (Lukasz Cialon) had just a little more stamina, he could > have won. > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Bouchard > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:25 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] WR Broken > > Zbigniew Zborowski just did 3390 cubes in 24 hours. One of the other > guys did 3355 and in total they did just under 16000 cubes (there were > 6 of them). An amazing feat if you ask me :) > > Craig > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

-Dear Gaetan, First of all, I would like to thank u for your interesting. We invented not only a 6x6x6 cube but we invented the NxNxN cube as u can see in our web page www.olympicube.com We promise that soon enough all the puzzle fans will have the opportynity to play with our cubes. Can u please explain me why do i have to communicate with your friend? If u have any thoughts i would like to discuss them with u directly. Hope to hear from u soon. With respect Konstantinos Verdes ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaétan Guimond To: Konstantinos Verdes Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: Re: new patent Hi Konstantinos, My poor english!!! Are you inventor of a cube 6x6x6? Your system or mechanics seems new for me. Does your cube is realized? he is smooth and stable? Give me a photo color of you and your cube. Amazing!!! I'm ok for your announce at the present but step 1 contact my friend inventor Gaston St-Pierre on my web site!:)) Gaétan Guimond Konstantinos Verdes <info@...> wrote: Dear Gaetan, We send u this to inform u for our work because u are a cube specialist! (see attached files) The first picture is a photo of our patent as it published in the monthly magazine of O.B.I (Industrial Property Organization of Greece) in the issue of May 2004. Anyone can see this if he goes to http://www.obi.gr/online/edbi.asp and he has a good knowledge of Greek language. The second one is the translation of our patent summary as it is registered in the International Bureau of WIPO(World Intelectual Property Organization) the last month. Can u announce this news on your web site? Hope to hear from u soon! www.olympicube.com Dear Gaetan, http://www.youtube.com/watchv=NG8mvqtWEAw&mode=related&search=Eastwoo d -- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "l3a1r0g" <l3a1r0g@...> wrote: > > *Cocks shotgun* > Now hand over the new cubes before I do something I might regret..... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > i have guns. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > > > just point out who i have to kill for a new 5x5 and a 6x6 from > > olympic cubes. seriously any updates from you boys in greece? we > > can't take much more of this :) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

This is just amazing... How many people were involved ? (counting scramblers, people who followed each cuber to know how many cube the solved, people getting the food,....) COngratulations to all of you :-) Gilles.be --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Zbigniew Zborowski just did 3390 cubes in 24 hours. One of the other > guys did 3355 and in total they did just under 16000 cubes (there were > 6 of them). An amazing feat if you ask me :) > > Craig >

I am trying to lube up my rubik's cube(official standard cube). I went down to home depot and got some Silicon Spray. I disassembled the cube, applied the silicon to the inside faces of each piece and let dry for about 15 minutes. I put it back together and it doesn't seem any better than before. It almost seems like the pieces are set to close together for luberication to make a difference. I also have another cube, a non-official "Magic Cube" ... I followed the same process in lubricating that one, and it turns like a dream. The only problem with this one is that it was made cheaply, so instead of having all the inside faces, some of the faces are not there. This causes the cube to get stuck often when turning quickly. Anyone have any suggestions for my cube? I was thinking maybe I could sand the inner faces down a bit, but don't want to go ruining my cube.

Give it a few days to work the silicone in. Try doing a few hundred solves and see if it's any better. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Jorgenson" <rjorgy@...> wrote: > > I am trying to lube up my rubik's cube(official standard cube). I went > down to home depot and got some Silicon Spray. I disassembled the > cube, applied the silicon to the inside faces of each piece and let > dry for about 15 minutes. I put it back together and it doesn't seem > any better than before. It almost seems like the pieces are set to > close together for luberication to make a difference. I also have > another cube, a non-official "Magic Cube" ... I followed the same > process in lubricating that one, and it turns like a dream. The only > problem with this one is that it was made cheaply, so instead of > having all the inside faces, some of the faces are not there. This > causes the cube to get stuck often when turning quickly. > > Anyone have any suggestions for my cube? I was thinking maybe I could > sand the inner faces down a bit, but don't want to go ruining my cube. >

Hello !! I've been cubing for quite a while. Recently, I decided that solving the cube isn't enough, and I want to get faster... I'm using the petrus method. But I complete the last layer using only Sune, and Niklas with a bit of my own variation. I have been able to solve the cube about 50+ seconds on a good run. And on very bad runs, nearly 90 secs. I average about 68 secs. I was wondering if I should change and start using the fridrich method instead. What is a good choice if I want to get sub 30s ? Is it easier to get there with the fridrich method? or the Petrus method? Which way completes the F2L faster? Any advice? Thanks ! Chern Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

did you loosen the cube first? makes a huge difference... pry off the caps... somehow... and then take the screws and loosen them a little bit or something. i wouldn't know; i used a diy kit, so i had everythign disassembled to begin with. i remember my friend got a rubik's cube (anniversary? i'm not sure) and actually took it apart to find that the screws were flat and couldn't be turned with a screwdriver. if you loosen the cube even without lube it turns pretty well. and it doesn't catch very much when you're moving it. good luck, tony --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Jorgenson" <rjorgy@...> wrote: > > I am trying to lube up my rubik's cube(official standard cube). I went > down to home depot and got some Silicon Spray. I disassembled the > cube, applied the silicon to the inside faces of each piece and let > dry for about 15 minutes. I put it back together and it doesn't seem > any better than before. It almost seems like the pieces are set to > close together for luberication to make a difference. I also have > another cube, a non-official "Magic Cube" ... I followed the same > process in lubricating that one, and it turns like a dream. The only > problem with this one is that it was made cheaply, so instead of > having all the inside faces, some of the faces are not there. This > causes the cube to get stuck often when turning quickly. > > Anyone have any suggestions for my cube? I was thinking maybe I could > sand the inner faces down a bit, but don't want to go ruining my cube. >

It's actually been about a week since I lubed it up, I have solved at least 100 times if not more. I tried prying off the end caps too, but they wouldn't budge. I think they might be glued down. Any other suggestions? Or should I just get a DIY cube and save myself some trouble? On 6/24/06, tonycheese2007 <tonycheese@...> wrote: > > did you loosen the cube first? makes a huge difference... pry off the > caps... somehow... and then take the screws and loosen them a little > bit or something. i wouldn't know; i used a diy kit, so i had > everythign disassembled to begin with. i remember my friend got a > rubik's cube (anniversary? i'm not sure) and actually took it apart to > find that the screws were flat and couldn't be turned with a screwdriver. > > if you loosen the cube even without lube it turns pretty well. and it > doesn't catch very much when you're moving it. > > good luck, > tony > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com&su=Unsubscribe>, > "Robert Jorgenson" > <rjorgy@...> wrote: > > > > I am trying to lube up my rubik's cube(official standard cube). I went > > down to home depot and got some Silicon Spray. I disassembled the > > cube, applied the silicon to the inside faces of each piece and let > > dry for about 15 minutes. I put it back together and it doesn't seem > > any better than before. It almost seems like the pieces are set to > > close together for luberication to make a difference. I also have > > another cube, a non-official "Magic Cube" ... I followed the same > > process in lubricating that one, and it turns like a dream. The only > > problem with this one is that it was made cheaply, so instead of > > having all the inside faces, some of the faces are not there. This > > causes the cube to get stuck often when turning quickly. > > > > Anyone have any suggestions for my cube? I was thinking maybe I could > > sand the inner faces down a bit, but don't want to go ruining my cube. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Yee Chern Ng <chern_ny_nrehc@...> wrote: > > Hello !! > > I've been cubing for quite a while. Recently, I decided that solving the cube isn't enough, and I want to get faster... > > I'm using the petrus method. But I complete the last layer using only Sune, and Niklas with a bit of my own variation. > > I have been able to solve the cube about 50+ seconds on a good run. And on very bad runs, nearly 90 secs. I average about 68 secs. > > I was wondering if I should change and start using the fridrich method instead. What is a good choice if I want to get sub 30s ? Is it easier to get there with the fridrich method? or the Petrus method? Which way completes the F2L faster? Any advice? > > Thanks ! > > Chern > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hello, With Petrus you can definately get sub-30. Just practice F2L and learn 3-look LL, and later maybe 2-look. It's hard to say which method is easier, but I would say it's better for you to continue using Petrus because you already know it. I think Petrus should be faster (but a lot harder) for F2L, but I don't know. - Johannes Laire

Okay you probably have a normal rubiks.com cube. That means you can't do anything with screws, since there aren't any. Your only choice is to, I've read, is to stretch out each center and put two lollipop sticks inbetween the axle and the center. I haven't tried it myself, though. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pablo <rjorgy@...> wrote: > > It's actually been about a week since I lubed it up, I have solved at least > 100 times if not more. I tried prying off the end caps too, but they > wouldn't budge. I think they might be glued down. Any other suggestions? Or > should I just get a DIY cube and save myself some trouble? > > On 6/24/06, tonycheese2007 <tonycheese@...> wrote: > > > > did you loosen the cube first? makes a huge difference... pry off the > > caps... somehow... and then take the screws and loosen them a little > > bit or something. i wouldn't know; i used a diy kit, so i had > > everythign disassembled to begin with. i remember my friend got a > > rubik's cube (anniversary? i'm not sure) and actually took it apart to > > find that the screws were flat and couldn't be turned with a screwdriver. > > > > if you loosen the cube even without lube it turns pretty well. and it > > doesn't catch very much when you're moving it. > > > > good luck, > > tony > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<https://mail.google.com/mail? view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com&su=Unsubscribe>, > > "Robert Jorgenson" > > <rjorgy@> wrote: > > > > > > I am trying to lube up my rubik's cube(official standard cube). I went > > > down to home depot and got some Silicon Spray. I disassembled the > > > cube, applied the silicon to the inside faces of each piece and let > > > dry for about 15 minutes. I put it back together and it doesn't seem > > > any better than before. It almost seems like the pieces are set to > > > close together for luberication to make a difference. I also have > > > another cube, a non-official "Magic Cube" ... I followed the same > > > process in lubricating that one, and it turns like a dream. The only > > > problem with this one is that it was made cheaply, so instead of > > > having all the inside faces, some of the faces are not there. This > > > causes the cube to get stuck often when turning quickly. > > > > > > Anyone have any suggestions for my cube? I was thinking maybe I could > > > sand the inner faces down a bit, but don't want to go ruining my cube. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

That suggestion sounds terribly off the wall LOL, has anyone does this? Are there directions anywhere? Will sanding the sides down not work? It's sounding like my best option is to turn this cube into a calendar or something and get a new one LOL Any other thoughts? I'm anxious to get my time below the minute and a half mark(best time so far is 1:51. On 6/25/06, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Okay you probably have a normal rubiks.com cube. That means you > can't do anything with screws, since there aren't any. Your only > choice is to, I've read, is to stretch out each center and put two > lollipop sticks inbetween the axle and the center. I haven't tried > it myself, though. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Pablo <rjorgy@...> > > wrote: > > > > It's actually been about a week since I lubed it up, I have solved > at least > > 100 times if not more. I tried prying off the end caps too, but > they > > wouldn't budge. I think they might be glued down. Any other > suggestions? Or > > should I just get a DIY cube and save myself some trouble? > > > > On 6/24/06, tonycheese2007 <tonycheese@...> wrote: > > > > > > did you loosen the cube first? makes a huge difference... pry > off the > > > caps... somehow... and then take the screws and loosen them a > little > > > bit or something. i wouldn't know; i used a diy kit, so i had > > > everythign disassembled to begin with. i remember my friend got a > > > rubik's cube (anniversary? i'm not sure) and actually took it > apart to > > > find that the screws were flat and couldn't be turned with a > screwdriver. > > > > > > if you loosen the cube even without lube it turns pretty well. > and it > > > doesn't catch very much when you're moving it. > > > > > > good luck, > > > tony > > > > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <https://mail.google.com/mail? > view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube% > 40yahoogroups.com&su=Unsubscribe>, > > > > "Robert Jorgenson" > > > <rjorgy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am trying to lube up my rubik's cube(official standard > cube). I went > > > > down to home depot and got some Silicon Spray. I disassembled > the > > > > cube, applied the silicon to the inside faces of each piece > and let > > > > dry for about 15 minutes. I put it back together and it > doesn't seem > > > > any better than before. It almost seems like the pieces are > set to > > > > close together for luberication to make a difference. I also > have > > > > another cube, a non-official "Magic Cube" ... I followed the > same > > > > process in lubricating that one, and it turns like a dream. > The only > > > > problem with this one is that it was made cheaply, so instead > of > > > > having all the inside faces, some of the faces are not there. > This > > > > causes the cube to get stuck often when turning quickly. > > > > > > > > Anyone have any suggestions for my cube? I was thinking maybe > I could > > > > sand the inner faces down a bit, but don't want to go ruining > my cube. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I find what works the best in the end is just good old fashion breaking in. Just continue using the cube, preferably without lube, and it will eventually become a very good cube. Yes it can be a long and tedious process, but I generally find that it is worth it. -Evan Until next time, Happy Cubing http://www.deepcube.net On 6/25/06, Pablo <rjorgy@...> wrote: > > That suggestion sounds terribly off the wall LOL, has anyone does this? > Are > there directions anywhere? Will sanding the sides down not work? It's > sounding like my best option is to turn this cube into a calendar or > something and get a new one LOL Any other thoughts? I'm anxious to get my > time below the minute and a half mark(best time so far is 1:51. > > > On 6/25/06, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@... <linkpoke%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > Okay you probably have a normal rubiks.com cube. That means you > > can't do anything with screws, since there aren't any. Your only > > choice is to, I've read, is to stretch out each center and put two > > lollipop sticks inbetween the axle and the center. I haven't tried > > it myself, though. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > < > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com > >, > > > Pablo <rjorgy@...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > It's actually been about a week since I lubed it up, I have solved > > at least > > > 100 times if not more. I tried prying off the end caps too, but > > they > > > wouldn't budge. I think they might be glued down. Any other > > suggestions? Or > > > should I just get a DIY cube and save myself some trouble? > > > > > > On 6/24/06, tonycheese2007 <tonycheese@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > did you loosen the cube first? makes a huge difference... pry > > off the > > > > caps... somehow... and then take the screws and loosen them a > > little > > > > bit or something. i wouldn't know; i used a diy kit, so i had > > > > everythign disassembled to begin with. i remember my friend got a > > > > rubik's cube (anniversary? i'm not sure) and actually took it > > apart to > > > > find that the screws were flat and couldn't be turned with a > > screwdriver. > > > > > > > > if you loosen the cube even without lube it turns pretty well. > > and it > > > > doesn't catch very much when you're moving it. > > > > > > > > good luck, > > > > tony > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > < > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com > > > > <https://mail.google.com/mail? > > view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube% > > 40yahoogroups.com&su=Unsubscribe>, > > > > > > "Robert Jorgenson" > > > > <rjorgy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to lube up my rubik's cube(official standard > > cube). I went > > > > > down to home depot and got some Silicon Spray. I disassembled > > the > > > > > cube, applied the silicon to the inside faces of each piece > > and let > > > > > dry for about 15 minutes. I put it back together and it > > doesn't seem > > > > > any better than before. It almost seems like the pieces are > > set to > > > > > close together for luberication to make a difference. I also > > have > > > > > another cube, a non-official "Magic Cube" ... I followed the > > same > > > > > process in lubricating that one, and it turns like a dream. > > The only > > > > > problem with this one is that it was made cheaply, so instead > > of > > > > > having all the inside faces, some of the faces are not there. > > This > > > > > causes the cube to get stuck often when turning quickly. > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any suggestions for my cube? I was thinking maybe > > I could > > > > > sand the inner faces down a bit, but don't want to go ruining > > my cube. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You can do this with *almost* any cube and make a good speedcube. It depends on how much patience you have. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" <evan.gates@...> wrote: > > I find what works the best in the end is just good old fashion breaking in. > Just continue using the cube, preferably without lube, and it will > eventually become a very good cube. Yes it can be a long and tedious > process, but I generally find that it is worth it. > > -Evan > > Until next time, Happy Cubing > http://www.deepcube.net > > > On 6/25/06, Pablo <rjorgy@...> wrote: > > > > That suggestion sounds terribly off the wall LOL, has anyone does this? > > Are > > there directions anywhere? Will sanding the sides down not work? It's > > sounding like my best option is to turn this cube into a calendar or > > something and get a new one LOL Any other thoughts? I'm anxious to get my > > time below the minute and a half mark(best time so far is 1:51. > > > > > > On 6/25/06, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@... <linkpoke%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Okay you probably have a normal rubiks.com cube. That means you > > > can't do anything with screws, since there aren't any. Your only > > > choice is to, I've read, is to stretch out each center and put two > > > lollipop sticks inbetween the axle and the center. I haven't tried > > > it myself, though. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > < > > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com > > >, > > > > > Pablo <rjorgy@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It's actually been about a week since I lubed it up, I have solved > > > at least > > > > 100 times if not more. I tried prying off the end caps too, but > > > they > > > > wouldn't budge. I think they might be glued down. Any other > > > suggestions? Or > > > > should I just get a DIY cube and save myself some trouble? > > > > > > > > On 6/24/06, tonycheese2007 <tonycheese@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > did you loosen the cube first? makes a huge difference... pry > > > off the > > > > > caps... somehow... and then take the screws and loosen them a > > > little > > > > > bit or something. i wouldn't know; i used a diy kit, so i had > > > > > everythign disassembled to begin with. i remember my friend got a > > > > > rubik's cube (anniversary? i'm not sure) and actually took it > > > apart to > > > > > find that the screws were flat and couldn't be turned with a > > > screwdriver. > > > > > > > > > > if you loosen the cube even without lube it turns pretty well. > > > and it > > > > > doesn't catch very much when you're moving it. > > > > > > > > > > good luck, > > > > > tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > < > > https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > <https://mail.google.com/mail? > > > view=cm&tf=0&to=speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > 40yahoogroups.com&su=Unsubscribe>, > > > > > > > > "Robert Jorgenson" > > > > > <rjorgy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to lube up my rubik's cube(official standard > > > cube). I went > > > > > > down to home depot and got some Silicon Spray. I disassembled > > > the > > > > > > cube, applied the silicon to the inside faces of each piece > > > and let > > > > > > dry for about 15 minutes. I put it back together and it > > > doesn't seem > > > > > > any better than before. It almost seems like the pieces are > > > set to > > > > > > close together for luberication to make a difference. I also > > > have > > > > > > another cube, a non-official "Magic Cube" ... I followed the > > > same > > > > > > process in lubricating that one, and it turns like a dream. > > > The only > > > > > > problem with this one is that it was made cheaply, so instead > > > of > > > > > > having all the inside faces, some of the faces are not there. > > > This > > > > > > causes the cube to get stuck often when turning quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any suggestions for my cube? I was thinking maybe > > > I could > > > > > > sand the inner faces down a bit, but don't want to go ruining > > > my cube. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hello, You can learn a corner first system too, or Gilles' method, both are quite easy to learn, and compare. With all three you can be sub30 or sub 20. Learn what you prefer.

Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities for edge perm cases on the square 1? -Ben.

if you can calculate on a 3x3, you can calculate on a square-1. just account for cases that have less (or more) symmetry. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities for edge perm > cases on the square 1? > > -Ben. >

I went to K-mart one day to buy some Legos to build models that look like the old pixelated 2D mario characters. I couldn't find any there so I decided to go look in different stores. On the way out of the store I saw a clearance rack and it had a puzzle called a K-Ball. I decided to buy it to see if I could solve it. I could only solve it twice, then I looked online for ways of doing it. I then remembered that when I was little I played with something called a Rubik's Cube and how people at school said that there were guides online for how to solve it so I looked it up and I was amazed at how fast people could solve it. So I saved some money and bought me one. So, without the cube I would have been into a different type of block- building.

man now that i think about it i dont really know how i got into it... i think one day i just got the urge to buy one because i had one when i was younger, i wanted to put my genius to the test because i had bought brain age the game for nintendo ds, and i think thats what did it, i solved it a couple times then i just got better and better, when it would usually take my about 15 minutes, by then i was absorbed by the cube and i looked online just to do general research, i say speed videos and instantly knew i wanted to be at that point, and i was then a speed cuber. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "athefre" <athefre@...> wrote: > > I went to K-mart one day to buy some Legos to build models that look > like the old pixelated 2D mario characters. I couldn't find any there > so I decided to go look in different stores. On the way out of the > store I saw a clearance rack and it had a puzzle called a K-Ball. I > decided to buy it to see if I could solve it. I could only solve it > twice, then I looked online for ways of doing it. I then remembered > that when I was little I played with something called a Rubik's Cube > and how people at school said that there were guides online for how to > solve it so I looked it up and I was amazed at how fast people could > solve it. So I saved some money and bought me one. > > So, without the cube I would have been into a different type of block- > building. >

I got a cube as part of an anniversary present from my girlfriend, because I had always wanted to use hers. Then we broke up 2 weeks later (go figure), so I didn't end up using the cube too much. My brother was incredibly bored at 2AM when he was home on fall break, so he looked it up online and became "good" at it (avg 3 minutes). I was impressed, so he decided to teach me on Christmas Day, when we were in the car driving to Ann Arbor to visit our relatives. I was fascinated by it and wanted to get faster... I looked it up online, ended up here, and now I average 45 seconds instead of 3 minutes... though I haven't been cubing much lately. Btw I got a new and much better girlfriend now, who coincidentially already knew how to solve a cube. David athefre <athefre@...> wrote: I went to K-mart one day to buy some Legos to build models that look like the old pixelated 2D mario characters. I couldn't find any there so I decided to go look in different stores. On the way out of the store I saw a clearance rack and it had a puzzle called a K-Ball. I decided to buy it to see if I could solve it. I could only solve it twice, then I looked online for ways of doing it. I then remembered that when I was little I played with something called a Rubik's Cube and how people at school said that there were guides online for how to solve it so I looked it up and I was amazed at how fast people could solve it. So I saved some money and bought me one. So, without the cube I would have been into a different type of block- building. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For me it was when I was reading a book on 4D theory that happened to mention a 4D Rubik's Cube. I though to myself "I've never solved a Rubik's cube, I should do that!" Went out and bought one, battled with it for about 7 hours straight and finally got it. Then I though to myself "There's got to be people who can do this in like under an hour somewhere." I looked it up on the internet and found Dan Knights's and Chris Hardwick's videos and immediately decided I HAD to learn to do that. As an interesting side note, about a year after I started speedcubing, I came across the 4D cube in the book and subsequently solved that, coming full circle. Google "Magic Cube 4D" to find it, they also now have a fully functional 5D cube I think. -Daniel

As a child, I had played with the Rubik's Cube, but the best I could do was solve one face. Once, while I was playing with it, a piece popped out, and I disassembled the whole thing, realizing how the mechanism worked. For some time afterwards, the way I would solve the cube would be to disassemble it and then reassemble it. One day in April 2004, when I was an 8th grader, I decided that I really wanted to learn how to solve a Rubik's Cube without disassembling it. So that night, I went on Google, and I typed in "Rubik's cube solution" into the search box. The first link returned was of course Lars Petrus's website. I read about the 1982 world championships, and I could not believe people could solve a Rubik's Cube so fast. So I read the terminology and basic concepts of the Rubik's Cube and then proceeded to spend half the night trying to follow along the explanations for each step and solve the cube. Many hours later, when I finally looked up at the clock and it read 4:00 AM, I was still stuck on step 4. Of course, that same day, I had school starting in about 4 hours, so I finally decided to call it a night and get some rest. When the weekend came, and upon revisiting Lars's site, I was finally able to get past step 4 and eventually solve the entire cube. I believe my first solve without looking at the solution guide was 15 minutes! I was so proud :). From then on, I have always been trying to improve my times, and the Petrus Method has become a part of me. -Anthony Hsu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I remember when I was three years old (this was, if I recall correctly, May 1995) and I saw a Rubik's Cube in my parents' room. At that time, I luckily got one face, not seeing that there were "corners" and "edges" instead of just the colored squares. Accidentally popped it, end of that story. Then, in September of last year, my friend started cubing, and I decided I'd give it a shot. He let me borrow his cube overnight and I wasn't content with solving two layers (which I figured out in about two weeks). Last layer I just used a 4LLL that took me two months (yes, bad long algorithms) to memorize. About after a week after that my dad got me my own cube. Then I started going for a faster method, like Petrus. Now I'm at my own variant of it averaging 30sec.

A few months ago I was living in Michigan with my friend, who learned how to solve a Rubik's cube a while before and, at the time, I was very impressed with his sub-5 minute solve time. I made him teach me, he was a horrible teacher(as am I) and I just ended up asking him where he learned and he pointed me to lar5.org/cube which was my main focus of attention for the next 2 days. When I finally gave up on the site I could do it as fast as him. At this point I had no clue about speedcubing or anything. I moved away and didn't have a Rubik's Cube anymore. I was in walmart about a month ago and saw one, I had to get it. My first solve out of the package was under 4 minutes which was my fastest time to date. After that I got more into the whole speedcubing thing and checked out some stuff online, found this site. I am currently trying to get a decent speedcubing cube, mine is horrible, it sticks and doesn't turn well. I still have a problem with the sides catching when I turn it, but I blame that more on myself that the cube :-P My best time to date is 1:51 with my crappy cube, but I am on my way! On 6/26/06, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: > > As a child, I had played with the Rubik's Cube, but the best I could do > was solve one face. Once, while I was playing with it, a piece popped out, > and I disassembled the whole thing, realizing how the mechanism worked. For > some time afterwards, the way I would solve the cube would be to disassemble > it and then reassemble it. > > One day in April 2004, when I was an 8th grader, I decided that I really > wanted to learn how to solve a Rubik's Cube without disassembling it. So > that night, I went on Google, and I typed in "Rubik's cube solution" into > the search box. The first link returned was of course Lars Petrus's website. > I read about the 1982 world championships, and I could not believe people > could solve a Rubik's Cube so fast. So I read the terminology and basic > concepts of the Rubik's Cube and then proceeded to spend half the night > trying to follow along the explanations for each step and solve the cube. > Many hours later, when I finally looked up at the clock and it read 4:00 AM, > I was still stuck on step 4. Of course, that same day, I had school starting > in about 4 hours, so I finally decided to call it a night and get some rest. > > When the weekend came, and upon revisiting Lars's site, I was finally able > to get past step 4 and eventually solve the entire cube. I believe my first > solve without looking at the solution guide was 15 minutes! I was so proud > :). From then on, I have always been trying to improve my times, and the > Petrus Method has become a part of me. > > -Anthony Hsu > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well I have a similar story to most, except my dad played a big part into it. He and I are so similar, we do everything the same. Or more so, I've just taken to doing everything he does, except have kids! So, it's been like 5 years now I suppose. Since I learned how to solve the cube. My dad always solved it, I could never solve it like him because it was an odd method. But like I said I learned LBL, his method was more similiar to Corners First I strived to get sub 5 sub 4 sub 3 sub 2 sub 1 I've been a sub 60s cuber for over two years now :) I'm now sub 30. I learned Fridrich f2l algs w/ cross on bottom January, I've shaved over 30s off my average since then. I'm now averaging 25s w/ a horrible LL. I can solve every cube now, from a 2x2x2 to a 5x5x5, I have (1) 2cube (2) Rubik's Cubes (1) DIY (2) 4 cubes (2) 5 cubes I just did my first successful BLD this week. I surpassed my dad ... sadly he doesn't cube much now :(

Long story short, I broke my foot and couldn't play football for the rest of the season, so I picked up a cube. It ended up making a good college entrance essay, which is below if you would like to read it. (Life Lessons)^3 The following began on the night of October 19th 2003. I was at my grandmother's house for my cousin's 17th birthday. The atmosphere was cheery, and the room was loud, as it often is when the whole family is together. Getting distracted from the event at hand, I decided to take part in a little sibling rivalry. My brother and I took turns on my grandmother's stationary bike, watching the RPM, seeing who could go faster. The bike had moving handlebars which could be used in place of the pedals, which of course led to a hands only competition. My brother pushed and pulled his way to 73 RPM; then it was my turn. I hopped on and started up. As my arms pumped like pistons, the RPM meter rose. The speed shot up to 20, 30, 40, 50 RPM and continued to rise up past 60, 70, 80 RPM. At 93 RPM, disaster struck. Due to the torque of my upper body as I fought with the handles, my bare right foot slipped, and fell into the path of the pedal. The pedal struck my heel and violently jammed my toes into the foot peg. A trip to the emergency room revealed a broken foot and broken hopes of playing football any more that season. To the untrained observer, this event may seem to be an act of stupidity followed by the deserved punishment. But Winston Churchill said, "The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." And perhaps Dale Carnegie put it better in his well known quotation "When fate hands you a lemon, make lemonade." In actuality, this event started me on my most intriguing journey to date. A day or two later, while surfing the web and chatting with friends, I came across a video of someone not only solving the Rubik's cube, but doing so in under 20 seconds. I have a profound interest in mathematics and computer science, so the idea of the world's greatest puzzle intrigued me, and I followed up by getting a Rubik's cube of my own. Sadly, I followed the path of most first time cubists, and got fed up with the cube after a couple of days. After a quick search on Google, I found a few simple and a few not-so-simple solutions to the Rubik's cube online. I added the sites to my favorites, and then went to sleep for the night. The next day was a school football game. Because I was confined to the bench for the rest of the season, I brought my cube along for the twelve hour journey. During this time I began to understand the basics of the Rubik's cube. I became highly proficient at following the directions on how to solve the cube. After a day or two more, I was solving the cube without the aid of an instruction sheet, taking about three minutes to do so. The addiction had begun. From that day until the present I have been on a never ending quest for speed, learning more algorithms (sets of moves which produce a desired effect on the Rubik's cube) and different solutions, working my way up. I have attended several official Rubik's cube competitions, including the 2004 US national championships, in which I placed 15th out of the 47 cubists who attended. Currently my personal best time is 17.63 seconds. Now as if one time and life consuming hobby isn't enough fun, try combining it with another. This was the basic theory behind my 2004 science project. I'm fanatical about the Rubik's cube, passionate about programming, and fervent about robotics. So what type of diabolical scheme can you come up with that combines all three? That's right, the world's fastest Rubik's cube solving robot. My inspiration came from another video I had recently seen. Originally, I was planning on building a robot with the same basic design as in the video, but I wasn't content with the speed, or lack thereof, at which this design solved the Rubik's cube, and I didn't want to be able to beat my own robot. So I went about designing something radically different and ended up with an 18 inch Plexiglas cube that looks like something out of Star Trek. The robot controlled my life for about two months, over the course of which I wrote the code for it, built it, and tuned it into a lean mean cube solving machine. It can now beat the current world record holder and averages only 11.46 seconds per solve. The robot took me to the California State Science Fair and led me to create my own website (www.deepcube.net). It is also unofficially the fastest cube solving robot in the world, as there has not yet been an official event for robots. In the end, I was able to turn a negative experience into a positive one. I set a goal for myself, pursued it, and enjoyed the journey as well as the destination. Although I have not become the fastest in the world, my robot has, and I can solve the Rubik's cube more quickly than I ever thought possible. Although Churchill and Carnegie provide timeless words of wisdom, perhaps the most memorable are the immortal words of my mother who has repeated time and time again, "Always wear shoes while using gym equipment." And there you have it. Until next time, Happy Cubing -Evan On 6/26/06, Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > Well I have a similar story to most, except my dad played a big part > into it. He and I are so similar, we do everything the same. Or more > so, I've just taken to doing everything he does, except have kids! > > So, it's been like 5 years now I suppose. Since I learned how to > solve the cube. > > My dad always solved it, I could never solve it like him because it > was an odd method. > > But like I said I learned LBL, his method was more similiar to Corners > First > > I strived to get sub 5 > sub 4 > sub 3 > sub 2 > sub 1 > I've been a sub 60s cuber for over two years now :) > I'm now sub 30. I learned Fridrich f2l algs w/ cross on bottom > January, I've shaved over 30s off my average since then. I'm now > averaging 25s w/ a horrible LL. I can solve every cube now, from a > 2x2x2 to a 5x5x5, I have (1) 2cube (2) Rubik's Cubes (1) DIY (2) 4 > cubes (2) 5 cubes > > I just did my first successful BLD this week. I surpassed my dad ... > sadly he doesn't cube much now :( > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

THAT ESSAY IS AMAZING!!! LOVE IT!!! Ok, well...for me...Its been 1 year, 25 days since I bought my first Rubik's Cube. First time I saw one was on the school bus about 4-5 days prior. These 2 girls were racing, and of course, as most people are, they were slow. And I was like, pssh, I can beat them. Then I asked one of them to teach me. So the one girl that lived near me agreed, and she taught me LBL. She was acutally REALLY good at teaching, and I guess I was a really good learner, because after about 15 minutes I could do Cross, corners, and I knew the alg to put in the edge pieces. This is when I realized I had a knack for this type of stuff. She only taught me a little bit more after this, so I went at lunch one day and bought my own cube. Everyone in my family still believes that my best friend gave it to me for my birthday, but no one needs to know that :) Let the addiction...BEGIN!!! So, once I learned how to solve it, and because of my competitive attitude (I'm really competitive) we had races on the bus. I quickly surpassed them, and I was on vacation at the end of July, and got my second sub-60 time, and then on August 9 I was surfing the internet and came across Dan Harris' Site. From there I was linked to all sorts of other peoples sites, and to here. Let the explosion...BEGIN!!! I looked at Fridrich and was like, ok, well, NOT learning that. So I stuck with my method, analyzing everything there was to analyze, and I became really efficient with that method, considering it was really slow. I knew all the tricks and everything to go as fast as I could, but I was just like, I want to average faster, because if people can do it in under 20, I know I can do that too, so that became my goal. Seeing as I am a HUGE procrastinator, I didn't learn any Fridrich for a while, until one day I decided to learn the algs for F2L. I only learned a few, that would work with my idea for a modified method. Basically, you solve cross, insert a corner in any way you want, then solve the corner and edge in one go, then do LL. At this point I still hadn't learned all of the 17 algs for 4LLL. So I was still slow, but once I learned those algs, my average dropped RAPIDLY (Withing about a week, maybe less) from 60ish to 40-43. I just kept practicing with this method. I got it into the mid-30s at one point, but I knew it couldn't get any faster, even with the cube I had, and my hand speed. The solution was taking 80+ moves on average. By this time I had been to WC, I had talked to everyone out there that there was to talk to, and I sat myself down and learned the 17 algs for 4LLL. And I switched to cross on bottom. I'd say now, my cross is the strongest point of my solve, partially thanks to Chris Hardwick for being my F2L mentor, but also thanks to Dan Harris' site. In mid-December, I asked Chris Hardwick if he would teach me Intuitive F2L (because enough people had yelled at me to not learn the algs) and so he agreed, and I learned SOOO Much from him. I learned F2L intuitively, and efficiently, in about 2 weeks. It took a little longer to perfect it, but in a little over a month, I was back to averaging what I used to, and not long afterwards, I was sub-30. So I'm sitting here wondering. How can I get faster? And then I decide, PLL. So, during my spare at school, I dub it my "Cubing Period" and that is when I am going to learn all things cubing, well, to say the least, didn't happen, I just cubed for over an hour :S. But I learned all 21 PLLs, and a few OLLs for cases that came up a lot, and brought my average slowly down. I hit a wall at about 22 seconds, but that first time you get sub-20 single solve is one of the best feelings ever, and when you hit the average, well, I think that IS the best feeling ever. So currently, I use Pure Fridrich, Intuitive F2L + 26 OLLs + 21 PLLs, and I am about to learn these OLLs, and that is where I stand today. Of course, as anyone I had my influences too, but they will remain anonymous :P If you read this, wow...:) Thanks, Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Gates" <evan.gates@...> wrote: > > Long story short, I broke my foot and couldn't play football for the rest of > the season, so I picked up a cube. It ended up making a good college > entrance essay, which is below if you would like to read it. > > > > > (Life Lessons)^3 > > > The following began on the night of October 19th 2003. I was at my > grandmother's house for my cousin's 17th birthday. The atmosphere was > cheery, and the room was loud, as it often is when the whole family is > together. Getting distracted from the event at hand, I decided to take part > in a little sibling rivalry. My brother and I took turns on my > grandmother's stationary bike, watching the RPM, seeing who could go faster. > The bike had moving handlebars which could be used in place of the pedals, > which of course led to a hands only competition. My brother pushed and > pulled his way to 73 RPM; then it was my turn. I hopped on and started up. > As my arms pumped like pistons, the RPM meter rose. The speed shot up to > 20, 30, 40, 50 RPM and continued to rise up past 60, 70, 80 RPM. At 93 RPM, > disaster struck. Due to the torque of my upper body as I fought with the > handles, my bare right foot slipped, and fell into the path of the pedal. The > pedal struck my heel and violently jammed my toes into the foot peg. > > A trip to the emergency room revealed a broken foot and broken > hopes of playing football any more that season. To the untrained observer, > this event may seem to be an act of stupidity followed by the deserved > punishment. But Winston Churchill said, "The pessimist sees difficulty in > every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." And > perhaps Dale Carnegie put it better in his well known quotation "When fate > hands you a lemon, make lemonade." In actuality, this event started me on > my most intriguing journey to date. > > A day or two later, while surfing the web and chatting with > friends, I came across a video of someone not only solving the Rubik's cube, > but doing so in under 20 seconds. I have a profound interest in mathematics > and computer science, so the idea of the world's greatest puzzle intrigued > me, and I followed up by getting a Rubik's cube of my own. Sadly, I > followed the path of most first time cubists, and got fed up with the cube > after a couple of days. After a quick search on Google, I found a few > simple and a few not-so-simple solutions to the Rubik's cube online. I > added the sites to my favorites, and then went to sleep for the night. > > The next day was a school football game. Because I was confined > to the bench for the rest of the season, I brought my cube along for the > twelve hour journey. During this time I began to understand the basics of > the Rubik's cube. I became highly proficient at following the directions on > how to solve the cube. After a day or two more, I was solving the cube > without the aid of an instruction sheet, taking about three minutes to do > so. The addiction had begun. > > From that day until the present I have been on a never ending > quest for speed, learning more algorithms (sets of moves which produce a > desired effect on the Rubik's cube) and different solutions, working my way > up. I have attended several official Rubik's cube competitions, including > the 2004 US national championships, in which I placed 15th out of the 47 > cubists who attended. Currently my personal best time is 17.63 seconds. > > Now as if one time and life consuming hobby isn't enough fun, > try combining it with another. This was the basic theory behind my 2004 > science project. I'm fanatical about the Rubik's cube, passionate about > programming, and fervent about robotics. So what type of diabolical scheme > can you come up with that combines all three? That's right, the world's > fastest Rubik's cube solving robot. My inspiration came from another video > I had recently seen. Originally, I was planning on building a robot with > the same basic design as in the video, but I wasn't content with the speed, > or lack thereof, at which this design solved the Rubik's cube, and I didn't > want to be able to beat my own robot. So I went about designing something > radically different and ended up with an 18 inch Plexiglas cube that looks > like something out of Star Trek. The robot controlled my life for about two > months, over the course of which I wrote the code for it, built it, and > tuned it into a lean mean cube solving machine. It can now beat the current > world record holder and averages only 11.46 seconds per solve. The robot > took me to the California State Science Fair and led me to create my own > website (www.deepcube.net). It is also unofficially the fastest cube > solving robot in the world, as there has not yet been an official event for > robots. > > In the end, I was able to turn a negative experience into a > positive one. I set a goal for myself, pursued it, and enjoyed the journey > as well as the destination. Although I have not become the fastest in the > world, my robot has, and I can solve the Rubik's cube more quickly than I > ever thought possible. Although Churchill and Carnegie provide timeless > words of wisdom, perhaps the most memorable are the immortal words of my > mother who has repeated time and time again, "Always wear shoes while using > gym equipment." > > > > > > And there you have it. > > > > Until next time, Happy Cubing > > -Evan > > > > On 6/26/06, Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > > > Well I have a similar story to most, except my dad played a big part > > into it. He and I are so similar, we do everything the same. Or more > > so, I've just taken to doing everything he does, except have kids! > > > > So, it's been like 5 years now I suppose. Since I learned how to > > solve the cube. > > > > My dad always solved it, I could never solve it like him because it > > was an odd method. > > > > But like I said I learned LBL, his method was more similiar to Corners > > First > > > > I strived to get sub 5 > > sub 4 > > sub 3 > > sub 2 > > sub 1 > > I've been a sub 60s cuber for over two years now :) > > I'm now sub 30. I learned Fridrich f2l algs w/ cross on bottom > > January, I've shaved over 30s off my average since then. I'm now > > averaging 25s w/ a horrible LL. I can solve every cube now, from a > > 2x2x2 to a 5x5x5, I have (1) 2cube (2) Rubik's Cubes (1) DIY (2) 4 > > cubes (2) 5 cubes > > > > I just did my first successful BLD this week. I surpassed my dad ... > > sadly he doesn't cube much now :( > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Well, I guess my addiction started when I was in 7th grade. My grandfather had a rubik's cube which he used to solve in india (never for speed, just for fun) and he started showing me a couple things. I didn't know much, so I just messed around with it for a long time. I ended up figuring out the first two layers without too much help. Then later I saw one of my friends doing it and asked him to show me how to solve it. By this time, being a carefree and absent-minded 7th grader, I had forgotten most of what I had learned, so I had to learn it all again. I learned a lot of it pretty fast, but my friend kept holding me back and kept teaching me this convoluted method which was, in hindsight, not really easy to understand. But after a couple of days, I could solve it no sweat. Of course, back then I was using a cheap dollar cube, and my best times were just under 2 minutes, which was pretty good for us back then (since no one in my school had ever even heard of speedcubing). I continued to solve it off and on until the end of the 8th grade, when unfortunately I had to move all the way across town, leaving everything. In my new school, things were totally different. My old school was very uncompetitive, and in fact in a pretty bad area in Houston. But my new school was in a more affluent and competitive area. So it was a complete change for me, going from a school where I never even had to try to get the best grades to a school where I had to actually pay attention to do okay. Anyways, during second semester in Geometry class, there was this one girl (who wasn't really that bright, no offense) who had a Rubik's cube. She showed the teacher who was really impressed and asked her to do it for the class. It took her about 100 seconds or so, and everyone was really, really impressed. Of course, I still knew how to do it, but wasn't that fast at the time. 10 minutes later I asked if I could give it a shot, since I used to know how to do it. So I was working on it, trying to remember how to do it, when after about 2 minutes she just grabbed it from me and said, "Here, let me finish it. You don't really know how to do it anyways." Now if you know me, you know that that will piss me off beyond a reasonable doubt. I was insanely pissed off that she thought I was incapable of doing it. Add to it the fact that I felt uncomfortable by the fact that I was in a new environment, and you have me ready to really show her up. So I went home and searched online for a fast cube solution. I finally found the Jeay's solutions, which ended up working pretty well for me. I relearned how to solve the cube, and was doing okay for a while. Then a couple days later, my dad showed me a video he found online. It was Chris Hardwick's 17.88 seconds solve. After seeing that, there was no turning back. My dad got me a real Rubik's cube (not the crappy Walgreens ones) and my addiction started. In about a month, I was around 40 seconds, having learned f2l and 4look. I have been cubing ever since (I'm about to go to college, do the math). Unfortunately, my progress has been abysmal. Since I really didn't have much time during school to cube (due to orchestra, schoolwork, and various other committments), I have only progressed to about 22 seconds. I would probably say that 10th grade onwards, I have only cubed for about 2 or 3 months seriously. I would do it randomly, but I never really had enough free time that I could just sit down and cube for hours on end (as I'd like to do). But I have found time to teach other people and have taught about 30 people to date (unfortunately, only a couple remember how to do it and even few have gone for speed). And it also did make for a great college essay (if you're interested, email me personally and I'll send it to you). Anyways, thanks for reading, and happy cubing. On 6/27/06, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > > THAT ESSAY IS AMAZING!!! LOVE IT!!! > > Ok, well...for me...Its been 1 year, 25 days since I bought my first > Rubik's Cube. First time I saw one was on the school bus about 4-5 > days prior. These 2 girls were racing, and of course, as most people > are, they were slow. And I was like, pssh, I can beat them. Then I > asked one of them to teach me. So the one girl that lived near me > agreed, and she taught me LBL. She was acutally REALLY good at > teaching, and I guess I was a really good learner, because after about > 15 minutes I could do Cross, corners, and I knew the alg to put in the > edge pieces. This is when I realized I had a knack for this type of > stuff. She only taught me a little bit more after this, so I went at > lunch one day and bought my own cube. Everyone in my family still > believes that my best friend gave it to me for my birthday, but no one > needs to know that :) Let the addiction...BEGIN!!! So, once I > learned how to solve it, and because of my competitive attitude (I'm > really competitive) we had races on the bus. I quickly surpassed > them, and I was on vacation at the end of July, and got my second > sub-60 time, and then on August 9 I was surfing the internet and came > across Dan Harris' Site. From there I was linked to all sorts of > other peoples sites, and to here. Let the explosion...BEGIN!!! I > looked at Fridrich and was like, ok, well, NOT learning that. So I > stuck with my method, analyzing everything there was to analyze, and I > became really efficient with that method, considering it was really > slow. I knew all the tricks and everything to go as fast as I could, > but I was just like, I want to average faster, because if people can > do it in under 20, I know I can do that too, so that became my goal. > Seeing as I am a HUGE procrastinator, I didn't learn any Fridrich for > a while, until one day I decided to learn the algs for F2L. I only > learned a few, that would work with my idea for a modified method. > Basically, you solve cross, insert a corner in any way you want, then > solve the corner and edge in one go, then do LL. At this point I > still hadn't learned all of the 17 algs for 4LLL. So I was still > slow, but once I learned those algs, my average dropped RAPIDLY > (Withing about a week, maybe less) from 60ish to 40-43. I just kept > practicing with this method. I got it into the mid-30s at one point, > but I knew it couldn't get any faster, even with the cube I had, and > my hand speed. The solution was taking 80+ moves on average. By this > time I had been to WC, I had talked to everyone out there that there > was to talk to, and I sat myself down and learned the 17 algs for > 4LLL. And I switched to cross on bottom. I'd say now, my cross is > the strongest point of my solve, partially thanks to Chris Hardwick > for being my F2L mentor, but also thanks to Dan Harris' site. In > mid-December, I asked Chris Hardwick if he would teach me Intuitive > F2L (because enough people had yelled at me to not learn the algs) and > so he agreed, and I learned SOOO Much from him. I learned F2L > intuitively, and efficiently, in about 2 weeks. It took a little > longer to perfect it, but in a little over a month, I was back to > averaging what I used to, and not long afterwards, I was sub-30. So > I'm sitting here wondering. How can I get faster? And then I decide, > PLL. So, during my spare at school, I dub it my "Cubing Period" and > that is when I am going to learn all things cubing, well, to say the > least, didn't happen, I just cubed for over an hour :S. But I learned > all 21 PLLs, and a few OLLs for cases that came up a lot, and brought > my average slowly down. I hit a wall at about 22 seconds, but that > first time you get sub-20 single solve is one of the best feelings > ever, and when you hit the average, well, I think that IS the best > feeling ever. So currently, I use Pure Fridrich, Intuitive F2L + 26 > OLLs + 21 PLLs, and I am about to learn these OLLs, and that is where > I stand today. Of course, as anyone I had my influences too, but they > will remain anonymous :P > > If you read this, wow...:) Thanks, > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Evan Gates" > > <evan.gates@...> wrote: > > > > Long story short, I broke my foot and couldn't play football for the > rest of > > the season, so I picked up a cube. It ended up making a good college > > entrance essay, which is below if you would like to read it. > > > > > > > > > > (Life Lessons)^3 > > > > > > The following began on the night of October 19th 2003. I was at my > > grandmother's house for my cousin's 17th birthday. The atmosphere was > > cheery, and the room was loud, as it often is when the whole family is > > together. Getting distracted from the event at hand, I decided to > take part > > in a little sibling rivalry. My brother and I took turns on my > > grandmother's stationary bike, watching the RPM, seeing who could go > faster. > > The bike had moving handlebars which could be used in place of the > pedals, > > which of course led to a hands only competition. My brother pushed and > > pulled his way to 73 RPM; then it was my turn. I hopped on and > started up. > > As my arms pumped like pistons, the RPM meter rose. The speed shot > up to > > 20, 30, 40, 50 RPM and continued to rise up past 60, 70, 80 RPM. At > 93 RPM, > > disaster struck. Due to the torque of my upper body as I fought > with the > > handles, my bare right foot slipped, and fell into the path of the > pedal. The > > pedal struck my heel and violently jammed my toes into the foot peg. > > > > A trip to the emergency room revealed a broken foot and > broken > > hopes of playing football any more that season. To the untrained > observer, > > this event may seem to be an act of stupidity followed by the deserved > > punishment. But Winston Churchill said, "The pessimist sees > difficulty in > > every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every > difficulty." And > > perhaps Dale Carnegie put it better in his well known quotation > "When fate > > hands you a lemon, make lemonade." In actuality, this event started > me on > > my most intriguing journey to date. > > > > A day or two later, while surfing the web and chatting with > > friends, I came across a video of someone not only solving the > Rubik's cube, > > but doing so in under 20 seconds. I have a profound interest in > mathematics > > and computer science, so the idea of the world's greatest puzzle > intrigued > > me, and I followed up by getting a Rubik's cube of my own. Sadly, I > > followed the path of most first time cubists, and got fed up with > the cube > > after a couple of days. After a quick search on Google, I found a few > > simple and a few not-so-simple solutions to the Rubik's cube online. I > > added the sites to my favorites, and then went to sleep for the night. > > > > The next day was a school football game. Because I was > confined > > to the bench for the rest of the season, I brought my cube along for the > > twelve hour journey. During this time I began to understand the > basics of > > the Rubik's cube. I became highly proficient at following the > directions on > > how to solve the cube. After a day or two more, I was solving the cube > > without the aid of an instruction sheet, taking about three minutes > to do > > so. The addiction had begun. > > > > From that day until the present I have been on a never > ending > > quest for speed, learning more algorithms (sets of moves which produce a > > desired effect on the Rubik's cube) and different solutions, working > my way > > up. I have attended several official Rubik's cube competitions, > including > > the 2004 US national championships, in which I placed 15th out of the 47 > > cubists who attended. Currently my personal best time is 17.63 seconds. > > > > Now as if one time and life consuming hobby isn't enough > fun, > > try combining it with another. This was the basic theory behind my 2004 > > science project. I'm fanatical about the Rubik's cube, passionate about > > programming, and fervent about robotics. So what type of diabolical > scheme > > can you come up with that combines all three? That's right, the world's > > fastest Rubik's cube solving robot. My inspiration came from > another video > > I had recently seen. Originally, I was planning on building a robot > with > > the same basic design as in the video, but I wasn't content with the > speed, > > or lack thereof, at which this design solved the Rubik's cube, and I > didn't > > want to be able to beat my own robot. So I went about designing > something > > radically different and ended up with an 18 inch Plexiglas cube that > looks > > like something out of Star Trek. The robot controlled my life for > about two > > months, over the course of which I wrote the code for it, built it, and > > tuned it into a lean mean cube solving machine. It can now beat the > current > > world record holder and averages only 11.46 seconds per solve. The > robot > > took me to the California State Science Fair and led me to create my own > > website (www.deepcube.net). It is also unofficially the fastest cube > > solving robot in the world, as there has not yet been an official > event for > > robots. > > > > In the end, I was able to turn a negative experience into a > > positive one. I set a goal for myself, pursued it, and enjoyed the > journey > > as well as the destination. Although I have not become the fastest > in the > > world, my robot has, and I can solve the Rubik's cube more quickly > than I > > ever thought possible. Although Churchill and Carnegie provide timeless > > words of wisdom, perhaps the most memorable are the immortal words of my > > mother who has repeated time and time again, "Always wear shoes > while using > > gym equipment." > > > > > > > > > > > > And there you have it. > > > > > > > > Until next time, Happy Cubing > > > > -Evan > > > > > > > > On 6/26/06, Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > > > > > Well I have a similar story to most, except my dad played a big > part > > > into it. He and I are so similar, we do everything the same. Or more > > > so, I've just taken to doing everything he does, except have kids! > > > > > > So, it's been like 5 years now I suppose. Since I learned how to > > > solve the cube. > > > > > > My dad always solved it, I could never solve it like him because it > > > was an odd method. > > > > > > But like I said I learned LBL, his method was more similiar to Corners > > > First > > > > > > I strived to get sub 5 > > > sub 4 > > > sub 3 > > > sub 2 > > > sub 1 > > > I've been a sub 60s cuber for over two years now :) > > > I'm now sub 30. I learned Fridrich f2l algs w/ cross on bottom > > > January, I've shaved over 30s off my average since then. I'm now > > > averaging 25s w/ a horrible LL. I can solve every cube now, from a > > > 2x2x2 to a 5x5x5, I have (1) 2cube (2) Rubik's Cubes (1) DIY (2) 4 > > > cubes (2) 5 cubes > > > > > > I just did my first successful BLD this week. I surpassed my dad ... > > > sadly he doesn't cube much now :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > -- -cubekid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi everyone, I'm floating on cloud 9 right now, and wanted to post about something that I've been doing that seems to work. Ever since I started, my predominant way to practice the cube is with the evolution algorithm. I get a stable way of solving, then I change one small thing and try it for a while and see what happens. If that small change works, I keep doing whatever it is I changed. If it doesn't work I stop doing it, and don't ever do it again. Well anyway, this is the main way I practice, and has been ever since I started cubing. What has me on cloud 9 is that I finally got sub-15 on average, and I did it using this practice method! I know sub-15 has been done many times, by many people. I also know that with sub-13 averages out now, sub-15 is not that great of a mile marker any more. Still I don't care, I never thought I would even make it this far! The small change I made to go from 15 to 14 was deep breathing. I figured that thinking this quickly would require your brain to be functioning at pretty high above normal. So what I did was to breath very deeply, and throughout the whole average I was hovering on the line between being dizzy from too much air, and just regular deep breathing. Well, it sounds weird, but it worked. I found myself able to focus just that little bit extra, eliminate some pauses between OLL and PLL, and just generally not lock up as much. I don't know if anyone here does deep breathing (think almost dizzy the whole time), but it worked for me, and I plan on keeping it by my whole evolution algorithm thing. I thought sub-15 was impossible, unless you were superhuman or a cubing robot, but apparently even a regular joe like me can get there. If you thought sub-15 was impossible, please trust me, if I can make it you certainly can. It took me 8 years to get here, but I finally did it! Here was the average, and no it was not a rolling average either: 13.93, (12.04), 15.04, 16.35, (17.30), 14.10, 16.64, 15.27, 14.44, 16.88, 13.33, 12.10 = 14.81 Thanks for listening to my rambling, and I really mean what I said - if I can do this anyone can, all it takes is practice. If you think it's impossible you'll never make it, which is what I think happened to me. Tell yourself you can do it, and you will. I'll get off my soapbox now, and as always happy cubing everyone! Chris

Am I going crazy or did Chris Hardwick just call himself an "Average Joe"? Ummm, I'm kinda at a loss for words right now...Sweet man. Haha, or maybe its just the fact that you put speedsolving on the top shelp for a while, and now that you brought it back down you look at it differently :p Haha, Ian... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm floating on cloud 9 right now, and wanted to post about something > that I've been doing that seems to work. > > Ever since I started, my predominant way to practice the cube is with > the evolution algorithm. I get a stable way of solving, then I change > one small thing and try it for a while and see what happens. If that > small change works, I keep doing whatever it is I changed. If it > doesn't work I stop doing it, and don't ever do it again. > > Well anyway, this is the main way I practice, and has been ever since > I started cubing. What has me on cloud 9 is that I finally got sub-15 > on average, and I did it using this practice method! > > I know sub-15 has been done many times, by many people. I also know > that with sub-13 averages out now, sub-15 is not that great of a mile > marker any more. Still I don't care, I never thought I would even > make it this far! > > The small change I made to go from 15 to 14 was deep breathing. > > I figured that thinking this quickly would require your brain to be > functioning at pretty high above normal. So what I did was to breath > very deeply, and throughout the whole average I was hovering on the > line between being dizzy from too much air, and just regular deep > breathing. Well, it sounds weird, but it worked. I found myself able > to focus just that little bit extra, eliminate some pauses between OLL > and PLL, and just generally not lock up as much. > > I don't know if anyone here does deep breathing (think almost dizzy > the whole time), but it worked for me, and I plan on keeping it by my > whole evolution algorithm thing. > > I thought sub-15 was impossible, unless you were superhuman or a > cubing robot, but apparently even a regular joe like me can get there. > > If you thought sub-15 was impossible, please trust me, if I can make > it you certainly can. It took me 8 years to get here, but I finally > did it! > > Here was the average, and no it was not a rolling average either: > 13.93, (12.04), 15.04, 16.35, (17.30), 14.10, 16.64, 15.27, 14.44, > 16.88, 13.33, 12.10 = 14.81 > > Thanks for listening to my rambling, and I really mean what I said - > if I can do this anyone can, all it takes is practice. If you think > it's impossible you'll never make it, which is what I think happened > to me. Tell yourself you can do it, and you will. > > I'll get off my soapbox now, and as always happy cubing everyone! > Chris >

hello may i just ask if anybody knows where could i download a rubik's cube timer?? thanks, it would be a great help for my speedcubing times. jb

hello may i just ask if anybody knows where could i download a rubik's cube timer?? thanks, it would be a great help for my speedcubing times. jb

hello may i just ask if anybody knows where could i download a rubik's cube timer?? thanks, it would be a great help for my speedcubing times. jb

Hello, I'm new to the group and have always wanted to solve rubik's cube. But after reading here I want to do it fast. I've been working the cross and F2L and I'm getting better at it. I need to work on LL now and need some suggestions on what method is good for a newbie. Also, where can you get these DIY cubes? Thanks, Mark

Hi Mark, First off, DIY kits can be bought from Rubiks.com. Here's a link: http://tinyurl.com/pv52z Secondly, LL. I'd recommend Jasmine's beginner solution at http://tinyurl.com/4owc9 That's a good place to get started. Hope this helps, Tim Reynolds --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "knotfinley" <knotfinley@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm new to the group and have always wanted to solve rubik's cube. > But after reading here I want to do it fast. I've been working the > cross and F2L and I'm getting better at it. I need to work on LL now > and need some suggestions on what method is good for a newbie. > > Also, where can you get these DIY cubes? > > Thanks, > Mark >

You can download JNetCube at: http://www.strangepuzzle.com/jnetcube.html Tim Reynolds --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ben41sbr2" <ben41sbr2@...> wrote: > > hello > > may i just ask if anybody knows where could i download a rubik's > cube timer?? thanks, it would be a great help for my speedcubing times. > > jb >

I downloaded JNetCube from strangepuzzle.com: http://www.strangepuzzle.com/jnetcube.html There are others out there, too. Check the links section of this group. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ben41sbr2" <ben41sbr2@...> wrote: > > hello > > may i just ask if anybody knows where could i download a rubik's > cube timer?? thanks, it would be a great help for my speedcubing times. > > jb >

Go to rubiks.com and click "Shop". Scroll down to the "DIY Kits" section. You want a 3x3 Assembly Cube. You can order them with or without stickers. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "knotfinley" <knotfinley@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm new to the group and have always wanted to solve rubik's cube. > But after reading here I want to do it fast. I've been working the > cross and F2L and I'm getting better at it. I need to work on LL now > and need some suggestions on what method is good for a newbie. > > Also, where can you get these DIY cubes? > > Thanks, > Mark >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > if you can calculate on a 3x3, you can calculate on a square-1. just > account for cases that have less (or more) symmetry. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@> > wrote: > > > > Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities for edge perm > > cases on the square 1? > > > > -Ben. > > > >From Lars Vandenburgh's site, the algorithms given (I believe incomplete) I calculated the probabilty for: Solved 1/484 1.1 1/121 1.2 1/242 2.1 1/242 2.2 1/484 2.3 1/121 2.4 1/121 3.1 1/484 3.2 1/484 3.3 1/242 4.1 4/121 4.2 2/121 4.3 1/121 5.1 2/121 5.2 1/121 5.3 4/121 5.4 4/121 5.5 1/121 5.6 1/242 5.7 2/121 5.8 2/121 6.1 1/121 6.2 1/121 6.3 2/121 6.4 1/242 6.5 1/242 6.6 1/121 7.1 1/121 7.2 1/242 7.3 2/121 7.4 2/121 7.5 1/484 7.6 1/121 7.7 1/121 7.8 4/121 7.9 4/121 7.10 4/121 Viola. -Tim

If you don't like memorization that much, stick with Petrus, or hell, try out some Heise method. http://www.ryanheise.com His method is similar to Petrus in the first couple of steps. Roux is not the best method to learn for beginners because of its incredible amount of intuition. On Petrus method, though, learn the Allan, Bruno, Eve, Bert, and Arne. Without them you won't really get that fast on the last layer. Additionally, don't follow some things he says; always break up the blocks if its faster on steps 1-2, and on step four, you can break up that new 1x2x2 block you made. Practice your 2x2x3 block; it's the most important part of your solve. -Tim

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > if you can calculate on a 3x3, you can calculate on a square-1. just > > account for cases that have less (or more) symmetry. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities for edge > perm > > > cases on the square 1? > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > From Lars Vandenburgh's site, the algorithms given (I believe > incomplete) I calculated the probabilty for: > > Solved 1/484 > > 1.1 1/121 > 1.2 1/242 > > 2.1 1/242 > 2.2 1/484 > 2.3 1/121 > 2.4 1/121 > > 3.1 1/484 > 3.2 1/484 > 3.3 1/242 > > 4.1 4/121 > 4.2 2/121 > 4.3 1/121 > > 5.1 2/121 > 5.2 1/121 > 5.3 4/121 > 5.4 4/121 > 5.5 1/121 > 5.6 1/242 > 5.7 2/121 > 5.8 2/121 > > 6.1 1/121 > 6.2 1/121 > 6.3 2/121 > 6.4 1/242 > 6.5 1/242 > 6.6 1/121 > > 7.1 1/121 > 7.2 1/242 > 7.3 2/121 > 7.4 2/121 > 7.5 1/484 > 7.6 1/121 > 7.7 1/121 > 7.8 4/121 > 7.9 4/121 > 7.10 4/121 > > Viola. > > -Tim > I think there should be 576 total cases. 4!*4! At least that's what I got. -Ben.

Hrm, that means I'm missing two cases in for example 4.3. :/ --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > if you can calculate on a 3x3, you can calculate on a square- 1. > just > > > account for cases that have less (or more) symmetry. > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > <grsbmd@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities for > edge > > perm > > > > cases on the square 1? > > > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > >From Lars Vandenburgh's site, the algorithms given (I believe > > incomplete) I calculated the probabilty for: > > > > Solved 1/484 > > > > 1.1 1/121 > > 1.2 1/242 > > > > 2.1 1/242 > > 2.2 1/484 > > 2.3 1/121 > > 2.4 1/121 > > > > 3.1 1/484 > > 3.2 1/484 > > 3.3 1/242 > > > > 4.1 4/121 > > 4.2 2/121 > > 4.3 1/121 > > > > 5.1 2/121 > > 5.2 1/121 > > 5.3 4/121 > > 5.4 4/121 > > 5.5 1/121 > > 5.6 1/242 > > 5.7 2/121 > > 5.8 2/121 > > > > 6.1 1/121 > > 6.2 1/121 > > 6.3 2/121 > > 6.4 1/242 > > 6.5 1/242 > > 6.6 1/121 > > > > 7.1 1/121 > > 7.2 1/242 > > 7.3 2/121 > > 7.4 2/121 > > 7.5 1/484 > > 7.6 1/121 > > 7.7 1/121 > > 7.8 4/121 > > 7.9 4/121 > > 7.10 4/121 > > > > Viola. > > > > -Tim > > > > > I think there should be 576 total cases. 4!*4! > At least that's what I got. > > -Ben. >

It is all much simpler than that: Solved case = 1/n H-perm = 1/n Z-perm = 2/n 3-cycle CW = 4/n 3-cycle CCW = 4/n Opposite swap = 2/n Diagonal swap = 4/n 4-cycle CW = 1/n 4-cycle CCW = 1/n 4-cycle Crazy = 2/n Total = 22/n = 1 so n = 22. You can have any case in the top or bottom layer, so to know a particular case, it is just prob(top) * prob(bottom). ie - H-perm top with Opposite swap bottom = 1/22 * 2/22 = 2/484. Ben: the 576 does not take into account the symmetries, I believe. ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Hrm, that means I'm missing two cases in for example 4.3. :/ > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > <grsbmd@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > <bob@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > if you can calculate on a 3x3, you can calculate on a square- > 1. > > just > > > > account for cases that have less (or more) symmetry. > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > > <grsbmd@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities for > > edge > > > perm > > > > > cases on the square 1? > > > > > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lars Vandenburgh's site, the algorithms given (I believe > > > incomplete) I calculated the probabilty for: > > > > > > Solved 1/484 > > > > > > 1.1 1/121 > > > 1.2 1/242 > > > > > > 2.1 1/242 > > > 2.2 1/484 > > > 2.3 1/121 > > > 2.4 1/121 > > > > > > 3.1 1/484 > > > 3.2 1/484 > > > 3.3 1/242 > > > > > > 4.1 4/121 > > > 4.2 2/121 > > > 4.3 1/121 > > > > > > 5.1 2/121 > > > 5.2 1/121 > > > 5.3 4/121 > > > 5.4 4/121 > > > 5.5 1/121 > > > 5.6 1/242 > > > 5.7 2/121 > > > 5.8 2/121 > > > > > > 6.1 1/121 > > > 6.2 1/121 > > > 6.3 2/121 > > > 6.4 1/242 > > > 6.5 1/242 > > > 6.6 1/121 > > > > > > 7.1 1/121 > > > 7.2 1/242 > > > 7.3 2/121 > > > 7.4 2/121 > > > 7.5 1/484 > > > 7.6 1/121 > > > 7.7 1/121 > > > 7.8 4/121 > > > 7.9 4/121 > > > 7.10 4/121 > > > > > > Viola. > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > I think there should be 576 total cases. 4!*4! > > At least that's what I got. > > > > -Ben. > > >

4-cycle crazy should have a probability of 4/n, otherwise that would imply an 11th case that was a mirror of 4-cycle crazy. I just got done being taken to school by Michael Fung about this on the other forums. You can check those if you're interested. -Ben. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > It is all much simpler than that: > > Solved case = 1/n > H-perm = 1/n > Z-perm = 2/n > 3-cycle CW = 4/n > 3-cycle CCW = 4/n > > Opposite swap = 2/n > Diagonal swap = 4/n > 4-cycle CW = 1/n > 4-cycle CCW = 1/n > 4-cycle Crazy = 2/n > > Total = 22/n = 1 so n = 22. > > You can have any case in the top or bottom layer, so to know a > particular case, it is just prob(top) * prob(bottom). > > ie - H-perm top with Opposite swap bottom = 1/22 * 2/22 = 2/484. > > Ben: the 576 does not take into account the symmetries, I believe. > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > Hrm, that means I'm missing two cases in for example 4.3. :/ > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > > <grsbmd@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > > <bob@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > if you can calculate on a 3x3, you can calculate on a square- > > 1. > > > just > > > > > account for cases that have less (or more) symmetry. > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > > > <grsbmd@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities for > > > edge > > > > perm > > > > > > cases on the square 1? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lars Vandenburgh's site, the algorithms given (I believe > > > > incomplete) I calculated the probabilty for: > > > > > > > > Solved 1/484 > > > > > > > > 1.1 1/121 > > > > 1.2 1/242 > > > > > > > > 2.1 1/242 > > > > 2.2 1/484 > > > > 2.3 1/121 > > > > 2.4 1/121 > > > > > > > > 3.1 1/484 > > > > 3.2 1/484 > > > > 3.3 1/242 > > > > > > > > 4.1 4/121 > > > > 4.2 2/121 > > > > 4.3 1/121 > > > > > > > > 5.1 2/121 > > > > 5.2 1/121 > > > > 5.3 4/121 > > > > 5.4 4/121 > > > > 5.5 1/121 > > > > 5.6 1/242 > > > > 5.7 2/121 > > > > 5.8 2/121 > > > > > > > > 6.1 1/121 > > > > 6.2 1/121 > > > > 6.3 2/121 > > > > 6.4 1/242 > > > > 6.5 1/242 > > > > 6.6 1/121 > > > > > > > > 7.1 1/121 > > > > 7.2 1/242 > > > > 7.3 2/121 > > > > 7.4 2/121 > > > > 7.5 1/484 > > > > 7.6 1/121 > > > > 7.7 1/121 > > > > 7.8 4/121 > > > > 7.9 4/121 > > > > 7.10 4/121 > > > > > > > > Viola. > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there should be 576 total cases. 4!*4! > > > At least that's what I got. > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > >

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I have recently started solving the cube..and i can solve it using a set of beginners algorithms .but i want to reduce my time and for that do i have to remember some 70-80 algorithms?How does one manage to do that especially if i were to remember all of jessica friedrich's algorithm it would take a million more years . can somebod y help me?

Practice, practice, practice. Spend some time studying the first-two-layer algorithms. They're simple enough to understand how they work without just "memorizing" them. Speed doesn't just come from memorizing algorithms, it comes from understanding what you're doing, being able to plan ahead, and developing dexterity in your fingers. You can do all of that without memorizing anything, if you want. You should easily be able to solve the cube in under a minute even with your basic solution. But by then you'll be addicted, and you'll decide it's worth it to memorize 70 algorithms. :-) - Matt --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "anand_chhettri" <anand_chhettri@...> wrote: > > I have recently started solving the cube..and i can solve it using a > set of beginners algorithms .but i want to reduce my time and for that > do i have to remember some 70-80 algorithms?How does one manage to do > that especially if i were to remember all of jessica friedrich's > algorithm it would take a million more years . can somebod y help me? >

On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 01:42:47PM -0000, anand_chhettri wrote: > I have recently started solving the cube..and i can solve it using a > set of beginners algorithms .but i want to reduce my time and for that > do i have to remember some 70-80 algorithms?How does one manage to do > that especially if i were to remember all of jessica friedrich's > algorithm it would take a million more years . can somebod y help me? Hi, a good understanding of the cube can save you from memorisation. The solving strategy is an important factor, however. A method such as Fridrich puts the cube in highly symetric positions in the last stages, which lends itself well to memorisation but not understanding. If you would like to apply understanding, then you will want to avoid those symetric positions. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

I disagree. The regular 4-cycle can be solved by looking at it from any angle, so there is only one of it. Can you give a link to the other discussion? ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > 4-cycle crazy should have a probability of 4/n, otherwise that would > imply an 11th case that was a mirror of 4-cycle crazy. > > I just got done being taken to school by Michael Fung about this on > the other forums. You can check those if you're interested. > > -Ben. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > wrote: > > > > It is all much simpler than that: > > > > Solved case = 1/n > > H-perm = 1/n > > Z-perm = 2/n > > 3-cycle CW = 4/n > > 3-cycle CCW = 4/n > > > > Opposite swap = 2/n > > Diagonal swap = 4/n > > 4-cycle CW = 1/n > > 4-cycle CCW = 1/n > > 4-cycle Crazy = 2/n > > > > Total = 22/n = 1 so n = 22. > > > > You can have any case in the top or bottom layer, so to know a > > particular case, it is just prob(top) * prob(bottom). > > > > ie - H-perm top with Opposite swap bottom = 1/22 * 2/22 = 2/484. > > > > Ben: the 576 does not take into account the symmetries, I believe. > > > > ~ Bob > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > Hrm, that means I'm missing two cases in for example 4.3. :/ > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > > > <grsbmd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > > > <bob@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > if you can calculate on a 3x3, you can calculate on a > square- > > > 1. > > > > just > > > > > > account for cases that have less (or more) symmetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > > > > <grsbmd@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities > for > > > > edge > > > > > perm > > > > > > > cases on the square 1? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lars Vandenburgh's site, the algorithms given (I believe > > > > > incomplete) I calculated the probabilty for: > > > > > > > > > > Solved 1/484 > > > > > > > > > > 1.1 1/121 > > > > > 1.2 1/242 > > > > > > > > > > 2.1 1/242 > > > > > 2.2 1/484 > > > > > 2.3 1/121 > > > > > 2.4 1/121 > > > > > > > > > > 3.1 1/484 > > > > > 3.2 1/484 > > > > > 3.3 1/242 > > > > > > > > > > 4.1 4/121 > > > > > 4.2 2/121 > > > > > 4.3 1/121 > > > > > > > > > > 5.1 2/121 > > > > > 5.2 1/121 > > > > > 5.3 4/121 > > > > > 5.4 4/121 > > > > > 5.5 1/121 > > > > > 5.6 1/242 > > > > > 5.7 2/121 > > > > > 5.8 2/121 > > > > > > > > > > 6.1 1/121 > > > > > 6.2 1/121 > > > > > 6.3 2/121 > > > > > 6.4 1/242 > > > > > 6.5 1/242 > > > > > 6.6 1/121 > > > > > > > > > > 7.1 1/121 > > > > > 7.2 1/242 > > > > > 7.3 2/121 > > > > > 7.4 2/121 > > > > > 7.5 1/484 > > > > > 7.6 1/121 > > > > > 7.7 1/121 > > > > > 7.8 4/121 > > > > > 7.9 4/121 > > > > > 7.10 4/121 > > > > > > > > > > Viola. > > > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there should be 576 total cases. 4!*4! > > > > At least that's what I got. > > > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > >

About probabilities: http://s12.invisionfree.com/rubiks/index.php?showtopic=313 and arguing about the total number of perms: http://s12.invisionfree.com/rubiks/index.php?showtopic=322 I agree that there is only one of the crazy 4 cycles, but since it's only rotational symmetry is at 360 degrees, then it should be four times more likely to occur than a pattern that has symmetry at 90,180,270, and 360. And if that's true, the total probabilites add up to 24 possible cases, which is 4!. -Ben. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@...> wrote: > > I disagree. The regular 4-cycle can be solved by looking at it from > any angle, so there is only one of it. Can you give a link to the > other discussion? > > ~ Bob > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@> > wrote: > > > > 4-cycle crazy should have a probability of 4/n, otherwise that would > > imply an 11th case that was a mirror of 4-cycle crazy. > > > > I just got done being taken to school by Michael Fung about this on > > the other forums. You can check those if you're interested. > > > > -Ben. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" <bob@> > > wrote: > > > > > > It is all much simpler than that: > > > > > > Solved case = 1/n > > > H-perm = 1/n > > > Z-perm = 2/n > > > 3-cycle CW = 4/n > > > 3-cycle CCW = 4/n > > > > > > Opposite swap = 2/n > > > Diagonal swap = 4/n > > > 4-cycle CW = 1/n > > > 4-cycle CCW = 1/n > > > 4-cycle Crazy = 2/n > > > > > > Total = 22/n = 1 so n = 22. > > > > > > You can have any case in the top or bottom layer, so to know a > > > particular case, it is just prob(top) * prob(bottom). > > > > > > ie - H-perm top with Opposite swap bottom = 1/22 * 2/22 = 2/484. > > > > > > Ben: the 576 does not take into account the symmetries, I believe. > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hrm, that means I'm missing two cases in for example 4.3. :/ > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > > > > <grsbmd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > > > > > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Burton" > > > > <bob@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you can calculate on a 3x3, you can calculate on a > > square- > > > > 1. > > > > > just > > > > > > > account for cases that have less (or more) symmetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > > > > > <grsbmd@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here know how to calculate the probabilities > > for > > > > > edge > > > > > > perm > > > > > > > > cases on the square 1? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Lars Vandenburgh's site, the algorithms given (I believe > > > > > > incomplete) I calculated the probabilty for: > > > > > > > > > > > > Solved 1/484 > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.1 1/121 > > > > > > 1.2 1/242 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.1 1/242 > > > > > > 2.2 1/484 > > > > > > 2.3 1/121 > > > > > > 2.4 1/121 > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1 1/484 > > > > > > 3.2 1/484 > > > > > > 3.3 1/242 > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.1 4/121 > > > > > > 4.2 2/121 > > > > > > 4.3 1/121 > > > > > > > > > > > > 5.1 2/121 > > > > > > 5.2 1/121 > > > > > > 5.3 4/121 > > > > > > 5.4 4/121 > > > > > > 5.5 1/121 > > > > > > 5.6 1/242 > > > > > > 5.7 2/121 > > > > > > 5.8 2/121 > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.1 1/121 > > > > > > 6.2 1/121 > > > > > > 6.3 2/121 > > > > > > 6.4 1/242 > > > > > > 6.5 1/242 > > > > > > 6.6 1/121 > > > > > > > > > > > > 7.1 1/121 > > > > > > 7.2 1/242 > > > > > > 7.3 2/121 > > > > > > 7.4 2/121 > > > > > > 7.5 1/484 > > > > > > 7.6 1/121 > > > > > > 7.7 1/121 > > > > > > 7.8 4/121 > > > > > > 7.9 4/121 > > > > > > 7.10 4/121 > > > > > > > > > > > > Viola. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there should be 576 total cases. 4!*4! > > > > > At least that's what I got. > > > > > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hello, It actually isn't all that bad. I solved my very first cube in late February of this year. The first solve probably took me around 5 hours total (on and off for about a day and a half). After that, I wrote up my own little algorithms that I pulled off certain pages. There were 13 in total. I just started practicing them whenever I had a chance. It took me 1-2 weeks to memorize all 13, and I wasn't really trying to memorize, they just came to fit my hands. My goal was to get below 1 minute. I reached my goal fairly quickly. Now, I can average under 30 seconds. I typed up a guide that I felt was really easy to understand and would help newer people learn to solve. Check it out here: http://www40.brinkster.com/patjk/beginners.html Towards the bottom I provided an example solve using that method. Once you have that method mastered, its time to move onto Fridrich. Check out my speedcubing page at: http://www40.brinkster.com/patjk/fast.html I also provided an example solve using pure Fridrich towards the bottom there. Learning all the algorithms sounds tough, but it isn't. When you get time, just sit down, and learn maybe 1-2 algorithms each day. The F2L is mostly intiution, so you actually see more about what is happening, and not really learning an algorithm. I have most F2L cases down, all PLL cases, and I need maybe 30 more OLL algorithms to memorize. Once I get all the OLLs, I am going to go back and learn new tricks for the F2L, and that should take my time don 7-10 seconds. Just practice, practice, practice. Don't give up. Find a friend to get interested in the cube with so you can compete against eachother. Good luck, Patrick --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 01:42:47PM -0000, anand_chhettri wrote: > > I have recently started solving the cube..and i can solve it using a > > set of beginners algorithms .but i want to reduce my time and for that > > do i have to remember some 70-80 algorithms?How does one manage to do > > that especially if i were to remember all of jessica friedrich's > > algorithm it would take a million more years . can somebod y help me? > > Hi, a good understanding of the cube can save you from memorisation. > The solving strategy is an important factor, however. A method such as > Fridrich puts the cube in highly symetric positions in the last stages, > which lends itself well to memorisation but not understanding. If you > would like to apply understanding, then you will want to avoid those > symetric positions. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Hi everyone, As part of the redesign of CubeStation I have come to making the links page. I have made the page, although probably will tweak the design somewhat. Anyway, thats boring, but the cool part is that you can now add your own links. http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/index.php?page=links/links - this is the links page http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/index.php?page=links/addlinks - Here is where I would like you to add your link to your website. You can of course add links to your favourite other websites, and if they fit one of the categories and I feel it is appropriate I will approve it to be added to the Links Page. It would be very nice to build up a comprehensive set of links to reflect the pages in the speedcubing community. Happy linking! Please get in touch if you have any concerns/queries/suggestions - dan@... Dan Harris :)

hi, thanks for the information and the encouragement.Just wanted to ask how many algos do you use to get into the sub 30s.I went thru yer site .its gr8 and helpful. thanks again bye , Anand broncoviper <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello, It actually isn't all that bad. I solved my very first cube in late February of this year. The first solve probably took me around 5 hours total (on and off for about a day and a half). After that, I wrote up my own little algorithms that I pulled off certain pages. There were 13 in total. I just started practicing them whenever I had a chance. It took me 1-2 weeks to memorize all 13, and I wasn't really trying to memorize, they just came to fit my hands. My goal was to get below 1 minute. I reached my goal fairly quickly. Now, I can average under 30 seconds. I typed up a guide that I felt was really easy to understand and would help newer people learn to solve. Check it out here: http://www40.brinkster.com/patjk/beginners.html Towards the bottom I provided an example solve using that method. Once you have that method mastered, its time to move onto Fridrich. Check out my speedcubing page at: http://www40.brinkster.com/patjk/fast.html I also provided an example solve using pure Fridrich towards the bottom there. Learning all the algorithms sounds tough, but it isn't. When you get time, just sit down, and learn maybe 1-2 algorithms each day. The F2L is mostly intiution, so you actually see more about what is happening, and not really learning an algorithm. I have most F2L cases down, all PLL cases, and I need maybe 30 more OLL algorithms to memorize. Once I get all the OLLs, I am going to go back and learn new tricks for the F2L, and that should take my time don 7-10 seconds. Just practice, practice, practice. Don't give up. Find a friend to get interested in the cube with so you can compete against eachother. Good luck, Patrick --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 01:42:47PM -0000, anand_chhettri wrote: > > I have recently started solving the cube..and i can solve it using a > > set of beginners algorithms .but i want to reduce my time and for that > > do i have to remember some 70-80 algorithms?How does one manage to do > > that especially if i were to remember all of jessica friedrich's > > algorithm it would take a million more years . can somebod y help me? > > Hi, a good understanding of the cube can save you from memorisation. > The solving strategy is an important factor, however. A method such as > Fridrich puts the cube in highly symetric positions in the last stages, > which lends itself well to memorisation but not understanding. If you > would like to apply understanding, then you will want to avoid those > symetric positions. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on Yahoo! India Click here [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Anand, It is possible to average under 20 seconds with 4 look last layer. For that you need to learn: EO) Edge orientation (3 cases) CO) Corner orientation (7 cases) CP) Corner permutation (2 cases) EP) Edge permutation (4 cases) Total of 16 cases. This will be the first step towards learning all 78 cases. After that you can combine CP and EP (15 more cases). And slowly combine EO and CO. Like first learn all cases with 4 flipped edges. F2L is mainly intuitive, although for some tougher cases most of the guys here use algorithms. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: anand chhetri To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: speed cubing hi, thanks for the information and the encouragement.Just wanted to ask how many algos do you use to get into the sub 30s.I went thru yer site .its gr8 and helpful. thanks again bye , Anand broncoviper <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello, It actually isn't all that bad. I solved my very first cube in late February of this year. The first solve probably took me around 5 hours total (on and off for about a day and a half). After that, I wrote up my own little algorithms that I pulled off certain pages. There were 13 in total. I just started practicing them whenever I had a chance. It took me 1-2 weeks to memorize all 13, and I wasn't really trying to memorize, they just came to fit my hands. My goal was to get below 1 minute. I reached my goal fairly quickly. Now, I can average under 30 seconds. I typed up a guide that I felt was really easy to understand and would help newer people learn to solve. Check it out here: http://www40.brinkster.com/patjk/beginners.html Towards the bottom I provided an example solve using that method. Once you have that method mastered, its time to move onto Fridrich. Check out my speedcubing page at: http://www40.brinkster.com/patjk/fast.html I also provided an example solve using pure Fridrich towards the bottom there. Learning all the algorithms sounds tough, but it isn't. When you get time, just sit down, and learn maybe 1-2 algorithms each day. The F2L is mostly intiution, so you actually see more about what is happening, and not really learning an algorithm. I have most F2L cases down, all PLL cases, and I need maybe 30 more OLL algorithms to memorize. Once I get all the OLLs, I am going to go back and learn new tricks for the F2L, and that should take my time don 7-10 seconds. Just practice, practice, practice. Don't give up. Find a friend to get interested in the cube with so you can compete against eachother. Good luck, Patrick --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 01:42:47PM -0000, anand_chhettri wrote: > > I have recently started solving the cube..and i can solve it using a > > set of beginners algorithms .but i want to reduce my time and for that > > do i have to remember some 70-80 algorithms?How does one manage to do > > that especially if i were to remember all of jessica friedrich's > > algorithm it would take a million more years . can somebod y help me? > > Hi, a good understanding of the cube can save you from memorisation. > The solving strategy is an important factor, however. A method such as > Fridrich puts the cube in highly symetric positions in the last stages, > which lends itself well to memorisation but not understanding. If you > would like to apply understanding, then you will want to avoid those > symetric positions. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > --------------------------------- Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new Click here Catch all the FIFA World Cup 2006 action on Yahoo! India Click here [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Jun 29, 2006, at 23:41, Ron van Bruchem wrote: > It is possible to average under 20 seconds with 4 look last layer. LIke I may have said before: All that learning more than a few (around 5, say) algorithms will do is to cut 5-15 moves off your solutions. Which should be 10%-30% of your moves, and less of your time. If this is right, the people averaging 15 sec should be able to average under 18 using only the basic algs. Don't know if that's true, but I'd be real surprised if it's far off. But my point is that there is nothing wrong in learning algorithms, and you need to know a lot to be real fast, but it's a very small part of your journey from 1 minute to sub 20. Really just those 3-5 last seconds. - - - - - - - - - - - - "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." --- William Gibson Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

Hi :-) About 4-look last layer (LL). I use that for my 3x3x3 speedsolving. In terms of number of moves it's not very efficient at all (the way i do it at least). There are at least a few reasonable scenarios for a 4-step LL. - position corners (PC), orient corners (OC), orient edges (OE) and finally position edges (PE) This is what i do basically, but there are some bad cases for orienting edges after solving the corners so i sometimes divert and do 2 edge 3-cycle instead of OE + PE. Or i may do the edge 4-flip in just 1 alg. A better scenario is probably: - OE then OC then finally PE and PC in any order. Going that route leads naturally to the standard 2-look LL: orient all (OLL) and permute all (PLL). The first 2 steps combine to OLL and the last 2 combine to the PLL step. My best average with my rather poor 4-look LL strategy is 20.57 secs. My normal avg's are in the range 24-26 secs. Im lazy to change my 25 yr old ways of spedsolving, and im more interested in the larger cubes for speeding :-) Best of luck! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > On Jun 29, 2006, at 23:41, Ron van Bruchem wrote: > > > It is possible to average under 20 seconds with 4 look last layer. > > LIke I may have said before: > > All that learning more than a few (around 5, say) algorithms will do > is to cut 5-15 moves off your solutions. Which should be 10%-30% of > your moves, and less of your time. > > If this is right, the people averaging 15 sec should be able to > average under 18 using only the basic algs. Don't know if that's > true, but I'd be real surprised if it's far off. > > But my point is that there is nothing wrong in learning algorithms, > and you need to know a lot to be real fast, but it's a very small > part of your journey from 1 minute to sub 20. Really just those 3- 5 > last seconds. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." > --- William Gibson > > Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com >

Hi Per, Yes, there are several scenarios for 4 look last layer. But EO, CO, CP, EP is bringing you closer to CFOP. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Per Kristen Fredlund To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: speed cubing Hi :-) About 4-look last layer (LL). I use that for my 3x3x3 speedsolving. In terms of number of moves it's not very efficient at all (the way i do it at least). There are at least a few reasonable scenarios for a 4-step LL. - position corners (PC), orient corners (OC), orient edges (OE) and finally position edges (PE) This is what i do basically, but there are some bad cases for orienting edges after solving the corners so i sometimes divert and do 2 edge 3-cycle instead of OE + PE. Or i may do the edge 4-flip in just 1 alg. A better scenario is probably: - OE then OC then finally PE and PC in any order. Going that route leads naturally to the standard 2-look LL: orient all (OLL) and permute all (PLL). The first 2 steps combine to OLL and the last 2 combine to the PLL step. My best average with my rather poor 4-look LL strategy is 20.57 secs. My normal avg's are in the range 24-26 secs. Im lazy to change my 25 yr old ways of spedsolving, and im more interested in the larger cubes for speeding :-) Best of luck! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > On Jun 29, 2006, at 23:41, Ron van Bruchem wrote: > > > It is possible to average under 20 seconds with 4 look last layer. > > LIke I may have said before: > > All that learning more than a few (around 5, say) algorithms will do > is to cut 5-15 moves off your solutions. Which should be 10%-30% of > your moves, and less of your time. > > If this is right, the people averaging 15 sec should be able to > average under 18 using only the basic algs. Don't know if that's > true, but I'd be real surprised if it's far off. > > But my point is that there is nothing wrong in learning algorithms, > and you need to know a lot to be real fast, but it's a very small > part of your journey from 1 minute to sub 20. Really just those 3- 5 > last seconds. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." > --- William Gibson > > Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Instead of timing with a stopwatch, you could use a countdown timer. Set it to X seconds, you win if your attempt is faster than X seconds. You'd have a competition just like high jump or pole vault. A limited number of attempts/competitor, challenges of increasing difficulty. Take risks, but not too much. That could be a fun and interesting unofficial event, with competitors racing for the same challenge solving at the same time under a common timer. Gilles.

Hi :-) That's what i said also. But i Used OE, OC, PC, PE ;-) (! EO/CO/EP/CP) Learning 4-look LL in this way is a good way to go. Then learn how to combine PC and PE into 1 step >> PLL (13 algs). This leads to a 3- look LL. Then when mastering this learn the OLL algs in small steps until all cases are mastered. Learning just the algs is not sufficient though. I mean just learning those algs and not how to use them (recognition of the cases) is rather meaningless :-) When all OLL is fully mastered u have a true 2-look LL. Other 2-step LL scenarios possible are CLL(COLL) then ELL(PE). Or like Mirek: make a 2x2x1 block on last layer and then learn all the algs for the last 5 cubies. I don't see a good step-up path to this approach however ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi Per, > > Yes, there are several scenarios for 4 look last layer. > But EO, CO, CP, EP is bringing you closer to CFOP. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Per Kristen Fredlund > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:46 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: speed cubing > > > Hi :-) > > About 4-look last layer (LL). I use that for my 3x3x3 speedsolving. > In terms of number of moves it's not very efficient at all (the way > i do it at least). There are at least a few reasonable scenarios for > a 4-step LL. > > - position corners (PC), orient corners (OC), orient edges (OE) and > finally position edges (PE) > > This is what i do basically, but there are some bad cases for > orienting edges after solving the corners so i sometimes divert and > do 2 edge 3-cycle instead of OE + PE. Or i may do the edge 4- flip in > just 1 alg. > > A better scenario is probably: > > - OE then OC then finally PE and PC in any order. > > Going that route leads naturally to the standard 2-look LL: orient > all (OLL) and permute all (PLL). The first 2 steps combine to OLL > and the last 2 combine to the PLL step. > > My best average with my rather poor 4-look LL strategy is 20.57 > secs. My normal avg's are in the range 24-26 secs. Im lazy to change > my 25 yr old ways of spedsolving, and im more interested in the > larger cubes for speeding :-) > > Best of luck! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus > <lars@> wrote: > > > > On Jun 29, 2006, at 23:41, Ron van Bruchem wrote: > > > > > It is possible to average under 20 seconds with 4 look last > layer. > > > > LIke I may have said before: > > > > All that learning more than a few (around 5, say) algorithms will > do > > is to cut 5-15 moves off your solutions. Which should be 10%- 30% > of > > your moves, and less of your time. > > > > If this is right, the people averaging 15 sec should be able to > > average under 18 using only the basic algs. Don't know if that's > > true, but I'd be real surprised if it's far off. > > > > But my point is that there is nothing wrong in learning > algorithms, > > and you need to know a lot to be real fast, but it's a very small > > part of your journey from 1 minute to sub 20. Really just those 3- > 5 > > last seconds. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." > > --- William Gibson > > > > Lars Petrus - lars@ http://lar5.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hey everyone, As I start making final arrangements for the trip to ol San Fran, I begin to wonder where the majority of travellers are staying, so that we may be able to lodge in the hotel most populated by cubers. If you all wouldn't mind, would you please reply with where you are staying? I am sure alot of other cube freaks may be interested as well. Thanks! Frank

As I have told many, we are staying at an Inn about half a mile away from the Exploratorium. My parents believe it is called: "Coventry Motor Inn" but don't take my word for it :) It is probably fairly cheap, cuz we are staying there :) And we are trying to cut costs as much as possible...It is a 1.2 mile walk... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <ephem825@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > As I start making final arrangements for the trip to ol San Fran, I > begin to wonder where the majority of travellers are staying, so that > we may be able to lodge in the hotel most populated by cubers. If you > all wouldn't mind, would you please reply with where you are staying? > I am sure alot of other cube freaks may be interested as well. > > Thanks! > > Frank >

To all that have done it, how much are total expenses (food, airfare, etc)? When does this event take place? Marcus Stuhr University of Pennsylvania Wharton & CAS '09 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > As I have told many, we are staying at an Inn about half a mile away > from the Exploratorium. My parents believe it is called: > > "Coventry Motor Inn" but don't take my word for it :) It is probably > fairly cheap, cuz we are staying there :) And we are trying to cut > costs as much as possible...It is a 1.2 mile walk... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <ephem825@> > wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > As I start making final arrangements for the trip to ol San Fran, I > > begin to wonder where the majority of travellers are staying, so that > > we may be able to lodge in the hotel most populated by cubers. If you > > all wouldn't mind, would you please reply with where you are staying? > > I am sure alot of other cube freaks may be interested as well. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Frank > > >

well for me it entails 20 long miles of travel and at least 1 entire gallon of gas ----- Original Message ---- From: kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:48:36 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Travelling to US Nationals? Where are you staying? To all that have done it, how much are total expenses (food, airfare, etc)? When does this event take place? Marcus Stuhr University of Pennsylvania Wharton & CAS '09 --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@. ..> wrote: > > As I have told many, we are staying at an Inn about half a mile away > from the Exploratorium. My parents believe it is called: > > "Coventry Motor Inn" but don't take my word for it :) It is probably > fairly cheap, cuz we are staying there :) And we are trying to cut > costs as much as possible...It is a 1.2 mile walk... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc ube@yahoogroups. com, "Frank" <ephem825@> > wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > As I start making final arrangements for the trip to ol San Fran, I > > begin to wonder where the majority of travellers are staying, so that > > we may be able to lodge in the hotel most populated by cubers. If you > > all wouldn't mind, would you please reply with where you are staying? > > I am sure alot of other cube freaks may be interested as well. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Frank > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Per, I didn't know that you > - position corners (PC), orient corners (OC), orient edges (OE) and finally position edges (PE) < !! That's what I do, basically. See: http://www.speedcubing.com/DavidJSalvia.html >From there I went a different direction: Position and orient corners in one go, solve edges in one go. CLL ELL. I started to control the LL edge orientation when placing the 4 FL edges, so I never end up with all four flipped unless I want them flipped. I did that when I started to develop: position and orient corners and flip 2 edges over in one go, and position edges. :) David J --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > About 4-look last layer (LL). I use that for my 3x3x3 speedsolving. > In terms of number of moves it's not very efficient at all (the way > i do it at least). There are at least a few reasonable scenarios for > a 4-step LL. > > - position corners (PC), orient corners (OC), orient edges (OE) and > finally position edges (PE) > > This is what i do basically, but there are some bad cases for > orienting edges after solving the corners so i sometimes divert and > do 2 edge 3-cycle instead of OE + PE. Or i may do the edge 4-flip in > just 1 alg. > > A better scenario is probably: > > - OE then OC then finally PE and PC in any order. > > Going that route leads naturally to the standard 2-look LL: orient > all (OLL) and permute all (PLL). The first 2 steps combine to OLL > and the last 2 combine to the PLL step. > > My best average with my rather poor 4-look LL strategy is 20.57 > secs. My normal avg's are in the range 24-26 secs. Im lazy to change > my 25 yr old ways of spedsolving, and im more interested in the > larger cubes for speeding :-) > > Best of luck! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus > <lars@> wrote: > > > > On Jun 29, 2006, at 23:41, Ron van Bruchem wrote: > > > > > It is possible to average under 20 seconds with 4 look last > layer. > > > > LIke I may have said before: > > > > All that learning more than a few (around 5, say) algorithms will > do > > is to cut 5-15 moves off your solutions. Which should be 10%-30% > of > > your moves, and less of your time. > > > > If this is right, the people averaging 15 sec should be able to > > average under 18 using only the basic algs. Don't know if that's > > true, but I'd be real surprised if it's far off. > > > > But my point is that there is nothing wrong in learning > algorithms, > > and you need to know a lot to be real fast, but it's a very small > > part of your journey from 1 minute to sub 20. Really just those 3- > 5 > > last seconds. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." > > --- William Gibson > > > > Lars Petrus - lars@ http://lar5.com > > >

On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 10:32:14AM -0000, Gilles Roux wrote: > Instead of timing with a stopwatch, you could use a countdown timer. > Set it to X seconds, you win if your attempt is faster than X seconds. > > You'd have a competition just like high jump or pole vault. A limited > number of attempts/competitor, challenges of increasing difficulty. > Take risks, but not too much. Sounds fun. I also like the sound of head-to-head battles, tournament style: - round 1: 32 players, 16 matches (in pairs) - round 2: 16 players, 8 matches - round 3: 8 players, 4 matches - round 4: 4 players, 2 matches - round 5: 2 players, 1 match (grand final) A match could just be one head-to-head battle, or a series. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

I don't think he was talking Cube Cup format, I think he meant all people go at once and first x Done move on...The way you explained it is faster of 2 moves on. The way he explains it, You have to do it under a specific time. If you do it, you can move on. There wouldn't be rounds. I guess technically there would be rounds but not in the way you mean. Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 10:32:14AM -0000, Gilles Roux wrote: > > Instead of timing with a stopwatch, you could use a countdown timer. > > Set it to X seconds, you win if your attempt is faster than X seconds. > > > > You'd have a competition just like high jump or pole vault. A limited > > number of attempts/competitor, challenges of increasing difficulty. > > Take risks, but not too much. > > Sounds fun. > > I also like the sound of head-to-head battles, tournament style: > > - round 1: 32 players, 16 matches (in pairs) > - round 2: 16 players, 8 matches > - round 3: 8 players, 4 matches > - round 4: 4 players, 2 matches > - round 5: 2 players, 1 match (grand final) > > A match could just be one head-to-head battle, or a series. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

> I also like the sound of head-to-head battles, tournament style: Do you like head-to-head with one battle/round, or average/round? The reason why I think it's a bad idea is that in cubing, you compete against yourself, more than against others, so it's not really a battle. It's very different than races, where there's much more strategy involved. The "pole vault" competition format gives more strategy, and it would be the only way for me to beat Anssi, if he decides to start his competition at sub-12 and fails :-) > A match could just be one head-to-head battle, or a series. A head-to-head tournament style with each round based on the "pole vault" format is a possibility. Gilles.

On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 05:53:45PM -0000, Craig Bouchard wrote: > I don't think he was talking Cube Cup format, I think you missed the part where I said: > I "also" like the sound of ... [ another idea ] :-) On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 06:15:58PM -0000, Gilles Roux wrote: > The reason why I think it's a bad idea is that in cubing, you compete > against yourself, more than against others, so it's not really a > battle. It's very different than races, where there's much more > strategy involved. Maybe we liked different things about your idea? One of the things I really liked was this bit: > competitors racing for the same challenge solving at the same time > under a common timer. Now, it is true, there is a fundamental problem with speedcubing as a "sport", which is the element of chance. And it really affects competing of both kinds, whether it be competing against yourself, or against others. In both cases, chance can make it difficult to tell whether you were actually better or worse. It also means speedcubing isn't inherently better suited to one form or the other, and really depends on what whether the individual thinks is "fun". (When I was a student, I found Doom boring, but multiplayer Doom fun :-) > Do you like head-to-head with one battle/round, or average/round? I think both can be fun. The average/round or best-of-set/round can account for chance to some extent, but would also slow things down. Another thought is that maybe in the far distant future, speedcubists will be so advanced that they will eliminate the element of chance all by themselves :-) Supposing everyone is given the same scramble, everyone is an expert in the cube and doesn't rely on luck, and everyone has the same opportunities to take advantage of. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Good for you CA ppl, but for some of us it entails crossing the country. Wonder who else will be comming from this side of the country besides Chris, Bob, and me. Anyhow, I have yet to buy tickets. It's getting close, any word on where everybody is staying? Also what are arrival times/dates and departure times/dates for other people? I rarely travel to CA, so I kinda want to spend two full weeks there. Any comments or suggesutions? Especially that from locals would be appriciated. Like, is it feasible to rent a car over there? (I typically try to when I'm on other trips.) How will we get around? Will there be people with cars there? Or should we just plan on spending a lot on cab fare? -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > well for me it entails 20 long miles of travel and at least 1 entire gallon of gas >

On Jul 1, 2006, at 20:18, d_funny007 wrote: > How will we get around? Will there be people with cars there? Or > should we just plan on spending a lot on cab fare? San Francisco is a surprisingly small city with pretty good public transport. If you'll spend 2 weeks doing California, you'll want to rent a car, but in The City it's mostly a pain having a car. - - - - - - - - - - - - Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and you've sacrificed your leverage. Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

We arrive on the 3rd, leave on the 9th, we're renting a car and travelling a bit too. See my other post about the hotel... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Good for you CA ppl, but for some of us it entails crossing the > country. Wonder who else will be comming from this side of the country > besides Chris, Bob, and me. > > Anyhow, I have yet to buy tickets. It's getting close, any word on > where everybody is staying? Also what are arrival times/dates and > departure times/dates for other people? > > I rarely travel to CA, so I kinda want to spend two full weeks there. > Any comments or suggesutions? Especially that from locals would be > appriciated. Like, is it feasible to rent a car over there? (I > typically try to when I'm on other trips.) > > How will we get around? Will there be people with cars there? Or > should we just plan on spending a lot on cab fare? > > > -Doug > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > well for me it entails 20 long miles of travel and at least 1 entire > gallon of gas > > >

But how expensive is it? I would be traveling alone on my own money and so I'm curious as to how much it actually costs to really stay there for a while. Marcus Stuhr University of Pennsylvania Wharton & CAS '09 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > We arrive on the 3rd, leave on the 9th, we're renting a car and > travelling a bit too. See my other post about the hotel... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Good for you CA ppl, but for some of us it entails crossing the > > country. Wonder who else will be comming from this side of the country > > besides Chris, Bob, and me. > > > > Anyhow, I have yet to buy tickets. It's getting close, any word on > > where everybody is staying? Also what are arrival times/dates and > > departure times/dates for other people? > > > > I rarely travel to CA, so I kinda want to spend two full weeks there. > > Any comments or suggesutions? Especially that from locals would be > > appriciated. Like, is it feasible to rent a car over there? (I > > typically try to when I'm on other trips.) > > > > How will we get around? Will there be people with cars there? Or > > should we just plan on spending a lot on cab fare? > > > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > > > well for me it entails 20 long miles of travel and at least 1 entire > > gallon of gas > > > > > >

You can check out the website: www.coventrymotorinn.com There is a link on the left called "Sister Properties" and they are all close to that general area as well. There are prices and everything on there. I think the cheapest is $79 per night. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > But how expensive is it? I would be traveling alone on my own money > and so I'm curious as to how much it actually costs to really stay > there for a while. > > Marcus Stuhr > University of Pennsylvania > Wharton & CAS '09 > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > We arrive on the 3rd, leave on the 9th, we're renting a car and > > travelling a bit too. See my other post about the hotel... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Good for you CA ppl, but for some of us it entails crossing the > > > country. Wonder who else will be comming from this side of the > country > > > besides Chris, Bob, and me. > > > > > > Anyhow, I have yet to buy tickets. It's getting close, any word > on > > > where everybody is staying? Also what are arrival times/dates and > > > departure times/dates for other people? > > > > > > I rarely travel to CA, so I kinda want to spend two full weeks > there. > > > Any comments or suggesutions? Especially that from locals would > be > > > appriciated. Like, is it feasible to rent a car over there? (I > > > typically try to when I'm on other trips.) > > > > > > How will we get around? Will there be people with cars there? Or > > > should we just plan on spending a lot on cab fare? > > > > > > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > > > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > > > > > well for me it entails 20 long miles of travel and at least 1 > entire > > > gallon of gas > > > > > > > > > >

In the WCA forum, I have started a thread opening up the floor for nominations and suggestion on where to host the 2008 United States championships. The forum is good, so you should register for it if you can. I would also suggest registering with your name such as "FirstnameLastname." Ultimately, it's easier for everyone when we know who's actually saying what, but of course, I'm sure a random username who posts often will be well known anyway. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > In the WCA forum, I have started a thread opening up the floor for > nominations and suggestion on where to host the 2008 United States > championships. > > The forum is good, so you should register for it if you can. I would > also suggest registering with your name such as "FirstnameLastname." > Ultimately, it's easier for everyone when we know who's actually saying > what, but of course, I'm sure a random username who posts often will be > well known anyway. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > My personal preference is that it should be held in the east coast; the last two were held in the west. I feel that way probably because I'm from the east coast. :P -Tim

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > wrote: > > > > In the WCA forum, I have started a thread opening up the floor for > > nominations and suggestion on where to host the 2008 United States > > championships. > > > > The forum is good, so you should register for it if you can. I > would > > also suggest registering with your name such > as "FirstnameLastname." > > Ultimately, it's easier for everyone when we know who's actually > saying > > what, but of course, I'm sure a random username who posts often > will be > > well known anyway. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > My personal preference is that it should be held in the east coast; > the last two were held in the west. I feel that way probably because > I'm from the east coast. :P > > -Tim > I think east coast woudl be nice too (and i live in CA) just because it would be nice to go to new york or something XD what about hawaii that would be pretty interesting make everyone travel far ahh yeah and nice job tyson killing the group for a day or 2 XD

Hey everyone, I have a question for all you programmers out there. I have a need for a really simple program that will help me practice one of the things that makes up a fairly large portion of my DNFs on the bigger cubes. I need a tool that will generate 4 random letters, with no repeat letters, and never using the letters Y or Z. So for example, I could press a key or do some input command and then it would display something like: RNWX ABCD QLIJ NMJE etc.. But it would never display something like AECE YDER ZBDU etc.. I have no knowledge of how to do this, and wanted to humbly ask if anyone would be able to write something real simple that would do this. It doesn't need to look fancy, or pretty, or do anything other than give those four letters after I press a key, or do some input command. Thanks for any help, it would be very much appreciated. Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > I have a question for all you programmers out there. I have a need > for a really simple program that will help me practice one of the > things that makes up a fairly large portion of my DNFs on the bigger > cubes. > > I need a tool that will generate 4 random letters, with no repeat > letters, and never using the letters Y or Z. > > So for example, I could press a key or do some input command and then > it would display something like: > RNWX > ABCD > QLIJ > NMJE > > etc.. > > But it would never display something like > AECE > YDER > ZBDU > > etc.. > > I have no knowledge of how to do this, and wanted to humbly ask if > anyone would be able to write something real simple that would do > this. It doesn't need to look fancy, or pretty, or do anything other > than give those four letters after I press a key, or do some input > command. > > Thanks for any help, it would be very much appreciated. > > Chris > Hi, This is a very simple script that hopefully will be useful: http://koti.mbnet.fi/~stini/bld.php I didn't do much testing, so say if there is anything to be fixed.

cmhardw wrote: > I need a tool that will generate 4 random letters, with no repeat > letters, and never using the letters Y or Z. Hi Chris, just copy and paste this into an html file and open it in your web browser: <script type="text/javascript"> // Generate a bag of letters from 'A' to 'X' var bag = new Array(); for (var i = 0; i < 24; i++) { bag[i] = String.fromCharCode(65 + i); } // Now randomly pull characters out of the bag for (var i = 24; i > 0; i--) { var randomPosition = Math.floor(Math.random()*i); var letter = bag[randomPosition]; bag.splice(randomPosition, 1); document.write(letter); document.write(' '); if (i % 4 == 1) document.write('
'); } </script> -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Here is the equivalent one liner in perl :) perl -le '@a=A..X;print map{splice@a,rand@a,1}0..3' Terje -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] På vegne av Ryan Heise Sendt: 4. juli 2006 12:28 Til: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Emne: [Speed cubing group] Re: program request : BLD practice tool cmhardw wrote: > I need a tool that will generate 4 random letters, with no repeat > letters, and never using the letters Y or Z. Hi Chris, just copy and paste this into an html file and open it in your web browser: <script type="text/javascript"> // Generate a bag of letters from 'A' to 'X' var bag = new Array(); for (var i = 0; i < 24; i++) { bag[i] = String.fromCharCode(65 + i); } // Now randomly pull characters out of the bag for (var i = 24; i > 0; i--) { var randomPosition = Math.floor(Math.random()*i); var letter = bag[randomPosition]; bag.splice(randomPosition, 1); document.write(letter); document.write(' '); if (i % 4 == 1) document.write('
'); } </script> -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheis <http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/> e.com/cube/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey ppl, You can never believe what just happened... Matt Walter is visiting Holland right now, and this morning, I picked him up from the airport, and went to do some cool stuff in Amsterdam... We were taking a little tour around the city with a boat, and during that, we also solved a few cubes.. Suddenly, a guy comes up to me and asks me: 'How fast do you solve the 3x3?'. I said 'about 15 seconds'. Then, I suddenly realised how strange his question was. I mean, most ppl would call it 'that thing', or maybe 'that cube'. But this sounded like a guy who knew more about cubing... And it turned out his best friend is a speedcuber (David Bergman, some of you might know him). Anyways.. It's a small world, apparantly. - Joël.

Whoho...programming contest :) Who will be first whith a Befunge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befunge) or Brainf**k (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck) solution. My win32 app... http://users.du.se/%7Eh04danhe/BLDTool.exe --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Terje Kristensen" <terje.kristensen@...> wrote: > > Here is the equivalent one liner in perl :) > > perl -le '@a=A..X;print map{splice@a,rand@a,1}0..3' > > Terje > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] På vegne av Ryan Heise > Sendt: 4. juli 2006 12:28 > Til: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Emne: [Speed cubing group] Re: program request : BLD practice tool > > > > cmhardw wrote: > > I need a tool that will generate 4 random letters, with no repeat > > letters, and never using the letters Y or Z. > > Hi Chris, just copy and paste this into an html file and open it in > your web browser: > > <script type="text/javascript"> > > // Generate a bag of letters from 'A' to 'X' > var bag = new Array(); > for (var i = 0; i < 24; i++) > { > bag[i] = String.fromCharCode(65 + i); > } > > // Now randomly pull characters out of the bag > for (var i = 24; i > 0; i--) > { > var randomPosition = Math.floor(Math.random()*i); > var letter = bag[randomPosition]; > bag.splice(randomPosition, 1); > > document.write(letter); > document.write(' '); > if (i % 4 == 1) document.write('
'); > } > > </script> > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheis <http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/> e.com/cube/ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

> You can never believe what just happened... I can. Last month, I was closing my window, and I had a scrambled cube in the hand. A neighbour (a window 3 meters away, in front of mine) saw it and ask me to solve it. He asked me if I was using the Fridrich method. I told him no, a different one. Now I think he believes I'm using a method from some canadian guy he saw on the web. Gilles.

Hi :-) I made a working page :-) http://cubix.idi.ntnu.no/memo.php Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Heise" <ryan@...> wrote: > > cmhardw wrote: > > I need a tool that will generate 4 random letters, with no repeat > > letters, and never using the letters Y or Z. > > Hi Chris, just copy and paste this into an html file and open it in > your web browser: > > > <script type="text/javascript"> > > // Generate a bag of letters from 'A' to 'X' > var bag = new Array(); > for (var i = 0; i < 24; i++) > { > bag[i] = String.fromCharCode(65 + i); > } > > // Now randomly pull characters out of the bag > for (var i = 24; i > 0; i--) > { > var randomPosition = Math.floor(Math.random()*i); > var letter = bag[randomPosition]; > bag.splice(randomPosition, 1); > > document.write(letter); > document.write(' '); > if (i % 4 == 1) document.write('
'); > } > > </script> > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 03:45:26PM -0000, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hi :-) > > I made a working page :-) > http://cubix.idi.ntnu.no/memo.php Hi Per, for in-page regeneration, add this: <script type="text/javascript"> function generateLetters() { // Generate a bag of letters from 'A' to 'X' var bag = new Array(); for (var i = 0; i < 24; i++) { bag[i] = String.fromCharCode(65 + i); } // Now randomly pull characters out of the bag var html = ''; for (var i = 24; i > 0; i--) { var randomPosition = Math.floor(Math.random()*i); var letter = bag[randomPosition]; bag.splice(randomPosition, 1); html += letter; html += ' '; if (i % 4 == 1) html += '
'; } document.getElementById('output').innerHTML = html; } </script> <div id="output"></div> <input type="button" value="generate" onClick="generateLetters();"> <script type="text/javascript"> generateLetters(); </script> -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Yah :D That keeps it purely client-side. If i had changed the filename from .php to .htm(l) my code runs purely clientside too, but would indeed refresh the whole window not just the content inside it. I did like i did to keep the code short ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 03:45:26PM -0000, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > Hi :-) > > > > I made a working page :-) > > http://cubix.idi.ntnu.no/memo.php > > Hi Per, for in-page regeneration, add this: > > > <script type="text/javascript"> > > function generateLetters() > { > // Generate a bag of letters from 'A' to 'X' > var bag = new Array(); > for (var i = 0; i < 24; i++) > { > bag[i] = String.fromCharCode(65 + i); > } > > // Now randomly pull characters out of the bag > var html = ''; > for (var i = 24; i > 0; i--) > { > var randomPosition = Math.floor(Math.random()*i); > var letter = bag[randomPosition]; > bag.splice(randomPosition, 1); > > html += letter; > html += ' '; > if (i % 4 == 1) html += '
'; > } > document.getElementById('output').innerHTML = html; > } > > </script> > > <div id="output"></div> > <input type="button" value="generate" onClick="generateLetters();"> > > <script type="text/javascript"> > generateLetters(); > </script> > > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

lol that's very... funny/ironic. =) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > You can never believe what just happened... > > I can. > > Last month, I was closing my window, and I had a scrambled cube in the > hand. A neighbour (a window 3 meters away, in front of mine) saw it > and ask me to solve it. > He asked me if I was using the Fridrich method. I told him no, a > different one. Now I think he believes I'm using a method from some > canadian guy he saw on the web. > > Gilles. >

David Bergman is one of my best friends, (it was me who turned him on to speedcubing) - it was so strange reading this post, what a coincedence! He'll be shocked to read this if he hasnt already --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hey ppl, > > You can never believe what just happened... Matt Walter is visiting > Holland right now, and this morning, I picked him up from the airport, > and went to do some cool stuff in Amsterdam... We were taking a little > tour around the city with a boat, and during that, we also solved a > few cubes.. Suddenly, a guy comes up to me and asks me: 'How fast do > you solve the 3x3?'. I said 'about 15 seconds'. Then, I suddenly > realised how strange his question was. I mean, most ppl would call > it 'that thing', or maybe 'that cube'. But this sounded like a guy who > knew more about cubing... And it turned out his best friend is a > speedcuber (David Bergman, some of you might know him). > > Anyways.. It's a small world, apparantly. > > - Joël. >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > Last month, I was closing my window, and I had a scrambled cube in the > hand. A neighbour (a window 3 meters away, in front of mine) saw it > and ask me to solve it. On the other side of the street?! R

An Asian speedcubing records list: http://rubiks.tw/timer/index.php?action=ranklist #1 is surely a fake record, but what about #2? #4 is for real (Gungz = Yu Jeong-Min) -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > An Asian speedcubing records list: > > http://rubiks.tw/timer/index.php?action=ranklist > > #1 is surely a fake record, but what about #2? > #4 is for real (Gungz = Yu Jeong-Min) > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > I'd say it's a fake. Or at least that crazy average, the others look rather normal. But who knows...

Nothing is real until it's done in a competition in front of other people. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Jul 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Johannes Laire wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> > wrote: > > > > An Asian speedcubing records list: > > > > http://rubiks.tw/timer/index.php?action=ranklist > > > > #1 is surely a fake record, but what about #2? > > #4 is for real (Gungz = Yu Jeong-Min) > > > > -- > > Ryan Heise > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > I'd say it's a fake. Or at least that crazy average, the others look > rather normal. But who knows... > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, zorin_r <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Whoho...programming contest :) > Who will be first whith a Befunge > or Brainf**k solution. > I prefer to write in Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook!

Never tried barinf*, never heard of ook. Have you guys ever seen a successful program in J though? That's got to be the craziest damn language I've ever seen! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, zorin_r <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Whoho...programming contest :) > > Who will be first whith a Befunge > > or Brainf**k solution. > > > > I prefer to write in Ook! > > Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook! >

I think J is some kind of special language for mathematical programming. And yes, it is totally crazy. If you want to find the 10001 st prime number, J can do it with this code: p: 10000 I don´t know how to write J. Some time ago i found this example and that is all J i can :) Maybe I should post the code for the same program in Ook! to :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > Never tried barinf*, never heard of ook. Have you guys ever seen a > successful program in J though? That's got to be the craziest damn > language I've ever seen! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." > <mmoberly@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, zorin_r <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Whoho...programming contest :) > > > Who will be first whith a Befunge > > > or Brainf**k solution. > > > > > > > I prefer to write in Ook! > > > > Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook! > > >

Brainf**k is a totally cool language, but since it has a total of 8 commands, it's hard to get the random values needed for this program. Ook is just a crazy version of brainf**k with the same commands but written differently. If anyone is interrested in different languages, check out this page with the song "99 bottles of beer on the wall" programmed in 966 different languages :) http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/ Terje -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] På vegne av zorin_r Sendt: 6. juli 2006 00:45 Til: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Emne: SV: [Speed cubing group] Re: program request : BLD practice tool I think J is some kind of special language for mathematical programming. And yes, it is totally crazy. If you want to find the 10001 st prime number, J can do it with this code: p: 10000 I don´t know how to write J. Some time ago i found this example and that is all J i can :) Maybe I should post the code for the same program in Ook! to :) --- In speedsolvingrubiksc <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> ube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > Never tried barinf*, never heard of ook. Have you guys ever seen a > successful program in J though? That's got to be the craziest damn > language I've ever seen! > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> ube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt M." > <mmoberly@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> ube@yahoogroups.com, zorin_r <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Whoho...programming contest :) > > > Who will be first whith a Befunge > > > or Brainf**k solution. > > > > > > > I prefer to write in Ook! > > > > Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Brainfuck is very cool for an obfuscated programming language. The countless derivitives are very fun, such as doublefuck and xastha. I created the latter myself :) If you wanna go crazy obscure, look at whitespace, dis or malborge. As far as I know, the most advanced program created in malborge so far was 'Hello World' and that was generated by a computer. ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Terje Kristensen" <terje.kristensen@...> wrote: > > Brainf**k is a totally cool language, but since it has a total of 8 > commands, it's hard to get the random values needed for this program. > > Ook is just a crazy version of brainf**k with the same commands but > written differently. > > If anyone is interrested in different languages, check out this page > with the song "99 bottles of beer on the wall" programmed in 966 > different languages :) > > http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/ > > Terje > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] På vegne av zorin_r > Sendt: 6. juli 2006 00:45 > Til: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Emne: SV: [Speed cubing group] Re: program request : BLD practice tool > > > > I think J is some kind of special language for mathematical > programming. And yes, it is totally crazy. If you want to find the > 10001 st prime number, J can do it with this code: > p: 10000 > > I don´t know how to write J. Some time ago i found this example and > that is all J i can :) > > Maybe I should post the code for the same program in Ook! to :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> ube@yahoogroups.com, > "Daniel Hayes" > <swedishlf@> wrote: > > > > Never tried barinf*, never heard of ook. Have you guys ever seen a > > successful program in J though? That's got to be the craziest damn > > language I've ever seen! > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> ube@yahoogroups.com, > "Matt M." > > <mmoberly@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubiksc > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> ube@yahoogroups.com, > zorin_r <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Whoho...programming contest :) > > > > Who will be first whith a Befunge > > > > or Brainf**k solution. > > > > > > > > > > I prefer to write in Ook! > > > > > > Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook! > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I think it's a little extreme to say that unless you do it in a competition it never actually happened, then you're blatently presuming that people are lying when they post their records. How about saying that official records are more respectable? I see people saying unofficial records don't mean anything and the don't matter any more, but surly you don't think everyone is making up their own personal records? Maybe one or two, but not too many to compare yourself to other people with. I've enjoyed being able to compare my times with other people online and dislike the fact that my times 'don't matter' because I've not been to an official competion. Wouldn't it be cool to have an unofficial 'video' world records? Then people wouldn't be lying (on the whole) and we'd see some fantastic things. I'm not looking for a replacement, just something to look into aswell. The idea I had was to have a community with users who post their videos and they get meta-moderated, kinda like slashdot, with ratings. If a video requires removal the community will meta-mod it down and the moderators will remove it. It'd be nice to have comments on the video's that people could write. Then you get a records list with proof to back it up that's approved by the majority of people. The good thing with ratings, is people who get rated high, get their own personal rating changed higher so they get credability. (For example, when posting a crazy record) Oh, and have videos in flash format, like youtube. That's always fun, gotta think web 2.0. What do you think? ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Nothing is real until it's done in a competition in front of other > people. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Jul 5, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Johannes Laire wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > An Asian speedcubing records list: > > > > > > http://rubiks.tw/timer/index.php?action=ranklist > > > > > > #1 is surely a fake record, but what about #2? > > > #4 is for real (Gungz = Yu Jeong-Min) > > > > > > -- > > > Ryan Heise > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > > > > I'd say it's a fake. Or at least that crazy average, the others look > > rather normal. But who knows... > > > > > > >